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GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?
Wrong thread

GutBomb fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Dec 28, 2014

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amenenema
Feb 10, 2003

GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:

This might be a massive case of confirmation bias but over the last few years I started to hear far fewer stories about people getting severely injured in car accidents and more about people just dying, meaning that you're either going to make it out of a wreck ok or it's going to be bad enough to kill you outright no matter what safety features are in there.

I guess this is ideal? No lifetime of recovery/disability...

TRANS AM 20000
Apr 17, 2010


Time to punch it!


GnarlyCharlie4u
Sep 23, 2007

I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof

what the? how did that even?
What happened?

red bull gives you wings

corn in the fridge
Jan 15, 2012

by Shine

Slavvy posted:

Nah. Seems like a waste of both a car and an engine.

I imagine that DB7 originally had the i6 in it in which case pretty much anything would be an improvement

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

InitialDave posted:

The BMW i3 has a carbon monocoque, is significantly lighter than it would otherwise be as a result, while still having a good score for occupant safety, and coming out at a relatively "normal" pricepoint.

Maybe not shopping-trolley hatchbacks, but you're definitely going to see sporty things in the "specialist but still mainstream" field like S2000s made from carbon.

Speaking of S2000s. It snowed this morning :) Someone thought driving their S2000 to work was a good idea. It was sitting on the shoulder pointed the wrong way when I went past it :)

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
"My foot is my ABS, and my finger is my safety."

Don't deny it, you all know this person.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

veedubfreak posted:

Speaking of S2000s. It snowed this morning :) Someone thought driving their S2000 to work was a good idea. It was sitting on the shoulder pointed the wrong way when I went past it :)

Every time I see a Miata in the snow, the driver has a huge grin on their face. Makes me want to get one as a winter beater.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006

Is that a challenge?

Uthor posted:

Every time I see a Miata in the snow, the driver has a huge grin on their face. Makes me want to get one as a winter beater.

A Miata with proper snow tyres is pretty much unstoppable in any sane amount of snow, and is exactly as fun as it sounds. :D

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.

Git Mah Belt Son posted:

Hah, being a Worcester resident myself...Choice Auto can go eat it. I went there once to look at a BMW they had...never, ever again.
Should have taken it through Kelley Square... and directly to the junkyards on Granite Street.

(sup worcesterites! :respek:)

Geirskogul posted:

"My foot is my ABS, and my finger is my safety."

Don't deny it, you all know this person.

Also, I'd like to be thrown free of the accident scene so I don't wear my seatbelt and ExxonMobil suppressed the 75mpg carburetor so THEY could sell shittier gas and force emissions controls on us all.

(the ABS in my Forester is fuckawful, but it's probably better than 90% of drivers "oh god I need to stop BETTER STAND ON THE BRAKES AS HARD AS POSSIBLE" slip and slide reenactment)

West SAAB Story
Mar 13, 2014

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 228 days!)

kastein posted:

Also, I'd like to be thrown free of the accident scene so I don't wear my seatbelt and ExxonMobil suppressed the 75mpg carburetor so THEY could sell shittier gas and force emissions controls on us all.

Sometimes I'd swear you are channeling yourself in 50 years.

i own every Bionicle
Oct 23, 2005

cstm ttle? kthxbye

kastein posted:

Should have taken it through Kelley Square... and directly to the junkyards on Granite Street.

(sup worcesterites! :respek:)

Stop at Wings over Worcester while you are there.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Geirskogul posted:

"My foot is my ABS, and my finger is my safety."

Don't deny it, you all know this person.

Don't forget "My TCS is the gas," and "I firmly believe there have been no advancements in automatic transmission technology in the last 75 years and they are all comparable to a 60's Chrysler auto." *Changes clutch every 1000 mi*

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
Viggen, I don't have a broken brain, stop projecting.

Wojcigitty posted:

Stop at Wings over Worcester while you are there.

I loving love that place, though normally we hit 5 guys in lincoln plaza, Moe's over on Park Ave, or the chinese super buffet next to harbor freight after a junkyard run :v:

Also I'll take a TF727 over a 42RE anyday.

Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org

Geirskogul posted:

"My foot is my ABS, and my finger is my safety."

Don't deny it, you all know this person.

Wasabi the J posted:

Don't forget "My TCS is the gas," and "I firmly believe there have been no advancements in automatic transmission technology in the last 75 years and they are all comparable to a 60's Chrysler auto." *Changes clutch every 1000 mi*
My car from 2004 doesnt have abs or traction control, so yes my foot is both of those. Sorry to be that person?

Automatic cars are terrible, thats true. My clutch is still solid at 69k though.

Cage fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Dec 29, 2014

T1g4h
Aug 6, 2008

I AM THE SCALES OF JUSTICE, CONDUCTOR OF THE CHOIR OF DEATH!

Cage posted:

My car from 2004 doesnt have abs or traction control, so yes my foot is both of those. Sorry to be that person?

What he said. I just practice threshold braking and throttle modulation :shrug:

razorscooter
Nov 5, 2008


Geirskogul posted:

"My foot is my ABS, and my finger is my safety."

Don't deny it, you all know this person.

"Don't need safety equipment when you have two tons of American steel :911:"

iForge
Oct 28, 2010

Apple's new "iBlacksmith Suite: Professional Edition" features the iForge, iAnvil, and the iHammer.

kastein posted:

Viggen, I don't have a broken brain, stop projecting.


:iceburn:

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

InitialDave posted:

The BMW i3 has a carbon monocoque, is significantly lighter than it would otherwise be as a result, while still having a good score for occupant safety, and coming out at a relatively "normal" pricepoint.

Maybe not shopping-trolley hatchbacks, but you're definitely going to see sporty things in the "specialist but still mainstream" field like S2000s made from carbon.

Indeed. Although technically the i3's carbon monocoque is bonded to the aluminium chassis that the drivetrain lives in (I still called it a CF chassis in my Ars Technica review).

A Melted Tarp
Nov 12, 2013

At the date

GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:

This might be a massive case of confirmation bias but over the last few years I started to hear far fewer stories about people getting severely injured in car accidents and more about people just dying, meaning that you're either going to make it out of a wreck ok or it's going to be bad enough to kill you outright no matter what safety features are in there.

This has actually been my experience as well. I have transported far fewer very hosed up crash victims, now it's either minor injuries or dead on scene.

There is this fun remnant from your days as a fetus called the ligamentum arteriosum. It just sits around all day, tethered to your aortic arch, waiting. One day you strike a telephone pole at 75mph, and three impacts happen. The car hits the pole, you hit the airbag at 75mph, and your organs keep going at 75mph until the ligament tears your aorta in half and you die in the span of a few heartbeats.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
AI isn't representative of most car owners, just like TFR isn't representative of Bubba.

I wasn't saying that a car that has only minimal features is terrible, I was saying those who convince themselves that a lack of those features is BETTER than modern alternatives in EVERY circumstance is retarded, especially when the bias is influenced by their available cars.

TLDR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp0QbZWY67s

Wasabi the J fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Dec 29, 2014

F1DriverQuidenBerg
Jan 19, 2014

I believe in insurance its referred to as Moral Hazard. The theory being that the addition of safety features has led to people being more likely to take risks while driving because of the belief that they'll be protected by their cars safety features if they gently caress up.

Of course according to this theory Volvo Drivers would be bigger cocks than BMW Drivers so take it with a grain of salt.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
Stats: people are dying less!
Goons: only because they're crashing more often!

:psyduck:

This is like that guy in the OSHA thread complaining that airframe parachutes make pilots want to crash more, thus were a scourge on REAL pilots.

Wasabi the J fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Dec 29, 2014

Gorson
Aug 29, 2014

A Melted Tarp posted:

There is this fun remnant from your days as a fetus called the ligamentum arteriosum. It just sits around all day, tethered to your aortic arch, waiting. One day you strike a telephone pole at 75mph, and three impacts happen. The car hits the pole, you hit the airbag at 75mph, and your organs keep going at 75mph until the ligament tears your aorta in half and you die in the span of a few heartbeats.

Sweet fancy Moses. I have an Xacto knife and a bottle of Old Crow. How do I remove my ligamentum arteriosum before it becomes a problem?

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

A Melted Tarp posted:


There is this fun remnant from your days as a fetus called the ligamentum arteriosum. It just sits around all day, tethered to your aortic arch, waiting. One day you strike a telephone pole at 75mph, and three impacts happen. The car hits the pole, you hit the airbag at 75mph, and your organs keep going at 75mph until the ligament tears your aorta in half and you die in the span of a few heartbeats.

IIRC, after reading something from the NTSB, this is the main reason die in airplane crashes. The plane hits the ground or water with such force that it literally tears your aorta from your heart and you bleed to death internally extremely fast. A comforting thought...

blueblueblue
Mar 18, 2009

1500quidporsche posted:

I believe in insurance its referred to as Moral Hazard. The theory being that the addition of safety features has led to people being more likely to take risks while driving because of the belief that they'll be protected by their cars safety features if they gently caress up.

Of course according to this theory Volvo Drivers would be bigger cocks than BMW Drivers so take it with a grain of salt.

The book "Traffic" covers this, using skydiving. Skydiving became more and more safe, so people started doing riskier things. The book theorized that humans have a natural risk limit that they will always try to push. Current safety manufacturing has made cars significantly safer, but physics is hard to argue with when forces get extremely strong.

F1DriverQuidenBerg
Jan 19, 2014

TrinityOfDeath posted:

The book "Traffic" covers this, using skydiving. Skydiving became more and more safe, so people started doing riskier things. The book theorized that humans have a natural risk limit that they will always try to push. Current safety manufacturing has made cars significantly safer, but physics is hard to argue with when forces get extremely strong.

In terms of automobiles the examples they always gave in my risk management classes in university were things like airbags or crash safety ratings which I don't necessarily think is accurate. Nobody thinks that they can go faster because they think "gently caress it I've got air bags if I crash".

Where I do think there is some truth to this idea is with stuff like AWD, ABS and traction control. Where as the safe speed before that technology on a particular road may be X mph and with that technology its now X+10mph in the driver's mind it seems safe to go X+30mph. Which is where physics kicks in hard like you said.

Git Mah Belt Son
Apr 26, 2003

Happy Happy Gators

kastein posted:


I loving love that place, though normally we hit 5 guys in lincoln plaza, Moe's over on Park Ave, or the chinese super buffet next to harbor freight after a junkyard run :v:


The chinese buffet in Shrewsbury on Rt 9 is the best (of the "super" variety) chinese buffet in the area. The one next to Harbor Freight sort of sketches me out for some reason.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Because it's next to a Harbor Freight.

I don't know why this is but the hands-down best Chinese buffets almost always seem to be in sketchy, out-of-the-way, 80% occupied strip malls :shrug:

To contribute: I drive a 2013 Flex. I like it: roomy, relatively low to the ground, nimble & easy to park. The main reason I won't buy it when the lease is up: everything is controlled by the computer, which occasionally slips into moron mode, turning on the lights in full day, changing to AM from aux by itself...and then won't permit a change back; repeatedly telling you to SHIFT INTO PARK because THE DRIVER'S DOOR IS OPEN. Also, something in the fuel circuit quit twice in a week. Although I suspect it necromanced back at the dealership & they declared it fixed...the second time it crapped out, they had it for three days. Also the right outer CV joint is eating itself but they won't replace it. 38K.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Dec 30, 2014

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
I sent in my 2008 Honda Fit to a dealership to get the transmission fluid swapped, an oil change, and a new key made. I can't do the key myself, and I've been too busy to do the other two at home. They couldn't make a new key, and said the input/output on my immobilizer was busted, but volunteered to replace it for another $300 (lolno).
Next morning, the car won't start. No weak crank, nothing. It's like the battery was stone dead.

The idiots didn't retighten the battery cables after doing their "thorough inspection". The cables could be slid on and off with a finger. I wonder what else they screwed up?

enojy
Sep 11, 2001

bass rattle
stars out
the sky

canyoneer posted:

The idiots didn't retighten the battery cables after doing their "thorough inspection". The cables could be slid on and off with a finger. I wonder what else they screwed up?

Hah, I made this screwup when I replaced my first (or second?) battery. I think I swapped it out in an Autozone parking lot, and only had pliers to loosen/tighten the bolts. I got them essentially finger tight and figured that was good enough.

A couple months later, all sorts of issues start popping up. Flickering headlights, random electronics cutting out, car stalling with no warning. I never suspected the battery since it was pretty new, and the car started just fine. Then when changing the oil, I noticed the top covered in dried acid. Luckily, Autozone prorated the replacement pretty well...

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

1500quidporsche posted:

I believe in insurance its referred to as Moral Hazard. The theory being that the addition of safety features has led to people being more likely to take risks while driving because of the belief that they'll be protected by their cars safety features if they gently caress up.

Of course according to this theory Volvo Drivers would be bigger cocks than BMW Drivers so take it with a grain of salt.

It's been my observation that there are two kinds of Volvo drivers: ones that stay in the rightmost lane doing 5-10 under the speed limit, constantly tapping on the brakes every time a leaf blows by, who bought a Volvo because they're terrified of driving; and those who charge straight for the passing lane where they proceed to do at least 10-15 over the limit, alternately tailgating and weaving between lanes cutting people off, secure that none of their actions pose a risk to their Swedish-armoured persons.

Chuu
Sep 11, 2004

Grimey Drawer
edit:nevermind

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
I'm a pretty big proponent of anti-lock brakes.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Human Grand Prix posted:

I'm a pretty big proponent of anti-lock brakes.

I've always hated them, the pulsing just feels lovely and I hate it.

I get that they still produce more braking force than my amateur grade threshold braking is capableof, but it still feels like I'm losing control of the car.

Aurune
Jun 17, 2006

xzzy posted:

I've always hated them, the pulsing just feels lovely and I hate it.

I get that they still produce more braking force than my amateur grade threshold braking is capableof, but it still feels like I'm losing control of the car.

You know what's worse? ABS that when the wheel speed sensor fails, applies the brakes fully.


(stolen from my unlucky friend's Facebook page)

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
Today it was super icy and my heavy boots make it a lot harder to modulate the brakes. I leaned on the abs a lot more than I usually do.

Chuu
Sep 11, 2004

Grimey Drawer
I'm trying to imagine what driving around in winter would be like in a world where ABS wasn't standard. How were the interstates not filled with the flaming wrecks of cars considering how badly people drive on snow and water even with ABS?

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe

Chuu posted:

I'm trying to imagine what driving around in winter would be like in a world where ABS wasn't standard.

It'd be like a snowy winter in the south.

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Chinatown
Sep 11, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Fun Shoe

Aurune posted:

You know what's worse? ABS that when the wheel speed sensor fails, applies the brakes fully.


(stolen from my unlucky friend's Facebook page)

Why is he driving around on bald tires.

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