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computer parts posted:Most of the paper bags I've seen don't have handles, that's my big issue. At least in LA, I've never seen a handle-less paper bag from any major chain.
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The handles make things worse ,if you lift it in any way except directly up they rip off and gently caress up the bag.
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Jan 3, 2015 20:03
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What was the verdict on eggs? I see organic, free range, and cage free. Brown and white. Regular and jumbo. So many goddamn choices.
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Jan 3, 2015 20:36
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drilldo squirt posted:The handles make things worse ,if you lift it in any way except directly up they rip off and gently caress up the bag. Does a paper bag need a "this end up" sign on its side or something?
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Jan 3, 2015 20:39
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Duck, from a farmers market
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Jan 3, 2015 20:46
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FRINGE posted:Yeah. Theyre for carrying the bag not dragging it around on the ground. No but it needs to not rip if I lift it slightly to one side.
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Jan 3, 2015 20:46
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Kobayashi posted:What was the verdict on eggs? I see organic, free range, and cage free. Brown and white. Regular and jumbo. So many goddamn choices. I buy the cheap ones.
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Jan 3, 2015 20:47
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Ask the person you are buying from how they treat their chickens. If the answer sounds reasonable then buy them, if it sounds horrifying or if the person doesn't know how the chickens are treated then don't buy them.
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Jan 3, 2015 20:57
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withak posted:Ask the person you are buying from how they treat their chickens. If the answer sounds reasonable then buy them, if it sounds horrifying or if the person doesn't know how the chickens are treated then don't buy them. Do you guys not shop in grocery chains or something? Do I ask the checkout clerk how they treat their chickens? Also this plastic bag ban is dumb as hell. I save the plastic bags and use them around the house or recycle them back to the store like every grocery chain has. Why do I need to buy canvas bags when I already recycle and reuse the existing bags?
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Jan 3, 2015 21:38
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FCKGW posted:Do I ask the checkout clerk how they treat their chickens? See my response above. If you don't want to get eggs from the person who raised the chickens then just buy the kind with the prettiest packaging.
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Jan 3, 2015 21:41
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FCKGW posted:Why do I need to buy canvas bags when I already recycle and reuse the existing bags? Because a) most people don't and b) even if you reuse them, you still have to recycle them once they break (and I have heard at one time that plastic film recycling is expensive). And there's always the chance that c) you're out traveling so screw actually hanging on to that bag while you're visiting Yosemite.
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Jan 3, 2015 21:42
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Why did they make us stop spraying oil on the road to keep the dust down? It worked great and I knew not to eat the road, so what's the problem? Big government jeez.
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Jan 3, 2015 21:52
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Unleaded gasoline? More like unfreedom gasoline.
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Shear Modulus posted:Unleaded gasoline? More like unfreedom gasoline. There are people now looking into the rise and fall of national (US) violence and its co-relation with environmental lead levels (basically they are looking into global brain damage). It was that pervasive.
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FCKGW posted:
There is a like a billion square miles of plastic poo poo in the ocean because people don't, on average, dispose of the bags properly (I exaggerated, but it is a real problem). That is why. I know it sucks, since I use the bags to clean out my cat box daily. I guess I'm saved, since the ban isn't going through, but don't ever underestimate how loving stupid people are.
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Jan 3, 2015 23:15
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FRINGE posted:Yeah. Theyre for carrying the bag not dragging it around on the ground. Paper bags are just too big. Either you fill the bag and they disintegrate under the load or you leave every bag half-empty, which seems pretty drat wasteful by itself. If they're going to switch to paper exclusively they need to either make the bags half the size or use a way thicker paper stock.
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bango skank posted:As someone who bagged groceries for a couple years at a place that had the paper bags with handles, they're useless. Of course they don't pop off of every bag, but it happens often enough that I wouldn't use them for anything weighing more than a loaf of bread. Paper bag handles just pop off at the slightest of stress. I'd end up double bagging even moderate loads so I'd be using double the amount of paper bags more often than not . Disposable plastic bags can hold an insane amount of weight without tearing. If there was a compromise between them I'd be all in favor of it. Renewable sourced/biodegradable stretchy..ish bags you can use for grocery shopping once, and maybe again, and then for something really gross down the line Kitties need clean boxes and our plumbing doesn't like clumping litter. Gross organic trash shouldn't need to be perma-sealed in some random Vons bag until AD 87000
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Minarchist posted:Kitties need clean boxes and our plumbing doesn't like clumping litter. Gross organic trash shouldn't need to be perma-sealed in some random Vons bag until AD 87000
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Lift paper bags from the bottom, problem solved. The handles are for very light things. Good grief I wonder how some of you make it out of your bathroom alive.
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Kaal posted:Good grief I wonder how some of you make it out of your bathroom alive. Lot of assumptions here.
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What's so hard about paper bags? I have no car, and routinely carry fully-loaded paper bags (with heavy poo poo in them, like beer, jars of stuff, etc) home on the train/bus, and almost never have them rip on me. Just get your groceries double-bagged and never apply diagonal pressure to the handles...always lift the bags straight up if they're heavy, and make sure you don't swing them all retarded when you're walking. And if you're worried the handles might break, hold the bag from the bottom. It's not rocket science. We may all be goonlords that have trouble leaving the bathroom alive*, but paper bags are some easy poo poo to figure out. *I just never use my bathroom. What do you think i use the paper bags for when i get home? Checkmate, bag failures 
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I put my groceries in plastic bags and them put them in the back of my Ford Explorer for the 1/2 mile drive back to my house, what's so hard.
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FCKGW posted:I put my groceries in plastic bags and them put them in the back of my Ford Explorer for the 1/2 mile drive back to my house, what's so hard. "Groceries" is a strong word for Dr. Pepper and microwave meals.
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Kaal posted:"Groceries" is a strong word for Dr. Pepper and microwave meals. Dr. Pepper? Pshh, only the finest Mountain Dew is worthy of any self-respecting goon. Then again, that guy drives an SUV instead of a rascal scooter, so maybe Dr. Pepper is more his style.
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I'm pretty sure Mountain Dew Code Red is the gooniest drink, but I'd be happy to hear arguments to the contrary.
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VikingofRock posted:I'm pretty sure Mountain Dew Code Red is the gooniest drink, but I'd be happy to hear arguments to the contrary. They have Doritos flavored Mountain Dew now.
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I hope in 20 years cats become the next plastic bag. Take that to mean the absolute worst of whatever you want it to mean.
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doctorfrog posted:I hope in 20 years cats become the next plastic bag. Take that to mean the absolute worst of whatever you want it to mean.
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doctorfrog posted:I hope in 20 years cats become the next plastic bag. Take that to mean the absolute worst of whatever you want it to mean. They're already causing the death of ocean life.
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Cats killed all of the songbirds, now they are moving on to everything else.
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withak posted:Cats killed all of the songbirds, now they are moving on to everything else. There's nothing but crows and mockingbirds left here. I see a few seagulls getting their asses kicked by crows and the odd cranes/swans/geese migrating on occasion. And maybe a couple hawks. For such a "nice area" the wildlife is unsettling  FRINGE posted:Toxo is the new ebola. If you own a cat, or have owned a cat, you probably have it. I probably have it. It's not so bad. It's...calming. Good. You should try it. It's better this way. Join us 
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Minarchist posted:If you own a cat, or have owned a cat, you probably have it. I probably have it. It's not so bad. It's...calming. Good. You should try it. It's better this way. Join us http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3671083
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gently caress LIBBY! Huge disappointment.
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doctorfrog posted:I hope in 20 years cats become the next plastic bag. Take that to mean the absolute worst of whatever you want it to mean. I may or may not know of "possum traps" that were actually meant to target cats near bird habitat.
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Because foodchat is The lawsuit had been filed by a group of out-of-state foie gras producers, retailers, and importers. The ruling also invalidates a lawsuit filed by the Animal Legal Defense Fund against Napa's La Toque restaurant, a restaurant accused of violating the ban. La Toque's chef, Ken Frank, has announced that he intends to begin serving foie gras at La Toque this evening.
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Only 15 years till high-speed rail!
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Trabisnikof posted:Only 15 years till high-speed rail! 30 years until Los Angeles, a city that's probably a top 30 world economy on it's own, gets an okay metro rail system
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Because foodchat is What the gently caress? quote:The judge ruled that the law was unconstitutional because it interferes with an existing federal law that regulates poultry products. That's a troubling precedent for a lot more than just foie gras if states can't regulate things more tightly than federal laws. What's that do to state environmental, labor, etc. laws?
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Actually, the interstate commerce clause of the US constitution (which is a loophole Congress drives truckloads of legislation through, but that's a tangent) is pretty clear about reserving to the federal congress the right to regulate interstate commerce. The article says that an appeal on that basis did not get past a court, but I find that really surprising. I wonder what the judge's ruling was based on. That doesn't stop California from saying that (for example) carmakers have to sell cars that conform to CARB... but that only applies to NEW cars, and if you buy a new car as a resident of another state, you can (and CA pretty much can't legislate away your right to) bring it into the state, whether it conforms to CARB or not. I'm not a constitutional lawyer but my expectation is that outright banning products made in other states is unconstitutional. The egg legislation is probably a better model for CA to deal with unethical treatment of fois gras birds anyway: create a baseline for ethical treatment of ducks/geese/etc., and then ban products that don't meet that baseline. Out-of-state farms can then choose to conform, or not. While the current practice of force-feeding birds to a point that is clearly torturing them in order to get their livers to be as fatty as possible is pretty horrible, I'm pretty sure you can just eat ordinary duck liver, or at the very least, fatten up your ducks and geese with a high-fat diet and then accept that level of liver fat.
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