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Legend of Korra Thread: ITT: Post Anime That Are Better Than Legend of Korra.DoctorWhat posted:,,, go ooon Turn-A is goofy as hell, the Gundam even has a mustache!  And there is a mobile suit shaped like a ball with arms.  The whole conflict takes place between an advanced group of people from the moon who invade/try to resettle on an Earth with WW1-era technology. It's wacky good fun.
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People who dislike shonen filler are too weak for the battlefield
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Dec 22, 2014 05:18
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Korra is an important part of the large number of really excellent western television animations that are going on this decade. It is not the best of them, however.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:19
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In the long run I think Korra will be remembered for the last scenes more than anything. It has to start somewhere and it's good that it did.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:20
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thexerox123 posted:We're not exactly in a dearth of great western cartoons right now... they might not all be action, Are there any surviving ones in the same genre as Legend of Korra? Jimbot posted:In the long run I think Korra will be remembered for the last scenes more than anything. It has to start somewhere and it's good that it did. That's kind of depressing. I don't want it to just be remembered as "that one cartoon that ended with lesbians".
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Dec 22, 2014 05:21
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Bisexuals  And "That one cartoon that ended with a same-sex couple and the world didn't suddenly stop turning" is actually rather important.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:26
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The Sharmat posted:Are there any surviving ones in the same genre as Legend of Korra? Steven Universe tends to be pretty action-y. And the creator has indicated that Steven will probably age as the show continues. So he will likely change from magical pre-teen to magical teen, and it's looking like he'll be part of some larger battle that he's not entirely aware of yet. So... kind of the same genre as Korra, I'd say!
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Dec 22, 2014 05:27
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Even the good anime on that list isn't honestly as good as Korra for the most part. Also I did not see or notice Macross or Patlabor so list wrong to start. And Gundam Wing and Evangelion are not good any how. GW is a fun watch but it's honestly stupid as gently caress. Evangelion ends with a movie that is so full of loving poo poo NO WHATS WRONG WITH YOU SICK BASTARDS it's not even funny. The 2 rebuild movies in legit English have a couple issues already. (No I don't need to see 14 year old girls on their bed in underwear. Nobody does. Not even actual 14 year olds. ) Honestly shows like Korra I like BETTER than so called adult tv or movies. Not explicit in violence, language, and sexuality. They generally have to show some restraint and are better for it. And tend to be more mature. I mean did any of you watch ER or Friends? They may have been for an adult audience but the adult audience are clearly childish immature easily amused idiots. (But I deal at a casino and was in the Navy. Most people act as much like out of control high schoolers as they can get away with regardless of age and income. Old rich people are loving dreadful. Middle aged men are even worse. I swear I am a Goddamned alien sometimes..) Same reason I enjoy Doctor Who and that Hasbro cartoon with a terrible fan base. (Not Transformers which merely has normally terrible fans and not Kill It With Fire level bad.) Korra has more depth and heart than most 80s tv period which was about as banal and idiotic as you could get outside of a few bright spots or 70s reruns that had some balls. (And for cartoons most of the good poo poo was Japanese imports or coproductions with France usually.) But the mindset is cartoons are dumb things for kids. Adults gotta watch crime dramas with people getting shot gunned to the face and classes quip dude makes a comment over the gaping place where there used to be a face n poo poo. Not to mention HBO shows which seem to be trying too hard to be edgy and adult even if we were blessed with a topless Lizzie Caplan on that show with Rogue. I actually like good fantasy escapism, especially when it has a good emotional or ethical core to it. Fat Guy with hot but hateful wife sitcom ain't my idea of fantasy. Nightmare maybe. And no giant robots or stuff. ( And do we need to mention how shows like BSG and Heroes hosed up to various levels? No. It's honestly why I am glad Selfie only got a half season. No chance to gently caress it up or regurgitate itself endlessly. ) So yeah. Good shows are good. Cartoons can be better because restraint equals creativity instead of being like Andrew Dice Clay or a Eli Roth movie and thus being childish yet totally inappropriate to kids if not everyone. gently caress I wrote a lot. And I was gonna talk about how 70s Avatar could work and even a way to keep Korra and Asami around via Spirit World stuff but this wordpile rant was more important. Even if 90s Avatar would be lame because who wants a grunge Avatar. We barely survived Seattle sound, Spice Girls, and the Burger King Kids Club once. Let us never return to the dark times of Friends and Hootie's Blowfish.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:27
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... I can't even begin to get into that word salad.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:28
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Classtoise posted:Bisexuals Classtoise posted:And "That one cartoon that ended with a same-sex couple and the world didn't suddenly stop turning" is actually rather important.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:29
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The problem with any anime with action in it is that it invariably has the scene where a woman tries to play with the big boys and either gets quietly shoved to the side or blatantly shut down and needs the man to take over. Korra is awesome cause moms and women of all ages can bust out bad rear end martial arts moves as much as anyone.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:30
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The scene where Zaheer starts flying is the apex of the franchise to me, I think. But it wouldn't be memorable without six seasons of buildup.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:31
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The Sharmat posted:Yeah but that's not how people are going to remember it. Well, look at it this way. It's that or remember season 2.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:31
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Mazreal posted:The problem with any anime with action in it is that it invariably has the scene where a woman tries to play with the big boys and either gets quietly shoved to the side or blatantly shut down and needs the man to take over. Korra is awesome cause moms and women of all ages can bust out bad rear end martial arts moves as much as anyone. To be fair, this is part of why people recommend Fullmetal Alchemist. The author is a woman and the end result is that it probably has more badass women doing things than any given anime around it. (The actual manga adaptation. The first anime does exactly what you say.)
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Dec 22, 2014 05:32
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ImpAtom posted:To be fair, this is why people recommend Fullmetal Alchemist. The author is a woman and the end result is that it probably has more badass women doing things than any given anime around it. (The actual manga adaptation. The first anime does exactly what you say.) Yeah, I was about to post a gif of Major General Armstrong in response to that post. 
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Dec 22, 2014 05:32
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Bongo Bill posted:The scene where Zaheer starts flying is the apex of the franchise to me, I think. But it wouldn't be memorable without six seasons of buildup. Yeah those last four episodes of season 3 were basically Peak Avatar. I think Korra going nuts in Venom of the Red Lotus and just wrecking everything was my favorite action scene. Classtoise posted:Well, look at it this way. It doesn't have to be that way. We can find a balance between these two extremes.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:35
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The Sharmat posted:I think you overestimate how good Western Animation is and even the idea of western action cartoons' survival as a genre. Only "Western" shows I can think of that are pretty good Simpsons Aeon Flux Archer Batman TAS Batman Beyond The Boondocks The Critic Gargoyles Adventure Time Gravity Falls Justice League/Unlimited Clone Wars cartoon Morel Orel Pirates of Dark Water ExoSquad South Park Spiderman 90s series Venture Bros It pretty much breaks down into shows based on another popular IP, shows created to sell toys that actually beat the average and were good, and dark/mature/more "mature" stuff that gets aired in primetime/late night. Since Western cartoons are almost 100% targeted at the 7-13 crowd and geared up for toy sales and other accessories there was never much of a drive to make western cartoons appeal to an older audience. What happened with MLP is a insane exception to the rule and will unfortunately be how most people remember the American cartoon genre for years.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:35
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Steven Universe is the best American cartoon since the age of theatrical shorts.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:36
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pentyne posted:Spiderman 90s series As someone that watched this religiously as a little kid in the 90's, let me assure you it was a very bad show.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:39
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Dec 22, 2014 05:40
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ImpAtom posted:To be fair, this is part of why people recommend Fullmetal Alchemist. The author is a woman and the end result is that it probably has more badass women doing things than any given anime around it. (The actual manga adaptation. The first anime does exactly what you say.) No, the first anime still has their mentor and it has the antagonist be the most clever entity in the entire world. The whole "Lust falls for someone" plot is kind of contrived, though.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:41
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It's always hilarious when people whose only exposure to anime is clearly through second hand stories on the internet bloviate and hand wring about how Problematic it isMazreal posted:The problem with any anime with action in it is that it invariably has the scene where a woman tries to play with the big boys and either gets quietly shoved to the side or blatantly shut down and needs the man to take over. Korra is awesome cause moms and women of all ages can bust out bad rear end martial arts moves as much as anyone. The protagonist of Ghost in the Shell is literally a woman. See this is what I'm talking about. Also this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%8Ds%C5%8Dgiga icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Dec 22, 2014 |
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Dec 22, 2014 05:41
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The Sharmat posted:Are there any surviving ones in the same genre as Legend of Korra? The only ones that comes to mind are the Star Wars ones, The Clone Wars and Rebels. And The Clone Wars only survived as long as it did because Lucas was the one footing the bill, it could have never justified its budget on ratings alone. Rebels has a much lower budget. The Sharmat posted:That's kind of depressing. I don't want it to just be remembered as "that one cartoon that ended with lesbians". I don't think it will be that shallow a remembrance but it is a scene that will resonate a lot more strongly than it perhaps should, relative to everything else. Compared to TLA I don't think LOK just had as many equivalent memorable character scenes. Shorter seasons means a lot more focus has to be given to the narrative whereas the "filler" (by "filler" I just mean episodes that didn't directly advance the main plot) episodes of TLA allowed a lot more of those singular moments. Zuko Alone, Katara in The Southern Raiders, Iroh in Tales Of, whatever the episode was where Toph meets Iroh - all plots focused solely on a single character which then make later moments have even more impact. With less time, LOK generally has to build up to that "one moment" during the climax for everybody to have almost at once and that just won't ever be as effective. In any case, though it could have used more "filler" to build up to it rather than the not-so-subtle hints of seasons 3 and 4, Korra and Asami is an important one, especially at the end of a season filled with amazing women. Being the last thing you see just makes it seem even more important, being unexpected even more so. It's only natural, really.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:44
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Kibayasu posted:The only ones that comes to mind are the Star Wars ones, The Clone Wars and Rebels. And The Clone Wars only survived as long as it did because Lucas was the one footing the bill, it could have never justified its budget on ratings alone. Rebels has a much lower budget. Oh yeah, Rebels is action-y and good! I think my larger point was just that, western animation may not be anywhere near the state of the anime industry, but there is a lot of really, really good stuff right now, and if that continues, the networks might start to be more willing to take chances (like CN with Over the Garden Wall... not that that should be seen as taking a chance, because it was brilliant), and try things in genres like action.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:46
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A recent good Western Animation show was oddly enough Mystery Inc which is mind boggling since it's Scooby Doo, but it really did have a lot heart and talent behind it. Had a great voice cast, neat story, and oddly enough also kind of had Velma explore a relationship with another woman.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:49
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Mazreal posted:The problem with any anime with action in it is that it invariably has the scene where a woman tries to play with the big boys and either gets quietly shoved to the side or blatantly shut down and needs the man to take over. Korra is awesome cause moms and women of all ages can bust out bad rear end martial arts moves as much as anyone. The anime of Stone Ocean can't come soon enough. 
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Dec 22, 2014 05:51
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If you enjoyed Korra, FMA Brotherhood is probably the closest thing you're gonna get.
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Dec 22, 2014 05:54
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icantfindaname posted:
Hey.. not my fault some assclown in Games got butthurt and doesn't understand anything related to human interaction or what jokes are. (Most of us have the guy on ignore because he be cray cray.) I'm just too loving cheap to waste 5 bucks on a new avatar and figure out a way to appropriately attach Billy Joel lyrics to it like my last 3 avatars. I just don't know how to make a Soltic Roundfacer mech from Dougram (The Griffin from Battletech) fit to Mr Joel's sing-ey words. Or Yuko from the 16 bit Valis platformers. Though it does kind of let me know I angered some moron enough to make them waste a good 10 dollars for a low grade insult. Dude could have done so much better. That's some D grade burns. Bring your A game son! You sir or madam just don't know how to read.  icantfindaname posted:It's always hilarious when people whose only exposure to anime is clearly through second hand stories on the internet bloviate and hand wring about how Problematic it is Oh Ghost in the Shell, based on the manga with the lesbian cyberorgy scene? By the manga guy who mostly now does creepy oiled up porn sometimes involving anthros? Shirow's stuff has issues even when the adaptations try to fix the lovely parts out. Captain Rufus fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Dec 22, 2014 |
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Dec 22, 2014 05:54
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Mazreal posted:The problem with any anime with action in it is that it invariably has the scene where a woman tries to play with the big boys and either gets quietly shoved to the side or blatantly shut down and needs the man to take over. Korra is awesome cause moms and women of all ages can bust out bad rear end martial arts moves as much as anyone. You should go watch some Black Lagoon probably In fact everyone who likes western action movies should go watch Black Lagoon 
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Dec 22, 2014 06:05
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For no reason in particular I was reminded of these awesome re-edits of a couple pivotal scenes that bookend each other really well. They're sort of rough, but they show how great it could have been. Season 3 finale end Korra removes the last of the metal
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Dec 22, 2014 06:11
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TheKingofSprings posted:You should go watch some Black Lagoon probably I have been praising Black Lagoon for years and agree with the above statement. It's really one of the few animated shows (especially Anime in particular) that would actually make a pretty great live-action adaptation if done right.
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Dec 22, 2014 06:14
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Captain Rufus posted:Oh Ghost in the Shell, based on the manga with the lesbian cyberorgy scene? By the manga guy who mostly now does creepy oiled up porn sometimes involving anthros? The criticism was that female characters in any action anime need men to save them, though? A statement that's patently false? I'm not going to defend some dude drawing erotica but I'll stand by that a shocking proportion of people bitching about anime don't actually have any idea what they're talking about. You don't see that with other media. That's not even saying that anime doesn't have problems, because it definitely does, and I'm not even sure how much better it really is than these people think, but I still find it fascinating.
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Dec 22, 2014 06:25
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Gangringo posted:For no reason in particular I was reminded of these awesome re-edits of a couple pivotal scenes that bookend each other really well. They're sort of rough, but they show how great it could have been. This is really really amazing, and the editing just makes it seem so much more dire and unhappy. It goes from just being a scene of Korra upset that she's being gently put aside, to a harrowing one filled with grief and loss. It's perfect. 
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Dec 22, 2014 06:27
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Rock becomes kind of annoying when he starts to question the insanity and becomes whiny because criminals do bad things. When he embraced it, though, we got what happens in the gif. The manga is still going and I wish they'd adapt more of it into anime. But Korra will be remembered not because "of the lesbians" but because a strong woman with a character arc road into the sunset with someone she had feelings for. For the gay community that's a huge deal because the relationship wasn't stereotypical, it wasn't shoved down your throat, it was just something that happened over time and no attention was drawn to it, like it was some sort of political correctness checklist item. It was normal, which in some places that sees homosexuality as abnormal, that's a big step. Not to mention the floodgates that it opened for shows to have homosexual relationships be they between two men or two women. All fingers will point to this show. Or to the next show that does it but I guarantee they will cite this show as inspiration for that bold step.
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Dec 22, 2014 06:30
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icantfindaname posted:It's always hilarious when people whose only exposure to anime is clearly through second hand stories on the internet bloviate and hand wring about how Problematic it is Yeah I get irked by people who refuse to even try any anime based on that kind of reasoning when there's a lot of cool poo poo to be found, but you gotta admit it's pretty slim pickings to find a show with even half as many strong female characters as Korra. Most of the time if you do it's either something like Fairy Tail, where you've got these insane badasses like Erza and Mirajane but in return every single woman (including the two mentioned previously) is sexualized to the point of absurdity, or it's something like Sailor Moon where almost the entire cast are women so it's slightly less... I dunno, impactful? Is that the right word? Meanwhile Korra doesn't even really draw attention to the fact that at least half its cast of heroes are women because there's also plenty of guys doing cool stuff too. For as much criticism as Korra gets I think it's a massive step forward for a lot of things about western animation and I hope it doesn't just get left as a footnote because it had a tumultuous existence and some writing issues(both big and small).
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Dec 22, 2014 06:32
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TheKingofSprings posted:You should go watch some Black Lagoon probably Black Lagoon's the gun porn one isn't it? Something for everyone
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Dec 22, 2014 06:32
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Aces High posted:Black Lagoon's the gun porn one isn't it? Something for everyone Pretty much, that and Hellsing
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Dec 22, 2014 06:36
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drat I forgot how hosed up Korra was by the end there. And this makes it worse.
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Dec 22, 2014 06:41
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TheKingofSprings posted:Pretty much, that and Hellsing Black Lagoon was also great sans creepy Hansel and Gretel arc and the final arc which is just boring. I would also recommend Eureka 7 for anyone who likes a good "coming of age" hero's journey story.
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