Legend of Korra Book 4.44: This is (Not) Anime

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Irish Joe: Jul 23, 2007; by Lowtax

ImpAtom posted:

But yeah, the rest of it is either trolling or hilarious hilarious homophobia and either way it's not really worth stressing out about.

This is exactly the kind of ignorant, dismissive attitude I'm talking about. You are literally so childish that you think anyone who disagrees with you is a homophobe. Your parents failed horribly, because you are a very stupid, ignorant and mean spirited human being.

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thexerox123: Aug 17, 2007

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

Him, Ravane, and Toxxupation are a collection of idiots inexplicably tolerated by Deadpool who each mistakenly think that they're not as bad as the other two. Toxxupation hates me because I laughed him out of the Avatar thread over two years ago for thinking that The Beach was made to appeal to pedophiles, and Ravane hates me for thinking that it's kind of hosed up to say that the only reason anyone would be interested in seeing an LGBT relationship in a Nickelodeon show is if they were a disgusting pervert who jacked it to deviantart porn.
Irish Joe just says wrong things all the time because it's the only way he can get people to pay attention to him, and he occasionally does funny things with the gimmick.

To be fair, at least Toxx is much better at making threads than you are.

Irish Joe posted:

This is exactly the kind of ignorant, dismissive attitude I'm talking about. You are literally so childish that you think anyone who disagrees with you is a homophobe. Your parents failed horribly, because you are a very stupid, ignorant and mean spirited human being.

No, you do seem to be acting like a homophobe.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 01:58

Arist: Feb 13, 2012; _{who, me?}

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

Toxxupation hates me because I laughed him out of the Avatar thread over two years ago for thinking that The Beach was made to appeal to pedophiles,

Yeah, that's not why.

At least, that's not the reason.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 01:59

ImpAtom: May 24, 2007

Irish Joe posted:

This is exactly the kind of ignorant, dismissive attitude I'm talking about. You are literally so childish that you think anyone who disagrees with you is a homophobe. Your parents failed horribly, because you are a very stupid, ignorant and mean spirited human being.

You called people weirdos earlier in this thread for seeing the romantic relationship there. So either man up and stop getting upset that people are not being any more polite to you than you were to them or get a better gimmick.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 01:59

BrianWilly: Apr 24, 2007; There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand

Oh, Irish Joe? I've had him on block since he once told me no girls read comics or something. He's a pretty notorious troll.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:01

DoctorWhat: Nov 18, 2011; A little privacy, please?

Irish Joe will never stop behaving... like Irish Joe.

EDIT: From Bryan and Mike's tumblrs, JUST NOW:

Mike's Tumblr posted:

Korrasami Confirmed

Now that Korra and Asami�s final moment is out in the world, it seems like an appropriate time to express how I feel about it. I didn�t want to say anything right away so the audience could experience the finale for themselves.

The main themes of the Avatar universe have always revolved around equality, justice, acceptance, tolerance, and balancing differing worldviews. In subtle and maybe not so subtle ways, Avatar and Legend of Korra have dealt with difficult subjects such as genocide, child abuse, deaths of loved ones, and post traumatic stress. I took it as a complement when Joanna Robinson of Vanity Fair called the show subversive. There were times even I was surprised we were able to delve into the really tough stuff on a children�s TV network. While the episodes were never designed to �make a statement�, Bryan and I always strove to treat the more difficult subject matter with the respect and gravity it deserved.

And over the years we�ve heard from numerous fans, in person and online, how Avatar and Korra have influenced their lives for the better or helped them overcome a life struggle or setback. I am always humbled when people share their personal stories with us and I am grateful that my love for telling stories has been able to help people in some small way. So while Avatar and Korra were always meant to be entertaining and engaging tales, this universe and its characters also speak to the deeper humanity in all of us, regardless of age, gender, race, religion, culture, nationality, or sexual orientation.

Our intention with the last scene was to make it as clear as possible that yes, Korra and Asami have romantic feelings for each other. The moment where they enter the spirit portal symbolizes their evolution from being friends to being a couple. Many news outlets, bloggers, and fans picked up on this and didn�t find it ambiguous. For the most part, it seems like the point of the scene was understood and additional commentary wasn�t really needed from Bryan or me. But in case people were still questioning what happened in the last scene, I wanted to make a clear verbal statement to complement the show�s visual one. I get that not everyone will be happy with the way that the show ended. Rarely does a series finale of any show satisfy that show�s fans, so I�ve been pleasantly surprised with the positive articles and posts I�ve seen about Korra�s finale.

I�ve already read some heartwarming and incredible posts about how this moment means so much for the LGBT community. Once again, the incredible outpouring of support for the show humbles me. As Tenzin says, �Life is one big bumpy ride.� And if, by Korra and Asami being a couple, we are able to help smooth out that ride even a tiny bit for some people, I�m proud to do my part, however small it might be. Thanks for reading.

Bryan's Tumblr posted:

Korrasami is canon.

You can celebrate it, embrace it, accept it, get over it, or whatever you feel the need to do, but there is no denying it. That is the official story. We received some wonderful press in the wake of the series finale at the end of last week, and just about every piece I read got it right: Korra and Asami fell in love. Were they friends? Yes, and they still are, but they also grew to have romantic feelings for each other.

Was Korrasami �endgame,� meaning, did we plan it from the start of the series? No, but nothing other than Korra�s spiritual arc was. Asami was a duplicitous spy when Mike and I first conceived her character. Then we liked her too much so we reworked the story to keep her in the dark regarding her father�s villainous activities. Varrick and Zhu Li weren�t originally planned to end up as a couple either, but that�s where we took the story/where the story took us. That�s how writing works the vast majority of the time. You give these characters life and then they tell you what they want to do.

I have bragging rights as the first Korrasami shipper (I win!). As we wrote Book 1, before the audience had ever laid eyes on Korra and Asami, it was an idea I would kick around the writers� room. At first we didn�t give it much weight, not because we think same-sex relationships are a joke, but because we never assumed it was something we would ever get away with depicting on an animated show for a kids network in this day and age, or at least in 2010.

Makorra was only �endgame� as far as the end of Book 1. Once we got into Book 2 we knew we were going to have them break up, and we never planned on getting them back together. Sorry, friends. I like Mako too, and I am sure he will be just fine in the romance department. He grew up and learned about himself through his relationships with Asami and Korra, and he�s a better person for it, and he�ll be a better partner for whomever he ends up with.

Once Mako and Korra were through, we focused on developing Korra and Asami�s relationship. Originally, it was primarily intended to be a strong friendship. Frankly, we wanted to set most of the romance business aside for the last two seasons. Personally, at that point I didn�t want Korra to have to end up with someone at the end of series. We obviously did it in Avatar, but even that felt a bit forced to me. I�m usually rolling my eyes when that happens in virtually every action film, �Here we go again�� It was probably around that time that I came across this quote from Hayao Miyazaki:

�I�ve become skeptical of the unwritten rule that just because a boy and girl appear in the same feature, a romance must ensue. Rather, I want to portray a slightly different relationship, one where the two mutually inspire each other to live - if I�m able to, then perhaps I�ll be closer to portraying a true expression of love.�

I agree with him wholeheartedly, especially since the majority of the examples in media portray a female character that is little more than a trophy to be won by the male lead for his derring-do. So Mako and Korra break the typical pattern and end up respecting, admiring, and inspiring each other. That is a resolution I am proud of.

However, I think there needs to be a counterpart to Miyazaki�s sentiment: Just because two characters of the same sex appear in the same story, it should not preclude the possibility of a romance between them. No, not everyone is queer, but the other side of that coin is that not everyone is straight. The more Korra and Asami�s relationship progressed, the more the idea of a romance between them organically blossomed for us. However, we still operated under this notion, another �unwritten rule,� that we would not be allowed to depict that in our show. So we alluded to it throughout the second half of the series, working in the idea that their trajectory could be heading towards a romance.

But as we got close to finishing the finale, the thought struck me: How do I know we can�t openly depict that? No one ever explicitly said so. It was just another assumption based on a paradigm that marginalizes non-heterosexual people. If we want to see that paradigm evolve, we need to take a stand against it. And I didn�t want to look back in 20 years and think, �Man, we could have fought harder for that.� Mike and I talked it over and decided it was important to be unambiguous about the intended relationship.

We approached the network and while they were supportive there was a limit to how far we could go with it, as just about every article I read accurately deduced. It was originally written in the script over a year ago that Korra and Asami held hands as they walked into the spirit portal. We went back and forth on it in the storyboards, but later in the retake process I staged a revision where they turned towards each other, clasping both hands in a reverential manner, in a direct reference to Varrick and Zhu Li�s nuptial pose from a few minutes prior. We asked Jeremy Zuckerman to make the music tender and romantic, and he fulfilled the assignment with a sublime score. I think the entire last two-minute sequence with Korra and Asami turned out beautiful, and again, it is a resolution of which I am very proud. I love how their relationship arc took its time, through kindness and caring. If it seems out of the blue to you, I think a second viewing of the last two seasons would show that perhaps you were looking at it only through a hetero lens.

Was it a slam-dunk victory for queer representation? I think it falls short of that, but hopefully it is a somewhat significant inching forward. It has been encouraging how well the media and the bulk of the fans have embraced it. Sadly and unsurprisingly, there are also plenty of people who have lashed out with homophobic vitriol and nonsense. It has been my experience that by and large this kind of mindset is a result of a lack of exposure to people whose lives and struggles are different from one�s own, and due to a deficiency in empathy��the latter being a key theme in Book 4. (Despite what you might have heard, bisexual people are real!) I have held plenty
of stupid notions throughout my life that were planted there in any number of ways, or even grown out of my own ignorance and flawed personality. Yet through getting to know people from all walks of life, listening to the stories of their experiences, and employing some empathy to try to imagine what it might be like to walk in their shoes, I have been able to shed many hurtful mindsets. I still have a long way to go, and I still have a lot to learn. It is a humbling process and hard work, but nothing on the scale of what anyone who has been marginalized has experienced. It is a worthwhile, lifelong endeavor to try to understand where people are coming from.

There is the inevitable reaction, �Mike and Bryan just caved in to the fans.� Well, which fans? There were plenty of Makorra shippers out there, so if we had gone back on our decision and gotten those characters back together, would that have meant we caved in to those fans instead? Either direction we went, there would inevitably be a faction that was elated and another that was devastated. Trust me, I remember Kataang vs. Zutara. But one of those directions is going to be the one that feels right to us, and Mike and I have always made both Avatar and Korra for us, first and foremost. We are lucky that so many other people around the world connect with these series as well. Tahno playing trombone��now that was us caving in to the fans!

But this particular decision wasn�t only done for us. We did it for all our queer friends, family, and colleagues. It is long over due that our media (including children�s media) stops treating non-heterosexual people as nonexistent, or as something merely to be mocked. I�m only sorry it took us so long to have this kind of representation in one of our stories.

I�ll wrap this up with some incredible words that Mike and I received in a message from a former Korra crew member. He is a deeply religious person who devotes much of his time and energy not only to his faith, but also to helping young people. He and I may have starkly different belief systems, but it is heartwarming and encouraging that on this issue we are aligned in a positive, progressive direction:

�I�ve read enough reviews to get a sense of how it affected people. One very well-written article in Vanity Fair called it subversive (in a good way, of course)� I would say a better word might be �healing.� I think your finale was healing for a lot of people who feel outside or on the fringes, or that their love and their journey is somehow less real or valuable than someone else�s� That it�s somehow less valid. I know quite a few people in that position, who have a lifetime of that on their shoulders, and in one episode of television you both relieved and validated them. That�s healing in my book.�

Love,

Bryan

Source for Mike
Source for Bryan

DoctorWhat fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Dec 23, 2014

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TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

SpiderHyphenMan posted:

Him, Ravane, and Toxxupation are a collection of idiots inexplicably tolerated by Deadpool.

quote:

Toxxupation hates me

quote:

Ravane hates me

Mysterious indeed. :v:

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:01

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Irish Joe posted:

This is exactly the kind of ignorant, dismissive attitude I'm talking about. You are literally so childish that you think anyone who disagrees with you is a homophobe. Your parents failed horribly, because you are a very stupid, ignorant and mean spirited human being.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:02

LEGO Genetics: Oct 8, 2013; She growls as she storms the stadium
A villain mean and rough
And the cops all shake and quiver and quake
as she stabs them with her cuffs

I get it now. I know why Deadpool will kill this thread come New Years. It's all coming together.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:04

ImpAtom: May 24, 2007

LEGO Genetics posted:

I get it now. I know why Deadpool will kill this thread come New Years. It's all coming together.

It took you this long? :colbert:

Honestly, it isn't like there is anything else to discuss really.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:05

Irish Joe: Jul 23, 2007; by Lowtax

ImpAtom posted:

You called people weirdos earlier in this thread for seeing the romantic relationship there. So either man up and stop getting upset that people are not being any more polite to you than you were to them or get a better gimmick.

Once again, instead of learning anything, instead of listening, instead of being reasonable, you try to make your failures about other people. You truly are a child.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:05

SpiderHyphenMan: Apr 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

DoctorWhat posted:

Source for Mike
Source for Bryan

Yaaaay

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:05

LEGO Genetics: Oct 8, 2013; She growls as she storms the stadium
A villain mean and rough
And the cops all shake and quiver and quake
as she stabs them with her cuffs

ImpAtom posted:

It took you this long?

Honestly, it isn't like there is anything else to discuss really.

I was always under the impression we could bicker about lesbian overtones in a childrens cartoon show for a very long time

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:08

ImpAtom: May 24, 2007

Irish Joe posted:

Once again, instead of learning anything, instead of listening, instead of being reasonable, you try to make your failures about other people. You truly are a child.

The literal writers of the show posted:

If it seems out of the blue to you, I think a second viewing of the last two seasons would show that perhaps you were looking at it only through a hetero lens.

Those are pretty nice articles. It's also kinda nice to get confirmation that Asami was intended to originally be a spy since it seemed so obvious when she was first announced.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:13

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

ImpAtom posted:

Those are pretty nice articles. It's also kinda nice to get confirmation that Asami was intended to originally be a spy since it seemed so obvious when she was first announced.

I think the direction they went in with Asami was actually pretty neat and interesting, especially compared to just having her be the evil daddy's girl.

It's just a shame they did loving nothing with her character for 3 seasons after beyond being their Appa 70% of the time

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:15

DJPress: Sep 23, 2006; Lone Wolf and... Lemur?

Suspicious Cook posted:

If there's another Avatar series, does this mean the next Avatar is only going to have Korra as a guide? She never did get her connection to her past lives back.

Honestly, I think that's okay. This show wasn't about the status quo so much as it was making due with permanent ramifications. After the final season, I think that new earth bender Avatar will do just fine with only Korra's advice.

I kind of liked this aspect as well. I remember for AtLA we were concerned that the airbenders could just come back willy-nilly and that there were no "real" consequences to that loss. Ultimately, they came back, but only after a major major event and only after several seasons of it being painfully clear how there were no more airbenders.

I think wiping out serious consequences of events really cheapens them, even if we're excited (read: pissed off) that they are effectively retconned. Season 1 giving bending back to others; Korra getting all elements back; etc. come to mind. Losing the past connection is great and a way to start fresh.

If harmonic convergence is every 10,000 years, then it's good that we have that as a way to "reset" the past lives. Wan had no one. Korra no longer has anyone. If nothing else, perhaps if another series is ever done, it could be about Korra giving guidance to the new avatar about reconnecting with certain specific past avatars or something.

Frankly, I don't much care for the idea of an Avatar in the "modern" world, like NY or something. The universe is entirely different and develops on the premise that there are benders in that world. Obviously things would progress quite differently because having benders alters the landscape of invention. "Necessity is the mother of invention." Meaning if you don't need something because you had benders available, that kind of technology wouldn't be developed, or at least not the same as we live. Cars, or "Sato-mobiles," ships, and planes, are still a necessity because, with the exception of airbending, there weren't effective ways to travel even with bending. Same with radio communication and some of the other things we see.

Edit:

Eej posted:

Also the thing I'm going to miss most about Korra is the ending theme and I'm not sure why.

Because the erhu is a beautiful instrument and the sepia cityscape is perfect. :unsmith:

DJPress fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Dec 23, 2014

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:16

Classtoise: Feb 11, 2008; THINKS CON-AIR WAS A GOOD MOVIE

Irish Joe posted:

Once again, instead of learning anything, instead of listening, instead of being reasonable, you try to make your failures about other people. You truly are a child.

This is really kind of a lazy gimmick. I expected better of a "dedicated troll", man.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:18

DoctorWhat: Nov 18, 2011; A little privacy, please?

Man, I love every chance I get to slam-dunk on Irish Joe, I really do.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:19

BrianWilly: Apr 24, 2007; There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand

DoctorWhat posted:

EDIT: From Bryan and Mike's tumblrs, JUST NOW:

Source for Mike
Source for Bryan

hahahahhahha I've never seen a timelier announcement of Authorial Fiat. :haw:

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:19

420 Gank Mid: Dec 26, 2008; WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

Irish Joe posted:

Once again, instead of learning anything, instead of listening, instead of being reasonable, you try to make your failures about other people. You truly are a child.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg1RnAGncBQ&hd=1

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:23

readingatwork: Jan 8, 2009; Hello Fatty!; Fun Shoe

So I finally finished this show. Did the last three seconds blow up the internet as much as I think they may have? (EDIT: ^^^Oh poo poo it's cannon now-!)

Final thoughts:

- If spirit vines are this world's atomic energy, does this mean that half the cast is now going to die of spirit cancer?

- Kuvira turning on her fiance was so cold (and kind of out of character) that I actually started to suspect that she was the face-stealing demon trying to stir poo poo up. Am genuinely disappointed that this wasn't the case.

- How the gently caress did (any character really) survive that!?

- When did Kuvira start contracting out her henchman duties to Cobra?

- I wonder how the thread reacted to the giant robot powered by spiritual energy? Must go back and check later...

- I really want this to be the last episode of LOK. It's high time we passed the torch to a new protagonist so that we can get to see bending in modern times.

- ...Or even better, IN SPACE!

- ...We're not getting any more, are we?

readingatwork fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Dec 23, 2014

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:25

Torquemadras: Jun 3, 2013

DJPress posted:

Frankly, I don't much care for the idea of an Avatar in the "modern" world, like NY or something. The universe is entirely different and develops on the premise that there are benders in that world. Obviously things would progress quite differently because having benders alters the landscape of invention. "Necessity is the mother of invention." Meaning if you don't need something because you had benders available, that kind of technology wouldn't be developed, or at least not the same as we live. Cars, or "Sato-mobiles," ships, and planes, are still a necessity because, with the exception of airbending, there weren't effective ways to travel even with bending. Same with radio communication and some of the other things we see.

There's another saying that applies here... "War is the father of all things." And that certainly holds true in the Avatar world - just look at the crazy stuff Hiroshi invented for the Equalists, all the revolutionairy technology the Fire Nation introduced world-wide only during the course of the show, and all those fancy improved robosuits and spirit weapons by Kuvira (not to mention the Colossus). As long as there is conflict, people will evolve. And we all know what was going on when countries in the last century got inventive on an unprecedented scale, no?

Could be an interesting background (and ongoing problem) for the next Avatar...

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:27

thexerox123: Aug 17, 2007

readingatwork posted:

Did the last three seconds blow up the internet as much as I think they may have?

Just scroll up a bit to see some examples.

And no, we're not getting more, Korra is definitely over. They've known since like season 2 that it was only going to go til season 4.

thexerox123 fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Dec 23, 2014

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:27

Jesto: Dec 22, 2004; Balls.

quote:

Makorra was only �endgame� as far as the end of Book 1. Once we got into Book 2 we knew we were going to have them break up, and we never planned on getting them back together. Sorry, friends. I like Mako too, and I am sure he will be just fine in the romance department. He grew up and learned about himself through his relationships with Asami and Korra, and he�s a better person for it, and he�ll be a better partner for whomever he ends up with.

I'm pretty sure they only 'knew' they were going to have to have Mako and Korra break up when they realized how negatively everyone reacted to Mako. He wasn't well-written or likeable at all, there was a significant backlash from the community.

Going from " :love:

Twoo Wuv

" at the end of season 1 to a very abrupt breakup in season 2 was jarring from what I remember.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:28

SpiderHyphenMan: Apr 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

Jesto posted:

I'm pretty sure they only 'knew' they were going to have to have Mako and Korra break up when they realized how negatively everyone reacted to Mako. He wasn't well-written or likeable at all, there was a significant backlash from the community.

Going from " Twoo Wuv " at the end of season 1 to a very abrupt breakup in season 2 was jarring from what I remember.

Book Two was written well before the creators became aware of the reactions to Mako.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:31

Mymla: Aug 12, 2010

Korra threads on /co/ are hilarious to read right now.

readingatwork posted:

- How the gently caress did (any character really) survive that!?

It's an anime.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:31

Reene: Aug 26, 2005

I dunno, Korra and Mako at the end of season 2 didn't really feel like ~twoo love~ to me as much as a couple of dumb fickle teenagers.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:31

Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

Eej posted:

I take issue with the idea that Kuvira was well written. Her character arc is basically "charismatic leader" to "almost Hitler" (I understand how she had a literal Nazi railgun and concentration camps was just shorthand to emphasize her fascist nature) and then about 10 lines of exposition about sad orphaned past and redemption. It would've been far more effective for her to be worked into the Season 3 plot to show us her belief in gaining enough power to crush anything that could ever threaten her (ie by going through the same trials with team avatar against Zaheer and gang).

She does though? There's even a fight scene between Kuvira and Zahir.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:34

thexerox123: Aug 17, 2007

Rutibex posted:

She does though? There's even a fight scene between Kuvira and Zahir.

And in the midst of all of the Red Lotus stuff, she saves Korra's father's life.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:35

Reene: Aug 26, 2005

She still wasn't very well developed in season 3, to the point that the shot of her going "I'm Kuvira" when rescuing Korra's dad with the camera panning into her face was pretty jarring and a huge tipoff that she was next season's villain.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:36

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

I would've liked a conversation between Kuvira and Bataar Jr. during the wrap-up. That felt a little inconclusive.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:36

ApeHawk: Jun 6, 2010; All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

I would've liked a conversation between Kuvira and Bataar Jr. during the wrap-up. That felt a little inconclusive.

As did all of us, but stupid Nick and their budget/time constraints...

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:55

The Sharmat: Sep 5, 2011; by Lowtax

Pfff, haven't you guys heard of Death of the Author? This announcement means literally nothing. You're going to be hearing people say it's not canon for a long, long time.

readingatwork posted:

So I finally finished this show. Did the last three seconds blow up the internet as much as I think they may have? (EDIT: ^^^Oh poo poo it's cannon now-!)
Final thoughts:

- If spirit vines are this world's atomic energy, does this mean that half the cast is now going to die of spirit cancer?

Cold War Avatar would be kinda cool if it wasn't done in a 13 episode Nick show.

readingatwork posted:

- Kuvira turning on her fiance was so cold (and kind of out of character) that I actually started to suspect that she was the face-stealing demon trying to stir poo poo up. Am genuinely disappointed that this wasn't the case.

It was completely in character and it's one of the only times in the entire series she's in danger of losing her cool. She visibly struggles to compose herself after making herself do that.

And no she is not Koh. That's not a good idea.

readingatwork posted:

- How the gently caress did (any character really) survive that!?

It's Avatar. They don't kill off main (protagonist) characters.

readingatwork posted:

- When did Kuvira start contracting out her henchman duties to Cobra?

I actually found them remarkably competent throughout the series, for henchmen.

readingatwork posted:

- I really want this to be the last episode of LOK. It's high time we passed the torch to a new protagonist so that we can get to see bending in modern times.

- ...Or even better, IN SPACE!

- ...We're not getting any more, are we?

I still want a Cyberpunk Avatar myself but it's unlikely to ever happen.

Jesto posted:

I'm pretty sure they only 'knew' they were going to have to have Mako and Korra break up when they realized how negatively everyone reacted to Mako. He wasn't well-written or likeable at all, there was a significant backlash from the community.

Going from " Twoo Wuv " at the end of season 1 to a very abrupt breakup in season 2 was jarring from what I remember.

This may seem like bad writing (and it may even be bad writing)...but honestly, teenagers in relationships are pretty loving stupid and it fits. Especially Korra, who starts the series as that one hyper-isolated homeshooled kid (not saying all homeschooled kids are like this) that has no understanding of interpersonal relationships because she's only been exposed to Mom, Dad, and their very close circle of associates.

Mymla posted:

Korra threads on /co/ are hilarious to read right now.

We have a very different idea of hilarious.

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

I would've liked a conversation between Kuvira and Bataar Jr. during the wrap-up. That felt a little inconclusive.

I really wish these episodes were like 50 minutes long sometimes, because that would be cool. I'm not actually sure that at any point when we see her in the finale, that Kuvira is even aware Bataar Jr. is still alive. That increasingly desperate and angry expression that builds on her face as the Colossus gets torn down may well be her "Oh God I murdered my fiance for nothing" face.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:57

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

Mymla posted:

Korra threads on /co/ are hilarious to read right now.

It's an anime.

Korra threads on /co/ were always hilarious, but I was under the impression most people were either neutral or favorable to it from the threads I've read since it happened.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 02:59

The Sharmat: Sep 5, 2011; by Lowtax

It enrages an extremely vocal (but significant) minority that drowns out most other discussion.

So like any Korra thread on the board we do not speak of, really.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 03:02

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

The Sharmat posted:

It enrages an extremely vocal (but significant) minority that drowns out most other discussion.

So like any Korra thread on the board we do not speak of, really.

This is exactly what's happening here too so

# ? Dec 23, 2014 03:03

Mymla: Aug 12, 2010

TheKingofSprings posted:

Korra threads on /co/ were always hilarious, but I was under the impression most people were either neutral or favorable to it from the threads I've read since it happened.

They are. But there's a handful of people who post very very loudly.

The Sharmat posted:

Pfff, haven't you guys heard of Death of the Author? This announcement means literally nothing. You're going to be hearing people say it's not canon for a long, long time.

Yeah, death of the author is really stupid. It's up to the author to decide what goes on in their stories.
The announcement means quite a bit, actually. I mean, we still have people saying the world is flat even after the announcement that it's round several hundred years ago.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 03:06

The Sharmat: Sep 5, 2011; by Lowtax

TheKingofSprings posted:

This is exactly what's happening here too so

Does Irish Joe comprise a vocal minority all by himself? Or are you making a point about the people responding to him as well? Which is fair enough, they're as much responsible for the tone and content of the thread as he is.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 03:07

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

The Sharmat posted:

Does Irish Joe comprise a vocal minority all by himself? Or are you making a point about the people responding to him as well? Which is fair enough, they're as much responsible for the tone and content of the thread as he is.

The latter, Irish Joe is making abrasive posts and everyone else is posting in kind, so collectively they're doing an excellent job of showing why the thread should be gassed in a week

# ? Dec 23, 2014 03:09

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 04:10

Irish Joe: Jul 23, 2007; by Lowtax

Mymla posted:

Yeah, death of the author is really stupid. It's up to the author to decide what goes on in their stories.

At some point, though, isn't it the responsibility of the author to manifest their intent within the work if they want it to be read in particular way? The show's creators can toe the Korsami line all they want, but when the only time that intent shows up on screen is an ambiguous, two second shot at the end of the last episode, well.. they kinda forfeit the opportunity to dictate the message.

edit: basically, the relationship should have been developed within the show, not Twitter.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 03:12

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