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Some of ya'll are creepily obsessed with blaming Su for Literally Everything. Like drat.
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Dec 29, 2014 19:37
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The real question is, where was Su when the 10,000 years of darkness was starting? I bet she was GOING TO SELL EVIL METALBENDING FLASHLIGHTS! 
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Dec 29, 2014 19:40
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AlternateNu posted:That reminds me. One of the most hilarious loose ends of the entire series was when Korra asks Zuko about what Aang would do in her situation, then blithely comments on how Iroh was right. That's not really a loose end. Let me sketch the scene: Zuko goes into the spirit world, finds his uncle, and they drink tea. Fin. Not really riveting TV. Anyway, it's not Zuko's story anymore.
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Dec 29, 2014 20:09
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Yeah. In the Spirit World. A couple times actually.
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Oh Snapple! posted:Some of ya'll are creepily obsessed with blaming Su for Literally Everything. Like drat. Suyin has a tendency to overstate her own moral rectitude while ignoring the good points of others. This is obvious to us, but in the show the only people who see the whole picture are Suyin herself (who won't acknowledge her moral faults) and Korra, who has bigger problems than one sort of selfish Beifong. This is a character trait that when shown more obviously is almost always possessed by antagonists. Plus a lot of people like Lin, because she's basically the toughest, roughest person we see consistently. Only Tonraq could compete for that title and he doesn't get enough screentime.
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Dec 29, 2014 20:14
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:That's not really a loose end. Yeah, a two minute scene like that made for some of the fans would've been very out of place in the finale with everything that went on.
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Dec 29, 2014 20:14
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Su did nothing wrong.
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Dec 29, 2014 20:17
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X_Toad posted:Kuvira was right at the beginning, and then went to more and more extreme lengths to do what she saw as her duty, and that lead to the dictator she eventually became. Had she had friends and subordinates ready to criticize her methods and maybe offer alternatives, maybe that she would never had gone so deep. From what I remember about the flashback when Su refuses to help the Earth Kingdom, it sounded like the original mandate for Kuvira was only to bring peace and stability back to Ba Sing Se, and if she had stopped there and let the rest of the kingdom evolve into independent city-states while helping the Airbenders minimize bandits and lawlessness, peace could have been maintained. Instead, she stabilized Ba Sing Se, and then kept on
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Dec 29, 2014 20:24
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Oh Snapple! posted:Some of ya'll are creepily obsessed with blaming Su for Literally Everything. Like drat. If you can't accept that Su is the Peppermint Butler of this series, I don't know what to tell you.
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Dec 29, 2014 20:45
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Su Yin is kind of a lovely person behind her awesome battle-hippy persona. She's probably my favorite character because of that.
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Dec 29, 2014 21:24
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YorexTheMad posted:Su Yin is kind of a lovely person behind her awesome battle-hippy persona. She's probably my favorite character because of that. Best ninja mom ever.
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Dec 29, 2014 22:09
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King of Foolians posted:From what I remember about the flashback when Su refuses to help the Earth Kingdom, it sounded like the original mandate for Kuvira was only to bring peace and stability back to Ba Sing Se, and if she had stopped there and let the rest of the kingdom evolve into independent city-states while helping the Airbenders minimize bandits and lawlessness, peace could have been maintained. Instead, she stabilized Ba Sing Se, and then kept on  . Kuvira was under no mandate to stabilize Ba Sing Se, she went there on her own volition, probably thinking that if they wanted to stabilize the Earth Kingdom, they might as well start with the capital. It's only after she successfully brought order to the city that Raiko and the rest of the world leaders gave her the mandate to stabilize the rest of the Earth Kingdom.
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Dec 29, 2014 23:59
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Suyin is basically running Galt's Gulch if you think about it so it's not surprising everyone hates her.TheKingofSprings posted:Yeah, a two minute scene like that made for some of the fans would've been very out of place in the finale with everything that went on. It really would have. Where would you put it? Zuko's story is done. The show is at its worst when it's being mindless ATLA fanservice.
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Dec 30, 2014 00:12
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I agree, especially if you could just delete season 1 because of it.
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Dec 30, 2014 00:13
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The Sharmat posted:
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Dec 30, 2014 00:14
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I don't think that was really fanservice, since Toph actually had a role in the plot.
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Dec 30, 2014 00:20
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The Sharmat posted:Suyin is basically running Galt's Gulch if you think about it so it's not surprising everyone hates her. Ya'll are loving insane. Jesus.
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Dec 30, 2014 00:33
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Before this thread gets closed down for good, I just wanted to say, without reservation, that the last two seasons of this show had the best treatment of female characters I think I've ever seen in an ensemble cast. Like, the example that springs to mind is the scene where Korra, Opal, and Jinora go to confront Kuvira, who captured Su after her assassination attempt. Literally every player in that game is a girl or woman. That's freaking unheard of if we're not talking about some lovely magical girl anime where every character is a prepubescent girl. Hats off to Bryan and Mike for learning from their mistakes in ATLA and integrating female characters into their stories as well as they did. What they did in that regard is, to me, just as ground-breaking as Korra and Asami becoming an implicit couple.
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Dec 30, 2014 00:36
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The biggest thing that gets me about Suyin is her hypocrisy-laced self-interest. She rags on Lin for not being forgiving enough and holding on to personal grudges and makes a big show of how great she is for hiring ex-cons in her home, but what she actually means is that we should only forgive people when it benefits Su. People who have actually done wrong by Suyin, like Aiwei and Kuvira? gently caress 'em, they can rot in hell. In retrospect her whole creed about how people can change comes across as simply emotionally guilt-tripping Lin into being nice to her again, and her hiring pirates and Varricks to work for her comes across like charity to make herself look better. I really like Su. 
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Dec 30, 2014 00:42
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Wildeyes posted:Before this thread gets closed down for good, I just wanted to say, without reservation, that the last two seasons of this show had the best treatment of female characters I think I've ever seen in an ensemble cast. Like, the example that springs to mind is the scene where Korra, Opal, and Jinora go to confront Kuvira, who captured Su after her assassination attempt. Literally every player in that game is a girl or woman. That's freaking unheard of if we're not talking about some lovely magical girl anime where every character is a prepubescent girl. You know I didn't even notice that. Which is a good thing. It means they were characters first and female characters second.
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Dec 30, 2014 00:50
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Yeah, Suyin is great because of what a remarkably lovely person she is, but in a really plausible way. and Lin's feud with her is interesting because of the lesson it teaches, which is that being in the right in an argument doesn't mean poo poo when continuing the argument comes with a larger price than losing the moral high ground.
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Dec 30, 2014 00:55
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I wouldn't really call Suyin a "remarkably lovely person". Just a believably flawed person, and flawed in a way that goons specifically really hate, in general.
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Dec 30, 2014 01:01
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The Sharmat posted:I don't think that was really fanservice, since Toph actually had a role in the plot. Yeah. Also, she paid off character development for characters who were actually relevant to LoK, and answered the standing question of "Hey, whatever happened to Toph?". As a huge avatar dork, an Iroh/Zuko scene would have been sweet to see, but there's no point to such a meeting; Zuko doesn't need Iroh's advice or help. Zuko is already reached the end of his character development, as has Iroh. Both of them are just cool old dudes being cool old dudes. There's nothing at stake in a new Iroh/Zuko scene, and no question it answers. neither of their fates are not in doubt, which is the usual point to those little touchstone epilogue scenes
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Dec 30, 2014 01:15
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Covok posted:Make suspended jail cells out of wood for earthbenders and metal for firebender cells? In ATLA, didn't they keep Toph in a wooden cage...somehow (shouldn't she be able to Earthbend from the ground regardless?) Toph couldn't connect to the earth to earthbend is what they were pushing, I think.
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Dec 30, 2014 01:27
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I would have earthbended the turds out my rear end and chucked them at a guard, just like in real prison
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Dec 30, 2014 01:29
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The Sharmat posted:It really would have. Where would you put it? Exactly. I don't understand why they even put a moment hinting at it in season 3, they must've known they wouldn't have the time to give that kind of plot point the time it deserves.
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Dec 30, 2014 01:58
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The Sharmat posted:I wouldn't really call Suyin a "remarkably lovely person". Just a believably flawed person, and flawed in a way that goons specifically really hate, in general. Yeah, if there's anything consistent about D&D goons it is that they'd rather be right and miserable than wrong and happy.
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Dec 30, 2014 02:19
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TheKingofSprings posted:Exactly. I don't understand why they even put a moment hinting at it in season 3, they must've known they wouldn't have the time to give that kind of plot point the time it deserves. It was there to be humorous.
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Dec 30, 2014 02:19
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ImpAtom posted:It was there to be humorous. There's nothing funny about my magical kung fu lesbian animu. 
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Dec 30, 2014 02:22
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Toshimo posted:There's nothing funny about my magical kung fu lesbian animu. That's generally true, most of the attempts at humor are pretty bad.
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Dec 30, 2014 02:23
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Lin and Suyin are basically the two sides of the Janus that is the Baby Boomers, and I really enjoyed them, especially since it led to badass earth-bending choreography.
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Dec 30, 2014 02:27
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The Sharmat posted:That's generally true, most of the attempts at humor are pretty bad. 
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Dec 30, 2014 02:56
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Has no one made any cool fan art of old Zuko and Iroh chillin' in the Spirit World drinking tea?
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Dec 30, 2014 03:01
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King of Foolians posted:Has no one made any cool fan art of old Zuko and Iroh chillin' in the Spirit World drinking tea? I don't know about that, but someone did make this: 
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Dec 30, 2014 03:03
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thexerox123 posted:I don't know about that, but someone did make this: I would probably die from the sad-happiness I would experience from seeing old Zuko meet spirit Iroh.
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Dec 30, 2014 03:07
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TheKingofSprings posted:Exactly. I don't understand why they even put a moment hinting at it in season 3, they must've known they wouldn't have the time to give that kind of plot point the time it deserves.
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Dec 30, 2014 03:15
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thexerox123 posted:I don't know about that, but someone did make this: Iroh: Closest thing to a Jedi Master in the Avatar universe.
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Dec 30, 2014 03:19
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Well in fairness we'd be pissed at Korra if she never told Zuko about how she met his uncle. Would we be pissed enough to tweet at the network that we'd never watch their network again, though?
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Dec 30, 2014 03:22
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Toshimo posted:Would we be pissed enough to tweet at the network that we'd never watch their network again, though?
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Toshimo posted:Would we be pissed enough to tweet at the network that we'd never watch their network again, though? We aren't Naruto fans, Toshimo. Give us some credit.
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