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Irish Joe posted:At some point, though, isn't it the responsibility of the author to manifest their intent within the work if they want it to be read in particular way? The show's creators can toe the Korsami line all they want, but when the only time that actually shows up on screen is an ambiguous, two second shot at the end of the last episode, well.. they kinda forfeit the opportunity to dictate the message. They literally "manifested their intent" as far as they could within the limitations imposed by Nickelodeon.
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TheKingofSprings posted:The latter, Irish Joe is making abrasive posts and everyone else is posting in kind, so collectively they're doing an excellent job of showing why the thread should be gassed in a week Nobody is making particularly abrasive posts but him. If being sarcastic to someone who is either an obvious troll or a blatant homophobe is grounds for a thread to be shut down then we should probably be closing SA any day now. (Not that I'm arguing for the thread to remain open.)
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Dec 23, 2014 03:13
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DoctorWhat posted:They literally "manifested their intent" as far as they could within the limitations imposed by Nickelodeon. We have no evidence the network imposed any limitations on the tone or content of the material. To say otherwise is mere speculation serving no other purpose than to reinforce our preferred narrative.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:15
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Irish Joe posted:At some point, though, isn't it the responsibility of the author to manifest their intent within the work if they want it to be read in particular way? The show's creators can toe the Korsami line all they want, but when the only time that intent shows up on screen is an ambiguous, two second shot at the end of the last episode, well.. they kinda forfeit the opportunity to dictate the message. It's right there in the blog that they made it as explicit as Nickelodeon would allow. Edit: Oh I see you probably didn't actually read the posts.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:15
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Please do not respond to obviously disingenuous bullshit. If someone makes a point you disagree with that sounds reasonable and is logically stated, feel free to chat it up. Do not respond to poo poo that is clearly simple threadshitting. We only have a week left, and this is a mod-free zone. Do not loving waste energy on the collection of assholes that have shat on this thread with impunity.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:15
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Eej posted:This made me think of how Korra could've used a Tales of Ba Sing Se episode but I don't think I actually cared about most of the characters as much. I still think they should of done a episode following the day in the normal life of the Lieutenant. Have him drive to work to his low paying non-bender job but gets there late because Team Avatar in a chase tore up the road on the way to work in front of him, then deal with some bender bullies, point some nonbenders towards the equalist movement, then at the end have this plain clothed mustache man don his uniform. Then promptly get knocked off a building by Team Avatar, cue credits.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:16
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ImpAtom posted:Nobody is making particularly abrasive posts but him. If being sarcastic to someone who is either an obvious troll or a blatant homophobe is grounds for a thread to be shut down then we should probably be closing SA any day now. (Not that I'm arguing for the thread to remain open.) I'd like the thread to remain open. New people will gradually trickle in, surely? I mean the series has some huge word of mouth boost now what with the same sex romance in the ending and all the media attention that seems to have garnered. I want to see what people new to the series/franchise have to say and think. It would be a shame to just have the thread dragged out back and summarily executed Jan 1st because of this kind of thing.
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Irish Joe posted:At some point, though, isn't it the responsibility of the author to manifest their intent within the work if they want it to be read in particular way? The show's creators can toe the Korsami line all they want, but when the only time that intent shows up on screen is an ambiguous, two second shot at the end of the last episode, well.. they kinda forfeit the opportunity to dictate the message. It was developed within the show, you just stupidly disputed the fact every step of the way. Bryan Konietzko posted:If it seems out of the blue to you, I think a second viewing of the last two seasons would show that perhaps you were looking at it only through a hetero lens.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:17
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thexerox123 posted:It was developed within the show, you just stupidly disputed the fact every step of the way. Please do not waste energy responding to threadshitting.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:18
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Please do not waste energy responding to threadshitting. Oh hey look, someone thinks he's the Kuvira of the thread.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:20
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thexerox123 posted:Oh hey look, someone thinks he's the Kuvira of the thread.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:21
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Some should make a new thread in ADTRW next year.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:22
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thexerox123 posted:Oh hey look, someone thinks he's the Kuvira of the thread. SpiderHyphenMan posted:Does this mean Irish Joe was in my employ the entire time? It's amazing that after Season 2 a character becoming Hitler is preferable to a character becoming Unalaq.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:22
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Does this mean Irish Joe was in my employ the entire time? Irish Joe is Meelo. Just farting all over the thread and annoying people.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:23
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thexerox123 posted:It was developed within the show, you just stupidly disputed the fact every step of the way. It really wasn't, though. The show never bridged the gap between Assami the good friend and Assami the love interest. Any outward sign of affection presented earlier than the very last minute would have gone a long way towards setting the groundwork for the gay interpretation.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:23
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Torquemadras posted:There's another saying that applies here... "War is the father of all things." And that certainly holds true in the Avatar world - just look at the crazy stuff Hiroshi invented for the Equalists, all the revolutionairy technology the Fire Nation introduced world-wide only during the course of the show, and all those fancy improved robosuits and spirit weapons by Kuvira (not to mention the Colossus). As long as there is conflict, people will evolve. And we all know what was going on when countries in the last century got inventive on an unprecedented scale, no? This is true. And to that end, we can see that many war machines can be developed similarly, even if in a steampunkish, form (humming birds? really?) However, I'd like to think that, as a society, we have developed more since the industrial revolution than just making better kill machines. Things like bulldozers, electrical substations, irrigation machines, and the like seem to be less needed in the avatar world, or at least used in a different way. Think of hydro-electric power. We get that from damns. But in the avatar world, this could be accomplished from water benders or from firebenders shooting electricity into a conductor (as we see Mako do early in the series). Another aspect is world population. Much of our development is on fitting 6-7 billion people on this earth. So high rises and mass production of necessities will occur. I've always believed that the avatar universe had a much smaller population. Sure, Republic city was heavily populated, but probably not as high as NY or LA or the plethora of other cities around the world with even higher populations. Republic City seemed like it supported a population of 5 million or less--based on nothing other than me randomly estimating. A final aspect is the general unity of the nations, in that there are only four of them. While they might not agree on everything, it's much different that the massive collection of countries we have that all have their own motives. This is a somewhat long digression on a minor point, but to me, it's better than trying to argue that Korra and Asami aren't a couple--especially after Mike and Bryan's posts.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:24
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thexerox123 posted:Irish Joe is Meelo. Just farting all over the thread and annoying people. I'm gonna come right out and admit that I loved Meelo as long as he wasn't farting. His inexplicable artistic talent made me laugh even though it was dumb.
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Dec 23, 2014 03:24
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thexerox123 posted:Irish Joe is Meelo. Just farting all over the thread and annoying people. Nah, Meelo was occasionally entertaining and useful.
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qbert posted:Edit: Oh I see you probably didn't actually read the posts. The post said, literally, "the network was supportive."
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Irish Joe posted:It really wasn't, though. The show never bridged the gap between Assami the good friend and Assami the love interest. Any outward sign of affection presented earlier than the very last minute would have gone a long way towards setting the groundwork for the gay interpretation. When 90% of the thread got the hint early on, and you didn't, you might want to just admit that you were wrong. Irish Joe posted:The post said, literally, "the network was supportive." No it didn't, it said that they were supportive, up to a point. quote:We approached the network and while they were supportive there was a limit to how far we could go with it, as just about every article I read accurately deduced.
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Irish Joe posted:The post said, literally, "the network was supportive." quote:and while they were supportive there was a limit to how far we could go with it,
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DJPress posted:This is true. And to that end, we can see that many war machines can be developed similarly, even if in a steampunkish, form (humming birds? really?) However, I'd like to think that, as a society, we have developed more since the industrial revolution than just making better kill machines. Things like bulldozers, electrical substations, irrigation machines, and the like seem to be less needed in the avatar world, or at least used in a different way. Think of hydro-electric power. We get that from damns. But in the avatar world, this could be accomplished from water benders or from firebenders shooting electricity into a conductor (as we see Mako do early in the series).
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TheKingofSprings posted:The latter, Irish Joe is making abrasive posts and everyone else is posting in kind, so collectively they're doing an excellent job of showing why the thread should be gassed in a week I'm just throwing this out there, but maybe the moderators should try probating the people making GBS threads up threads for once in an attempt at fixing them instead of shrugging and clicking 'gas'. Since doing that in no end of threads I've watched over the years has accomplished nothing, the people just move on to a different thread and continue ruining discussions. Or is probating people under the instruction that if they return to the thread that got them probated they will be banned complicated or something? It certainly sounds better for good discussions on the forums. Jesto fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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The Sharmat posted:Even Spirit Energy can apparently be used to provide a tremendous amount of pollution free power despite also being useful for super weapons. So yeah. Why not spirit energy reactors? Well, provided you don't mind pissed-off spirits eating people on occasion. And what self-respecting megacorp would?
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The Sharmat posted:Even Spirit Energy can apparently be used to provide a tremendous amount of pollution free power despite also being useful for super weapons. So yeah. Why not spirit energy reactors? I presume because harvesting spirit vines pissed spirits off a whole loving lot.
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ImpAtom posted:I presume because harvesting spirit vines pissed spirits off a whole loving lot. Not enough for them to bother helping Korra to stop Kuvira and her spirit vine powered army. Or to intervene in any way.
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ImpAtom posted:I presume because harvesting spirit vines pissed spirits off a whole loving lot. I dunno, it pissed off the vines, but if the spirits cared so much, wouldn't they have been happy to fight Kuvira?
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Honestly, that one creator's tumblr post was kind of interesting in that it seemed to suggest that if they'd actually just come to the Network about it right away, they could have pushed to make it more explicit earlier. They were apparently just assuming through the duration of season 3 that it wouldn't be allowed, so they deliberately made Korra and Asami's scenes have more than one valid interpretation. That's not what I would have expected. For me it works anyway though. Korra's way too distracted in the last episode of Book 3 to have that on her mind, even if Asami does. At least that's how I read it. The Sharmat fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Jesto posted:I'm just throwing this out there, but maybe the moderators should try probating the people making GBS threads up threads for once in an attempt at fixing them instead of shrugging and clicking 'gas'.
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thexerox123 posted:When 90% of the thread got the hint early on, and you didn't, you might want to just admit that you were wrong. Can you point to a single instance before the finale where Korra expresses more than a friendly interest in Assami? quote:No it didn't, it said that they were supportive, up to a point. Supportive meaning they were on board with the whole gay thing, so why draw the point below where that message becomes explicit? Further, if its okay for them to hold hands in the finale, why wouldn't it be okay for them to do so early, or for Korra to otherwise express more than friendly feelings towards Assami at any point before the finale?
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I'm just gonna say it. If the spirits want to be in the human world they can contribute like everyone else, or they can get the gently caress out . 
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Irish Joe posted:Can you point to a single instance before the finale where Korra expresses more than a friendly interest in Assami? Writing letters only to her and none of her other friends or family? Irish Joe posted:Supportive meaning they were on board with the whole gay thing, so why draw the point below where that message becomes explicit? Further, if its okay for them to hold hands in the finale, why wouldn't it be okay for them to do so early, or for Korra to otherwise express more than friendly feelings towards Assami at any point before the finale? What do you think "there was a limit to how far we could go with it" meant, then?
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Irish Joe posted:Can you point to a single instance before the finale where Korra expresses more than a friendly interest in Assami? 
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thexerox123 posted:Writing letters only to her and none of her other friends or family?
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:When Irish Joe says something, he actually means the opposite. The man making the posts literally agrees with you, he just likes aggravating people. Stop fueling his idiot trollboner that the mods just loving love to see him stroke. Relax, dude. Nobody actually thinks he's posting in good faith.
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ImpAtom posted:Relax, dude. Nobody actually thinks he's posting in good faith. No kidding, I'm finding SHM's dictums on how to post far more annoying than Irish Joe, right now. SpiderHyphenMan, you're not a mod or the OP, please stop telling me how to post.
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Just realized Korra dated her entire Team Avatar. drat, girl.
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Insulting homophobes and insulting posters who pretend to be homophobes is roughly equally satisfying, so I don't see the problem.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Insulting homophobes and insulting posters who pretend to be homophobes is roughly equally satisfying
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MacBook Air Gamer posted:Just realized Korra dated her entire Team Avatar. drat, girl. Bolin may have considered what they were doing as a date, but Korra clearly didn't.
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