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We're going to be getting some more Avatar comics next year (yaaay,) and art books for Books 3 and 4 of Korra. And of course we have the Book 4 blu-ray to look forward to (Book 3 is already out!) But other than that, this franchise is done.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:We're going to be getting some more Avatar comics next year (yaaay,) and art books for Books 3 and 4 of Korra. And of course we have the Book 4 blu-ray to look forward to (Book 3 is already out!) But other than that, this franchise is done. Good. I'm glad they could go out with a highly ambiguous ending that left lots of room for discussion instead of a giving us hard closure.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:13
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I've been down on the show - and still am, awesome as the last episode was - and I almost hate the show more for how bad it was at emphasizing a really interesting element in Book 4. It's not as on-the-nose as Korrasami, but the narrative of an orphaned Kuvira being taken in by Suyin, but never de facto adopted, makdes her almost orphaned twice over. When Korra, the World's guardian, disappears, Kuvira tries to step in to take her role, trying to become something she never felt she had. And of course she fucks it up. And then there's Su's history of abdicating responsibility in the Earth Kingdom on top of that - which is something I'm sure upsets Kuvira once more, as Korra disappears and creates a similar vaccuum. Mommy issues all the way down. The weird quasi-relationship with Kuvira and Su is made even clearer in how Su forgives Bataar, Kuvira's loving partner in crime, at the end, but gives Kuvira the bad-woman treatment. It made Kuvira's interaction with Korra all the more emotional in retrospect. Instead, we just got the Strong Leader fascism stick that was even more on the nose than Korrasami. (It's also funny to consider how the biggest villain of the Avatar universe is probably to some extent the result of lovely parenting from quasi-grandmother Toph.) ufarn fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Dec 23, 2014 20:14
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ufarn posted:Mommy issues all the way down. Talked this over with some others who'd watched it and we came to a lot of similar notions, but I hadn't even really made the leap to consider how Toph could be indirectly linked to Kuvira, so that's a good point, haha. People in this thread seem really really hard on ATLA's 'filler', but I think the lack of filler is part of what hurts Korra so much. Everything seems like they never had enough time, and characters never have time to breathe. 'Filler' is a stage where characters do things and interact. Just because it isn't 'plot' doesn't mean it isn't doing anything in service to the narrative. LoK almost feels claustrophobic in comparison to ATLA. That said, I felt Korra's wandering in Book 4 was really drawn out and never really landed with me, and as hasty as the rest of the Book was, I wonder if that time couldn't have been spent wiser. The stuff in the swamp felt really redundant and not terribly revelatory, especially when you have the later encounter with Zaheer. Also, really voting in favor of whichever poster said they should never have brought up 're-education camps'. Kuvira could have been handled with a lot more subtlety.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:30
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The thing about the filler is that I just didn't find Korra's world all that interesting. There's both character building and world building filler, and with AtLA the characters were better written and the world was more novel, while with Korra the character stuff was Mako and Korra romance and the worldbuilding was Pro Bending, which I couldn't bring myself to give a poo poo about at all.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:34
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Just as there were shippers, there were people crossing their fingers that the writers wouldn't gently caress up Kuvira as a character. At least it worked out for Korrasami. But as said, if there's something worse than bad writing, it's a good story written badly, and they sure hosed up Kuvira, at a point where everyone hoped that she would go on to become one of the best villains in Avatar. Zelda Williams also deserves all the respect and praise in the world for her amazing voice acting, which - much in the tradition of Avatar - made the character.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:36
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icantfindaname posted:The thing about the filler is that I just didn't find Korra's world all that interesting. There's both character building and world building filler, and with AtLA the characters were better written and the world was more novel, while with Korra the character stuff was Mako and Korra romance and the worldbuilding was Pro Bending, which I couldn't bring myself to give a poo poo about at all.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:36
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I think filler stops being filler when it actually adds something to the plot and/or character development. Then it's not filler, it's just good story-telling. What you guys are asking for are more instances of good storytelling, not Korra & Co go to the ramen shop and have some laughs.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:37
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I like LoK even the earlier seasons that didn't really live up to its potential, but I felt season 4 ended just about as well as we could hope. 
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Dec 23, 2014 20:43
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Pro bending is seriously the dumbest thing and I have no idea how it made it to production. It's a bending fight, only with all the interesting parts of a bending fight taken out.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:50
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Endorph posted:Pro bending is seriously the dumbest thing and I have no idea how it made it to production. It's a bending fight, only with all the interesting parts of a bending fight taken out. It was very effective at setting up how the new Korra world was different from the old Avatar world, and introducing the characters.
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Dec 23, 2014 20:54
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Just imagine if Kuvira was on the Zaheer hunting team with Korra and they did the whole first part of the orphan story there (ie before she ditches Su) as just conversation with Korra. Over season 3 they find common ground over their desire to make the world a better place, Kuvira respects Korra for her power and vice versa for Kuvira's conviction. Then boom season 4 happens and we already know who Kuvira is and the "gone for 3 years line" has a lot more immediate impact.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:07
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TheKingofSprings posted:A remake of the original will happen 20 years from now. I loved all the call backs but my favorite one was of Aang at the sushi shop
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Dec 23, 2014 21:09
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Miss Nomer posted:I've got the perfect director in mind.... anyone but M. Night Shyamalan Zack Snyder's Avatar: The Legend of Korra
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Dec 23, 2014 21:16
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Michael Bay's Legend of Korra would be over-the-top as gently caress. Korra would be played by a white woman in God I hope we never get another live-action avatar korra movie (and we won't, thank God). There are just so many ways to gently caress up.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:17
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Miss Nomer posted:I've got the perfect director in mind.... anyone but M. Night Shyamalan Friedberg and Seltzer would be a great pick imo
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Dec 23, 2014 21:23
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nutranurse posted:Seriously, anyone who hasn't seen it should check it out. It's good, not good for an anime, just good.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:24
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Eej posted:Just imagine if Kuvira was on the Zaheer hunting team with Korra and they did the whole first part of the orphan story there (ie before she ditches Su) as just conversation with Korra. Over season 3 they find common ground over their desire to make the world a better place, Kuvira respects Korra for her power and vice versa for Kuvira's conviction. Then boom season 4 happens and we already know who Kuvira is and the "gone for 3 years line" has a lot more immediate impact.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:26
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pentyne posted:People in TVIV have it pretty good as far as mods go. The ADTRW forum knows to toe the line and not get too weird or bans start dropping left and right, and none of the other mods care enough to reverse them. I thought pedophiles liked getting treated like children.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:30
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JT Jag posted:Unalaq would have been a Red Lotus member as well, using his position in order to advance the motives of the group... But in reality he's a traitor, in it for personal power, not for liberation or freedom.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:30
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Jackard posted:Unalaq was Red Lotus... too bad it was a retcon.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:33
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That's... alright, but S1-3 Korra would still be aimless and reactionary.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:37
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The general premises of seasons one and two, that is how do people react to being ruled by people with magic powers in an increasingly technologically advanced world as well as what role do the spirits play in the world, are good ones, each developing and changing the world significantly. The execution of the premises might have varied in quality, but they aren't inherently flawed.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:44
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Actually I really didn't like Amon being a bender all along!!! since it sweeps the actual issues the non-benders had under the rug because they were being manipulated by an Evil Bender. Sure we got democracy and non-bender President Raiko out of it but it still seems really hollow cause the non-bender/bender divide is never brought up ever again. Season 2 is a little better about it actually,. even though it doesn't really resolve the spiritual divide between the progressive and conservative factions of the Water tribe and it villainizes the latter because it's controlled by Unalak. At least the world feels lasting consequences of Korra's solution to the lack of spirituality in the world by forcing the spirits to live with humans again.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:50
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Eej posted:Actually I really didn't like Amon being a bender all along!!! since it sweeps the actual issues the non-benders had under the rug because they were being manipulated by an Evil Bender. Sure we got democracy and non-bender President Raiko out of it but it still seems really hollow cause the non-bender/bender divide is never brought up ever again. Season 2 is a little better about it actually,. even though it doesn't really resolve the spiritual divide between the progressive and conservative factions of the Water tribe and it villainizes the latter because it's controlled by Unalak. At least the world feels lasting consequences of Korra's solution to the lack of spirituality in the world by forcing the spirits to live with humans again. That issue was always misunderstood by people and keeps pretending the abusive wealthy non-bender Hiroshi Sato is actually completely justified. Somehow people are so desperate to have the story they wanted in that they're willing to make up fanfiction which justifies a rich person's personal grudge that abuses poor and downtrodden people as a convenient scapegoat for their own excesses. Everyone does their best to ignore that it isn't a bender/non-bender divide, that is just the argument the equalists use. It's two groups of wealthy individuals using the poor as pawns in their games for power. There was inequality there but the bender issue was only a part of it. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Dec 23, 2014 21:52
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Nonbenders can just get freaky, crippling powers from spirit possession.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:54
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Speaking of non-benders did Asami even get to give anyone the shocker in Season 4. My friend once told me that Korra would've been better if they just merged Mako and Asami together into a jet packing, lightning gloving non-bender who has a tempestuous on and off relationship with Korra. I like that idea.
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Dec 23, 2014 22:07
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Eej posted:Speaking of non-benders did Asami even get to give anyone the shocker in Season 4. My friend once told me that Korra would've been better if they just merged Mako and Asami together into a jet packing, lightning gloving non-bender who has a tempestuous on and off relationship with Korra. Didn't she zap somebody in that episode where they were looking for Wu? I might be misremembering, though.
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Dec 23, 2014 22:12
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Eej posted:Speaking of non-benders did Asami even get to give anyone the shocker in Season 4. My friend once told me that Korra would've been better if they just merged Mako and Asami together into a jet packing, lightning gloving non-bender who has a tempestuous on and off relationship with Korra. Yes, she shocked a guy while they were fighting to protect Wu on the train.
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Dec 23, 2014 22:13
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My biggest regret is that Asami didn't shockglove more suckers.
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Dec 23, 2014 22:14
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Reene posted:My biggest regret is that Asami didn't shockglove more suckers.
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Dec 23, 2014 22:22
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Reene posted:My biggest regret is that Bolin didn't lava more things. it's the space sword all over again
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Dec 23, 2014 22:23
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JT Jag posted:I wish Asami invented a new gadget every year so the playing-field got more even every time she fights benders. Like, the shock-glove is a start, but she should have added rocket boots and a net-gun and other cool stuff and eventually she'd just single-handedly beat an entire group of benders in season four, like Avatar-World Batgirl Also I'd like to say again how this show needed longer episodes, which of course was never going to happen, but if you're going to tell a tightly serialized story, the hour-long format is indisputably the way to go. SpiderHyphenMan fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Dec 23, 2014 |
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Dec 23, 2014 22:27
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I was rewatching B4 today as a whole, and I was wondering what the consensus is on Korra's hair. I think it looks better shorter, and that Kuveria's hair is better when it's let down. Thoughts?
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Dec 23, 2014 22:28
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T-man posted:I was rewatching B4 today as a whole, and I was wondering what the consensus is on Korra's hair. I think it looks better shorter, and that Kuveria's hair is better when it's let down. Thoughts? Korra's best hair was end of season 2, but season 4's is probably the next best after.
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Dec 23, 2014 22:31
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I really wanted Asami to go full-tilt Batman and start packing grappling hooks and gas pellets in her usual arsenal.ImpAtom posted:That issue was always misunderstood by people and keeps pretending the abusive wealthy non-bender Hiroshi Sato is actually completely justified. Somehow people are so desperate to have the story they wanted in that they're willing to make up fanfiction which justifies a rich person's personal grudge that abuses poor and downtrodden people as a convenient scapegoat for their own excesses. The Equalists were never going to be "right," but the fact is that these wrong people's intense ideologies shouldn't have been resolved the way that it did. Their entire complaint was that benders oppress and manipulate the less powerful. How was revealing that they were being oppressed and manipulated by a bender all this time supposed to prove them wrong?
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Dec 23, 2014 22:32
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I liked Korra's s4 hair best. But I'm biased because I generally like non-straight girls with shorter hair.
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Dec 23, 2014 22:32
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BrianWilly posted:I really wanted Asami to go full-tilt Batman and start packing grappling hooks and gas pellets in her usual arsenal. Well you see, S1: Communism is bad. S2: Theocracy is bad. S3: Anarchism is bad. S4: Fascism is bad.
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Dec 23, 2014 22:35
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TheKingofSprings posted:Korra's best hair was end of season 2, but season 4's is probably the next best after.  but the former doesn't really make sense for a brawler
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Eej posted:Well you see, S1: Communism is bad. S2: Theocracy is bad. S3: Anarchism is bad. S4: Fascism is bad.
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