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Fojar38 posted:I'm sorry that you're not a very good sniper. No, I hear you. I've seen multiple sentries on the first point of barnblitz cleared by an ubered sniper before. wait no I haven't
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Zero! posted:It's less saying that the short circuit is an overpowered weapon and more saying that it's an incredibly unfun thing to play against. It's like if you gave sniper rifles random crits, it wouldn't make them overpowered but would you want to play against that? Yeah this is the crux of it. The SC is just a huge pain in the rear end. It's a hard counter to the engie's only actual weakness. Yes, it has longevity issues, and yes, it isn't that great, and yes, the wrangler or pistol is probably better in most situations. But in the situation where you want the SC, it will keep your sentry up in whatever awful spot its in no matter what is coming your way. Sentries need to die for games to move on and continue being dynamic. Sentries exploding regularly is an important part of play. Giving the engie more tools to protect their sentries is poor game balance and they do not need it. Sentries that are significantly harder to kill end up stalling out the game significantly longer and prevent anyone else from playing anything fun. Before the SC, sentries still sucked because it meant playing scout or pyro was meaningless and you could do absolutely nothing against a sentry in a good spot, and half the time Heavy and Sniper can do nothing about it either. With the SC, that list includes the Soldier and Demo too, and why the hell is that good for the game if Blue team cannot play 2/3rds of the classes in the game at all, just because there's 3 Red Engies blocking half of Barn Blitz/Badwater/any given point in A/D? Also, the SC is annoying because it encourages more people to go Spy to take out a nest. Everyone complaining about too many spies on a team, poo poo like Engineers is why that happens. Every time a demoman gets every shot of his obliterated by the SC before the sentry kills him, the player will turn to her character select screen and despair, because what other option does she have? What can you even do? Spy is the only other sentry buster option if soldier and demo don't work, and spy has serious troubles if anyone is babysitting the nest that is otherwise single-handedly winning their team the game. xzzy posted:Lot of people in here acting like every single server is filled with engineers using the short circuit. Thank god this isn't the case. It's great that the SC is used less often now than it did right after all its buffs, but it is still used far too often. And again, the engie doesn't even need to destroy every shot coming his way. He just needs to destroy enough of them that his team or his sentry can kill whatever was firing those shots at you, which with a full level 3 sentry, is less than 3 seconds against anything at any range it can fire. And that seriously sucks to play against. It's really awful and unfun.
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short circuit killed tf2. check the timing. QED. e: give soldier a secondary that disables all engineer buildings when its fired at them. like a lightning gun. does no damage just stops them working. its TEAM fortress, noob, engineer can use pistol to distract attention while heavy kills the soldier. checkmate. awesmoe fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Dec 27, 2014 |
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Dec 27, 2014 22:18
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Disgusting Coward posted:The inclusion of stupid animation taunt thingies was balanced by the inclusion of votekicking and the nature of pubbies meaning they'll vote yes on anything. There was some rear end in a top hat with a "U salty bro?" bind that he started spamming, I initiated a votekick and he went on the mic to say "Do it, do it, do it motherfuckers, vote yes." I really don't get that kind of machismo, like, are you going to come to my house and beat me up if you find out that I voted to kick you? The vote passed, btw.
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Dec 27, 2014 22:44
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Just make the Short Circuit, get this, short-circuit nearby friendly sentries for a few seconds. 
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Dec 27, 2014 23:31
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It's good that people are still complaining about the short circuit, it's yet another bullshit weapon that has continued to exist for way too long. On a different note, I saw an engie using the rescue ranger effectively. There's a nice example of how to make a situational weapon that can gently caress over soldiers (not so much an obstacle for demos) but remains balanced and fun to play against in those cases. The engie can repair his sentry safely without exposing himself or getting splashed, but he can't remotely out-repair sustained damage if an enemy soldier is able to corner uncontested for several seconds. He can save his sentry with the remote grab, but takes minicrits when he does so a soldier can fly in and finish him off with 1 rocket. It's far from a hard counter, it just makes taking down the sentry tricky in interesting ways. Also using the rescue ranger remotely leaves the engie and his sentry very vulnerable to spies, who tend to be sloshing about in uniformly large ratios.
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Dec 27, 2014 23:46
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Vanadium posted:Just make the Short Circuit, get this, short-circuit nearby friendly sentries for a few seconds. This would make it so you could grief friendly engineers by short circuiting their sentries all the drat time. So I guess it should be added to the game immediately because gently caress engineers.
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Dec 27, 2014 23:47
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xzzy posted:Lot of people in here acting like every single server is filled with engineers using the short circuit. So it's ok to have a ridiculous weapon as long as no-one abuses it on an honesty system?
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Dec 28, 2014 00:03
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Uncle Enzo posted:No, I hear you. I've seen multiple sentries on the first point of barnblitz cleared by an ubered sniper before. A sniper is better than a soldier at taking out sentries if he can outrange it. Demo is best obviously but it is not at all hard to snipe the engineer and then take out the gun if you can hit it from outside of its range. Soldier is better for tight spaces because he can hit it from around corners and kill the engie with splash but being able to kill the engineer in one shot and then the sentry in 3 is pretty effective.
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Dec 28, 2014 00:16
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cock hero flux posted:A sniper is better than a soldier at taking out sentries if he can outrange it. Demo is best obviously but it is not at all hard to snipe the engineer and then take out the gun if you can hit it from outside of its range. Nope. If a sniper can get LoS on a sentry from outside sentry range so can a soldier, and it's a lot easier to just fire your whole direct hit clip at it and watch it die because the engineer doesn't have much of a hope of repairing it fast enough.
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Dec 28, 2014 00:32
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Slime posted:Nope. If a sniper can get LoS on a sentry from outside sentry range so can a soldier, and it's a lot easier to just fire your whole direct hit clip at it and watch it die because the engineer doesn't have much of a hope of repairing it fast enough. The context here was assuming that the engineer has the Short Circuit and is using it to block projectiles.
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cock hero flux posted:A sniper is better than a soldier at taking out sentries if he can outrange it. Demo is best obviously but it is not at all hard to snipe the engineer and then take out the gun if you can hit it from outside of its range. Any situation where you can snipe and Engineer is one where you could probably splatter him with rockets too, and take out his dispenser without even trying. Plus, buildings don't take damage drop-off, so rockets will do 90 damage a pop no matter what the distance, and they fire almost twice as fast as a rifle. 270 damage in 1.6 seconds beats 250 damage over 6 seconds (a level 3 sentry has 218 HP). I mean, there are times where a Sniper is ADEQUATE for sentry busting, but they're still not BETTER than a Soldier (unless it's Huntsman vs minis). Hell, if there's LoS to a sentry that's outside of its range, even a Scout can take it out with a pistol in 15 bullets. Edit: oh right it's Short Circuit chat. Seriously, I want to get a bunch of people together tonight and pit any Blu composition against 6 Short Circuit Engies, 2-3 Pyros, and whatever the hell else and see how much progress they can make (spoiler: it will loving suck for everybody, jesus christ that weapon is obnoxious). Stop theorycrafting and actually test this poo poo out, it's possible! Abyssal Squid fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Dec 28, 2014 |
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Slime posted:Nope. If a sniper can get LoS on a sentry from outside sentry range so can a soldier, and it's a lot easier to just fire your whole direct hit clip at it and watch it die because the engineer doesn't have much of a hope of repairing it fast enough. If you are using a specific loadout to go and bust sentries at long range and the engineer is not using the wrangler or short circuit then yes, you are more effective in this one situation.
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Abyssal Squid posted:Any situation where you can snipe and Engineer is one where you could probably splatter him with rockets too, and take out his dispenser without even trying. Plus, buildings don't take damage drop-off, so rockets will do 90 damage a pop no matter what the distance, and they fire almost twice as fast as a rifle. 270 damage in 1.6 seconds beats 250 damage over 6 seconds (a level 3 sentry has 218 HP). You can't kill him with rockets, because they do take damage falloff against the engineer and do gently caress-all to him at long range, and he's probably being healed constantly by a dispenser. It's more difficult to take out the sentry because the engineer is planted there whacking at it constantly, wrangling it to shoot at you or short circuiting your rockets. If you have the DH you can hit it faster than the Engineer can fix it but otherwise the best ways to take it out are to kill the engineer(leaving it helpless) or be a demoman and sticky the poo poo out of it. It's much easier to kill the engineer at long range as a sniper, and once the engineer is dead it doesn't matter that it takes you a few extra seconds to destroy the gun.
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All this talk has somehow gotten me interested in busting pub defenses, I feel like I should blame someone for actively seeking out valve dustbowl servers. If I find a nest with short circuit I'll make sure to report the outcome. Edit - Dustbowl report: I joined on stage 2 and the first time I found a rest nest I direct hitted it to death first try, red is on the back foot afterwards and eventually sucumbs. Stage 3 point 1 completely rolled by a heavy uber that also has a direct hit soldier and demo man to join in. Red puts up some resistance in the final point, mostly in the form of a pub star loch and load demo, but basically after a few minutes of constant pressure the blu combat classes + medic mob over runs the last point. There were red engies making nests, but I personally blew up about 3 or 4 over the two stages and it wasn't hard at all. I didn't see them use a short circuit, or really reaction from the engies at all. I guess we'll need an mge server to sort this out 
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cock hero flux posted:You can't kill him with rockets, because they do take damage falloff against the engineer and do gently caress-all to him at long range, and he's probably being healed constantly by a dispenser. If he's being healed by a dispenser then you shoot him and destroy the dispenser with the splash damage. Also, you're doing like 45 damage per rocket, which is enough to kill an Engineer in 3 shots, definitely in 8. If the sentry's wrangled, then the same problems apply for Snipers as they do for Soldiers though granted I'm terrible at Sniper and can't get headshots, so I guess if you're good enough to get a snap headshot before the Engineer notices you then it's a much smaller problem. Still, if there's LoS to a sentry from outside of its range, it's a dead sentry the second the Engineer dies, regardless of what class is shooting at it. A loving SPY could take out a level 3 with a single revolver clip from out of range.
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Abyssal Squid posted:If he's being healed by a dispenser then you shoot him and destroy the dispenser with the splash damage. Also, you're doing like 45 damage per rocket, which is enough to kill an Engineer in 3 shots, definitely in 8. If the sentry's wrangled, then the same problems apply for Snipers as they do for Soldiers though granted I'm terrible at Sniper and can't get headshots, so I guess if you're good enough to get a snap headshot before the Engineer notices you then it's a much smaller problem.
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Which would be more effective, anyway - a sentry that's being wrangled with a support engineer refilling, or a sentry that's being Short Circuit-protected with a support engineer refilling?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPexIWhB_50
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That was a pretty clever way to make the engie emote.
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It works in-game, too!
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CJacobs posted:Personally I'm a fan of team scramble votes because they require more than half of the people playing to vote yes to pass, meaning that some of the people on the steamrolling team have to realize that it is not fun to steamroll the losing team over and over and vote yes on it, which happens precisely never. I like when I'm on the winning team with two friends, we all try to scramble, and it still fails.
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I want that heavy suit
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Apparently you have to wait two weeks before you can sell an item you applied a strangifier to. ... What? Did I miss a memo? What's the logic here?
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Xander77 posted:Apparently you have to wait two weeks before you can sell an item you applied a strangifier to. Russians scamming people which means that valve have to gently caress everyone over, basically.
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pisshead posted:A lot of the time, they don't play the game at all. xzzy posted:Lot of people in here acting like every single server is filled with engineers using the short circuit. LazyMaybe fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Dec 28, 2014 |
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Dec 28, 2014 23:06
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Can you use a strangifier on the new festive weapons?
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Does anybody remember the Golden Wrenches? How if you crafted items at the right time, you would get one? And somebody somehow hacked the very first Golden Wrench, and was VAC banned for it?
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Golem II posted:Can you use a strangifier on the new festive weapons? Strangifiers for the standard versions don't exist so no.
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Theta Zero posted:Does anybody remember the Golden Wrenches? How if you crafted items at the right time, you would get one? And somebody somehow hacked the very first Golden Wrench, and was VAC banned for it? The wrenches drop on an easily determined schedule, Drunken Fool (the guy who made the item idler + tf2items.com) figured it out and told some people who were able to craft exactly when they needed to
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Theta Zero posted:Does anybody remember the Golden Wrenches? How if you crafted items at the right time, you would get one? And somebody somehow hacked the very first Golden Wrench, and was VAC banned for it? That was DrunkenF00l who Valve hired after the fact, actually.
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Oh no. I think you're confused thinking that I'm confused. I already knew about that, but if nobody knows about what I'm talking about then forget about it.
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Theta Zero posted:Oh no. I think you're confused thinking that I'm confused. I already knew about that, but if nobody knows about what I'm talking about then forget about it. e: i bet you main sc engie
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awesmoe posted:WOW THIS IS AMAZING PLEASE TELL US MORE Nope, the pistol does way too much damage from way too far away to give that up. I'm not completely on the moral high ground, though. I use minisentries.
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The game isn't dead for people who don't care about competitive.
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Dec 29, 2014 00:07
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EDIT gently caress beaten 
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Dec 29, 2014 00:42
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How are the Demoman weapon changes panning out in-game? I haven't had a chance to play since the update. I hear the new weapons are a little underwhelming.
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awesmoe posted:WOW THIS IS AMAZING PLEASE TELL US MORE I do
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do you also attention-whore like a 12 year old girl with a secret?
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Frankly posted:How are the Demoman weapon changes panning out in-game? I haven't had a chance to play since the update. I hear the new weapons are a little underwhelming. It sucks that they nerfed the charge. Although Im enjoying having an extra shell in the LnL. I heard the new weps arent worth it. BTW I rarely see people using the SC, and I only play on Valve servers. It can be a pain to play against. I hate snipers too, but I dont expect them to be removed from the game.
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