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VanSandman posted:Considering what other Avatars have done, Korra probably wouldn't have been out of line to go all glowy-eyed and wreck the Queen's poo poo when she threatened war upon the Avatar. Book 1 Korra would have done exactly that. Korra attempting to accommodate the Earth Queen at first was character growth. And some of the pre-Korra Avatars were pretty lovely. I mean Kyoshi did nothing until her own hometown was threatened. Then she responded by killing the dude and setting up a horrible secret police force.
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Ugh, that was the stupidest ending ever. Getting rid of a perfectly good monarchy to install a republic? How goddamn American. Korra and Asami starting a relationship was pretty cool, though.
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Dec 27, 2014 16:25
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The Sharmat posted:Book 1 Korra would have done exactly that. Korra attempting to accommodate the Earth Queen at first was character growth. Yeah, Kuruk basically did nothing but surf all day, and Roku spared Sozin even though he should at the very least have deposed him for taking the colonies in the Earth Kingdom. Kyoshi was just lucky in that unlike Korra, Kuruk, and Roku, she never really suffered personal consequences for her mistakes (that we know of), unless it's the regret she seems to feel over what the Dai Li had become. I mean, she meant well, but the caste system in Ba Sing Se was clearly showing signs of coming apart at the seams even then. Cases like that call into question the duties of the Avatar to the people and what right the Avatar has to make major changes to nations. Should Kyoshi have tried to improve the lives of those who lived in the lower rings of Ba Sing Se by overthrowing the monarchy? Should Aang have done so? Their avoidance of the real issue just landed the problem in Korra's lap instead, where it had snowballed into something much more than just trouble in Ba Sing Se like the kind that plagued Aang. The past-life contact during the ATLA finale emphasized that both action and inaction on the part of the Avatar can have terrible consequences, but all of the Avatars he spoke with urged him to act decisively because they had learned inaction was far worse than doing nothing or doing too little.
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Dec 27, 2014 16:32
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JohnnyCanuck posted:Getting rid of a perfectly good monarchy to install a republic? How goddamn American. Monarchy is inherently tyrannical. Deal with it. (Constitutional monarchy is ok, though.)
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Dec 27, 2014 16:40
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The Sharmat posted:Monarchy is inherently tyrannical. Deal with it. (Constitutional monarchy is ok, though.) As an American, I don't really get it. Isn't constitutional monarchy just giving one family a free ride just because?
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Dec 27, 2014 16:51
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Yeah it is, but it's less damaging to the nation as a whole because that one family mostly just gets to live in luxury instead of wrecking everything with misrule the second the noble inbreeding produces a dud.
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Dec 27, 2014 16:57
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hiddenriverninja posted:As an American, I don't really get it. Isn't constitutional monarchy just giving one family a free ride just because? It's loving government-subsidized celebrities. It's like if the government paid Kim Kardashian to be Kim Kardashian. Goddamn Europeans can make anything socialist. 
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Dec 27, 2014 16:58
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Can't wait for the next series where the Fire Nation and Northern Water Tribe, as the last bastions of monarchy, have to put down constant Jacobin rebel stacks.
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Dec 27, 2014 17:00
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hiddenriverninja posted:As an American, I don't really get it. Isn't constitutional monarchy just giving one family a free ride just because? It's still dumb though but they at least take some of the pure window-dressing and diplomatic tasks I guess, shame this gives our horrible gov more time to wreck healthcare and poo poo even more. 
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Dec 27, 2014 17:04
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I'm going to translate that mangled British English for those who didn't understand a word of the above: "Its easier to blame the monarchy for our problems than it is to do anything about them."
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Dec 27, 2014 17:08
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Dec 27, 2014 17:48
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hiddenriverninja posted:As an American, I don't really get it. Isn't constitutional monarchy just giving one family a free ride just because? In Australia we voted against getting rid of the monarchy in our last referendum, basically because there was a bit of confusion about what was the best way to change it -and to simplify a bit- basically we kept it because at the moment it works and we can just change it later when we figure out exactly we want to go about doing that. Also apparently we don't give the monarchy any money, although I do believe they get free room and board when they chose to visit -rarely- but as we often seem to give that to other foreign dignities as well not particularly fussed about that. (I voted to be a republic anyway, becasue seriously the idea of royalty pretty much goes against everything I believe in, and being a monarchy in 2014 is loving ridiculous, but whatever.) Zedd posted:As a person living in one: We are lucky that we had a decent enough stretch of them, and they do a lot of publicity and poo poo that doesn't take time away from our actual government. You guys still have the House of Lords though which honestly seems far more hosed up in so far as the running of the country goes. Seriousy talk to the french and see if you can get a revolution going or something, Hereditary peers just ain't right man. If I remember my french history the trick to starting a good revolution is getting very, very drunk first. Actually seem to recall a bit of drink was involved in kicking off the American revolution as well. dr_rat fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Dec 27, 2014 |
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Dec 27, 2014 18:06
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Man, if you guys are just figuring out Henry Rollins as Zaheer, I'm gonna blow your loving minds about Mako:
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Dec 27, 2014 18:06
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dr_rat posted:You guys still have the House of Lords though which honestly seems far more hosed up in so far as the running of the country goes. Seriousy talk to the french and see if you can get a revolution going or something, Hereditary peers just ain't right man. Honestly Ba Sing Se went full French Revolution in the interim probably. Toshimo posted:Man, if you guys are just figuring out Henry Rollins as Zaheer, I'm gonna blow your loving minds about Mako: Holy loving poo poo.
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Dec 27, 2014 18:18
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http://www.gospelherald.com/article...ans-respond.htm Thank you, Gospelherald.com. It took way too long, but it was worth the wait. quote:Janet Boynes, former lesbian and founder of Janet Boynes Ministries, warns that the gay community is attempting to indoctrinate young children by "normalizing" homosexual relations via television shows.
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Dec 27, 2014 18:48
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Ytlaya posted:Ugh this makes no sense, why is the entire city falling into chaos because the evil monarch was deposed? I could sort of see them making some point against anarchism if they destroyed the presumably democratically elected government in Republic City, but all they did was kill the queen and destroy the wall separating the poors from the upper classes. Is the point supposed to be that poor people are animals that cannot control themselves when not walled into ghettos? Well, look what happened when Saddam got kicked out of office - The museums were looted, sectarian violence blew up, and poo poo got pretty bad and anarchic pretty fast. And that was with an outside power promising democracy, as opposed to an agitator who was highly recommending anarchy.
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Dec 27, 2014 19:03
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Probably Magic posted:Well, look what happened when Saddam got kicked out of office - The museums were looted, sectarian violence blew up, and poo poo got pretty bad and anarchic pretty fast. And that was with an outside power promising democracy, as opposed to an agitator who was highly recommending anarchy. I don't think it's surprising that Earth Kingdom fell into chaos; it didn't have a foundation without the iron rule of the Queen, and once the literal walls were down between the rich and poor, the ball got rolling. Add to this the power vacuum her death left, which was something everyone would try to grab hold of.
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Mymla posted:http://www.gospelherald.com/article...ans-respond.htm The comments are unexpectedly great. It's mostly just a crowd of people saying that it was great that the creators were showing a positive same sex relationship, and one or two people with some half hearted arguments saying they didn't really agree with it. It was actually amazing polite for a story about homosexuality on the internet. Not familiar with Gospelhearld, does anyone know if its a more liberal, conservative or somewhere in between publication?
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Mymla posted:Janet Boynes, former lesbian and founder of Janet Boynes Ministries,
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Dec 27, 2014 19:17
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Korra is in her sophmore year of being the Avatar and is going to be a lesbian for the next 2-3 semesters
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Dec 27, 2014 19:51
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Monarchy is the hood ornament of government. A shiny thing with little to no function up front to distract from the fact that the tail pipe is billowing black smoke in the back.
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Dec 27, 2014 20:01
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Take it to laissez faire, kid
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Constitutional monarchism is unironically great, and it'd be in Wu's interest to continue as a symbolic figure, after free elections are instituted.
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Dec 27, 2014 20:26
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The Sharmat posted:Monarchy is inherently tyrannical. Deal with it. (Constitutional monarchy is ok, though.)
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Dec 27, 2014 20:27
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achillesforever6 posted:Which sucks because every once in a while you get a genuinely good king/emperor, but then the nepotism hits and they decide that making their half crazed son as the new heir to the throne is what's best for the empire/kingdom. Also inbreeding, royalty just loves inbreeding. Its quite possible Wu is like how he is for a reason. Don't marry your cousins kids!
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Dec 27, 2014 20:31
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Okay, let's just stop this now.
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Dec 27, 2014 20:42
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MrAristocrates posted:Okay, let's just stop this now. And this, is the problem with a dictatorship. What an interesting political discussion we're having!
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Dec 27, 2014 20:46
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MrAristocrates posted:Okay, let's just stop this now. Why? We're talking about a franchise that has featured 3 generations of monarchs who have each had some pretty big issues. The broader context of monarchism seems like a relevant topic.
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I really don't care for dumb political analysis of children's cartoons, mostly, but in retrospect who gives a poo poo, do whatever you want. e: yeah, I was just being overzealous Arist fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Dec 27, 2014 |
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Dec 27, 2014 20:52
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MrAristocrates posted:I really don't care for dumb political analysis of children's cartoons I hate to break it to you, but Korra is kind of a political show.... when those children's cartoons feature multiple named, recurring politician characters, or have entire seasons based around political/ideological struggles.... it's going to come up.
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thexerox123 posted:I hate to break it to you, but Korra is kind of a political show.... not many other children's cartoons feature multiple named, recurring politician characters. Yeah, I'm just having war flashbacks to the AT thread, my bad
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Edit: I'm slow.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Edit: I'm slow. Finally, a post the whole thread can get behind.
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Serella posted:Kyoshi was just lucky in that unlike Korra, Kuruk, and Roku, she never really suffered personal consequences for her mistakes (that we know of), unless it's the regret she seems to feel over what the Dai Li had become. I mean, she meant well, but the caste system in Ba Sing Se was clearly showing signs of coming apart at the seams even then. Wait, where was it established that Kyoshi created the Dai Li? Is that from the comics?
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There was a flash game called Escape from the Spirit World. Aang did some stuff while in limbo. http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Escape_from_the_Spirit_World
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PhazonLink posted:There was a flash game called Escape from the Spirit World. Aang did some stuff while in limbo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tORslUY699o
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Last night I had a drunken dream and basically I imagined the next Avatar series where the newest Avatar attempts to reconnect with his past lives by using time travel but something goes wrong and he finds himself leaping into each one of his past lives while attempting to get home. No, I don't know how I managed to crossover Avatar and Quantum Leap, but I want to see it done. ufarn posted:Never heard about that, but here's a full video of it: Just needed to confirm Koh is still a dick.
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Dec 27, 2014 23:56
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We were discussing censorship earlier, and interesting note from the Book 3 Blu-Ray commentary: they weren't allowed to put Aang in X-shaped chains in The Blue Spirit when he got captured by Zhao, but they were allowed to do it to Korra after Bryan saw an episode of Spongebob where he got chained up like that and Bryan complained (the same strategy worked for getting Nick to let them show Bolin drunk off noodles in Book 1.)
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Dec 28, 2014 01:01
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But they already had Sokka tripping on cactus juice? And then Aang's sleep deprivation stuff.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:We were discussing censorship earlier, and interesting note from the Book 3 Blu-Ray commentary: they weren't allowed to put Aang in X-shaped chains in The Blue Spirit when he got captured by Zhao, but they were allowed to do it to Korra after Bryan saw an episode of Spongebob where he got chained up like that and Bryan complained (the same strategy worked for getting Nick to let them show Bolin drunk off noodles in Book 1.) Haha, that's hilarious. Spongebob has probably done so much over the years that they could theoretically use it to justify a lot of things.
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