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First caller to WOL observes that he thinks UFC pairs white fighter with non-white fighters to increase interest in the fight
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Jan 5, 2015 00:19
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ch3cooh posted:First caller to WOL observes that he thinks UFC pairs white fighter with non-white fighters to increase interest in the fight Ryan from mumble Maryland always has some interesting theory every week
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Jan 5, 2015 01:11
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How many buys did Dave speculate would be a win for Jeff Jarrett? Flipps said they got 2,000 orders and their poo poo went down. I heard 10,000 was NJPW's goal.
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Jan 5, 2015 02:34
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Luigi Thirty posted:How many buys did Dave speculate would be a win for Jeff Jarrett? Flipps said they got 2,000 orders and their poo poo went down. I heard 10,000 was NJPW's goal. 10,000 and it's a success.
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Jan 5, 2015 04:43
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Daniel Bryan posted:10,000 and it's a success. And I'd wager money more people bought on normal PPV than some app I'd not heard of before this week.
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Jan 5, 2015 04:49
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njsykora posted:And I'd wager money more people bought on normal PPV than some app I'd not heard of before this week. The app was the only way to get the GFW version outside of North America so it's hard to say. I'd guess the traditional PPV buys would be much much higher too.
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Jan 5, 2015 05:25
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MassRafTer posted:The app was the only way to get the GFW version outside of North America so it's hard to say. I'd guess the traditional PPV buys would be much much higher too. After seeing that it wanted me to download an app to download an app on my xbox to stream between them in some fashion, I gave up and ordered the japanese version. Going through a Japanese website was easier than using their service. Seriously, I get that people like apps, but people like to stream video through their computers more often.
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Jan 5, 2015 07:07
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Wazzu posted:After seeing that it wanted me to download an app to download an app on my xbox to stream between them in some fashion, I gave up and ordered the japanese version. Going through a Japanese website was easier than using their service. Yeah, I looked into it and couldn't understand why they didn't just have a desktop version to use as well, surely not having one cuts out a significant potential chunk of their audience. Seems like I dodged a bullet anyway since they apparently screwed up the first hour or so of the broadcast.
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Jan 5, 2015 07:19
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ch3cooh posted:First caller to WOL observes that he thinks UFC pairs white fighter with non-white fighters to increase interest in the fight He also theorized that the UFC scripts Jon Jones to act the way he does and then told the judges to score the fight for Jones. He was a special kind of stupid.
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Jan 5, 2015 17:59
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I really liked Austin's talk with Wade Keller. They cover stuff that's been done before (And Austin still hasn't watched NXT) but it's always good to hear Austin's insights into the product.
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Jan 5, 2015 19:01
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Require More Fire posted:He also theorized that the UFC scripts Jon Jones to act the way he does and then told the judges to score the fight for Jones. He was a special kind of stupid. I literally laughed out loud when he said Cormier clearly won the fight because of how Jon Jones handles himself.
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Jan 5, 2015 20:20
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sportsgenius86 posted:I literally laughed out loud when he said Cormier clearly won the fight because of how Jon Jones handles himself. Jon Jones Loss 20–2 Daniel Cormier DQ (crotch chop uncalled for) UFC 182 January 3, 2015 5 5:00
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Jan 5, 2015 21:07
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DrVenkman posted:I really liked Austin's talk with Wade Keller. They cover stuff that's been done before (And Austin still hasn't watched NXT) but it's always good to hear Austin's insights into the product.
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Jan 5, 2015 21:54
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Keller didn't bring up Cena's lovely STF. Every few months he remembers and gets mad that Cena ignored Austin's simple request. They did nail the thing I don't like about Ziggler though. It's a weird criticism to have, but the guy is SO focused on entertaining people that I think it's to his detriment. I get why he feels like he has to do it, particularly in that environment, but right now he's just known as the guy you use for big bumps.
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Jan 5, 2015 22:13
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DrVenkman posted:They did nail the thing I don't like about Ziggler though. It's a weird criticism to have, but the guy is SO focused on entertaining people that I think it's to his detriment. I get why he feels like he has to do it, particularly in that environment, but right now he's just known as the guy you use for big bumps. Yeah, I've been hearing people say that about Ziggler for years. Once you become known for making other people look good, it's hard to get in a position where you get the focus on yourself.
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Jan 5, 2015 22:28
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with the dome apparently doing 36k paid, which is a good number but nowhere near the hyperbole dave was spouting, did dave just get massively worked by the njpw front office?
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Jan 6, 2015 08:30
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Isn't 36 the best number they've done since they stopped making up numbers? That's only 6k off what they were making up!!
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Jan 6, 2015 08:42
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it's only up 1k from last year which is way off what dave was hyping up.
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Jan 6, 2015 08:48
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Spermgod posted:with the dome apparently doing 36k paid, which is a good number but nowhere near the hyperbole dave was spouting, did dave just get massively worked by the njpw front office? The building was sold out for the stage set up they ran. They probably could have sold more tickets if they opened more of it up.
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Jan 6, 2015 08:49
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MassRafTer posted:The building was sold out for the stage set up they ran. They probably could have sold more tickets if they opened more of it up. if that's true the way Dave was selling it like they were doing way better than last year still seems like NJPW boosterism more than serious coverage
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Jan 6, 2015 08:54
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Spermgod posted:if that's true the way Dave was selling it like they were doing way better than last year still seems like NJPW boosterism more than serious coverage He reported they were selling tickets at a much faster rate and would sell out, but he did say the building would be set up for less seats than year's past. I thought that would mean 45,000 but it's not like he specified. I doubt he knew how big the set up would be given he doesn't know even the Wrestlemania capacity until he gets official numbers. He probably let himself get more excited about the numbers than they warranted but an advanced sellout even at 36K is pretty huge. The only non WWE numbers that will top it this year is UFC in Sweden and Ireland.
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Jan 6, 2015 08:57
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yeah i don't mean to downplay that it's a very impressive number, just that whether deliberately or not (and i think not) he gave the impression they were going to do significantly more. it will definitely give me a little pause when listening to his coverage of their business in future. i don't think it's too far into loony territory to think that his enthusiasm for the promotion might have caused him to extrapolate more positively from the available information than he would have otherwise by not giving enough thought to how big the setup would be. the NJPW front office telling him about the crazy advance they're doing and omitting that one crucial detail reeks of spin/working to me.
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Jan 6, 2015 09:04
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Spermgod posted:yeah i don't mean to downplay that it's a very impressive number, just that whether deliberately or not (and i think not) he gave the impression they were going to do significantly more. it will definitely give me a little pause when listening to his coverage of their business in future. Are you a new listener? Dave over hypes things from Japan all the time; it's easily his biggest bias.
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Jan 6, 2015 09:39
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PaybackJack posted:Are you a new listener? Dave over hypes things from Japan all the time; it's easily his biggest bias. criticism of the in-ring product and coverage of the business are totally different things. i don't particularly care if he likes NJPW matches a lot. if his coverage of the business end is lacking that's a much bigger deal.
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Jan 6, 2015 09:43
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PaybackJack posted:Are you a new listener? Dave over hypes things from Japan all the time; it's easily his biggest bias. If anything Dave is overly critical of NJPW's business moves from their iPPV strategy (and now NJPW World) to their live venue decisions he rarely praises their aggressive expansion. The comparisons to mid 80s Crockett are very much loaded and in my opinion not deserved.
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Jan 6, 2015 09:49
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Just listened to the most recent Observer, Dave clearly starting work early on Best of 2015 material.
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Jan 6, 2015 15:13
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Spermgod posted:with the dome apparently doing 36k paid, which is a good number but nowhere near the hyperbole dave was spouting, did dave just get massively worked by the njpw front office? NJPW said their show at ECW Arena in 2011 was SUPER NO VACANCY SELLOUT even though there was only like 200 fans there, so yeah they lie
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Jan 6, 2015 15:35
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MassRafTer posted:If anything Dave is overly critical of NJPW's business moves from their iPPV strategy (and now NJPW World) to their live venue decisions he rarely praises their aggressive expansion. The comparisons to mid 80s Crockett are very much loaded and in my opinion not deserved. Especially since there's nobody as big as Vince and the WWE in Japan to make NJPW pay for mistakes like there was with Crockett. Outside of DDT and DG doing well for what they are, seemingly everybody in Japan is hurting. AJPW is a joke, NOAH's not much better.
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Jan 6, 2015 16:17
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Especially since there's nobody as big as Vince and the WWE in Japan to make NJPW pay for mistakes like there was with Crockett. Outside of DDT and DG doing well for what they are, seemingly everybody in Japan is hurting. AJPW is a joke, NOAH's not much better. Exact details of the deal haven't emerged yet, but some sort of financial transaction happened between NJPW and NOAH and it seems like they're basically being kept afloat so NJPW can bring in some new talent and give their old vets a place to work the upper card.
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Jan 6, 2015 16:31
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Thauros posted:Exact details of the deal haven't emerged yet, but some sort of financial transaction happened between NJPW and NOAH and it seems like they're basically being kept afloat so NJPW can bring in some new talent and give their old vets a place to work the upper card. So basically a reverse NXT?
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Jan 6, 2015 16:45
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Bhester posted:So basically a reverse NXT? Again, we don't know the exact details and this just happened, but maybe more like WWECW in that it will serve both as a source of new guys to bring in to NJPW and a place where old guys can do more than lower midcard multimans. Thauros fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Jan 6, 2015 |
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Jan 6, 2015 16:48
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Makes sense, considering having nothing but old guys in the main event is what nearly killed NOAH in the first place, right?
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Jan 6, 2015 16:57
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Thauros posted:Again, we don't know the exact details and this just happened, but maybe more like WWECW in that it will serve both as a source of new guys to bring in to NJPW and a place where old guys can do more than lower midcard multimans. It's worth noting that at this point my knowledge on Japanese promotion is basically at the "trying to learn" level.
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Jan 6, 2015 17:01
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I wonder if people who don't care about New Japan are starting to get annoyed with Observer Radio, because I'm a huge NJ fan and it's starting to annoy even me the way Dave and Bryan are constantly comparing WWE and NJ. Yeah, I get it, some random lovely Raw isn't as good as the biggest NJ show of the year. I'm guessing if we compared your average Road to... show with Wrestlemania, it wouldn't stand up great either. I don't know what purpose is served by constantly pointing out things New Japan does better than WWE.
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Jan 6, 2015 17:59
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It is fair to compare Dash to Raw though, and they're successfully building a very intriguing angle involving a main event guy and booking title matches for February I want to see. This is something WWE is failing at in my and many other peoples' opinions and why shouldn't that be pointed out? If WM XXXI's great like XXX was Dave will be more than happy to praise it. I'm a huge NJPW fan who thought XXX was just as good as WK8 and I hope they get it together for Mania season.
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Jan 6, 2015 18:13
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Dunbar posted:I wonder if people who don't care about New Japan are starting to get annoyed with Observer Radio, because I'm a huge NJ fan and it's starting to annoy even me the way Dave and Bryan are constantly comparing WWE and NJ. Yeah, I get it, some random lovely Raw isn't as good as the biggest NJ show of the year. I'm guessing if we compared your average Road to... show with Wrestlemania, it wouldn't stand up great either. I don't know what purpose is served by constantly pointing out things New Japan does better than WWE. I used to be annoyed with this both in WO and on this forum because there was no easy way to watch NJPW and it seemed for all the world like they were intent on not growing their fanbase outside of Japan, so why would I want to hear how great this promotion was when they don't want my money or my time to watch/follow it? I do think that a random Raw is a bad comparison to Wrestle Kingdom, but it seemed to me that Dave/Bryan were mostly comparing booking decisions overall. It's not like WWE isn't supposedly building to a giant show this month or an even bigger one in three months, so the comparisons are pretty apt I think. In a way there's possibly an element of self-preservation in there because it's very much in Dave and Bryan's interest to keep fans interested in some kind of wrestling, while WWE's product seems actively designed to get you to switch off completely these days.
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Jan 6, 2015 18:32
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Dunbar posted:I wonder if people who don't care about New Japan are starting to get annoyed with Observer Radio, because I'm a huge NJ fan and it's starting to annoy even me the way Dave and Bryan are constantly comparing WWE and NJ. Yeah, I get it, some random lovely Raw isn't as good as the biggest NJ show of the year. I'm guessing if we compared your average Road to... show with Wrestlemania, it wouldn't stand up great either. I don't know what purpose is served by constantly pointing out things New Japan does better than WWE. I don't look at the board or anything but I'd be surprised if there was a large contingent of people that care about wrestling enough to subscribe to the Observer but don't care enough to prefer good wrestling to bad.
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Jan 6, 2015 18:37
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Dave talking about New Japan right now makes sense since they just had their Wrestlemania. Before that it was him talking on and on about CM Punk. Or Jones/Cormier. They talk about whatever the big news at the time is, and WWE being boring as poo poo isn't really big news anymore. TNA is on hiatus, ROH is bland. The WWE Network is what it is. There's not a lot to talk about this week besides New Japan being awesome. On the Road to Wrestlemania people should get their fill of WWE talk I'm sure.
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Jan 6, 2015 18:58
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Yeah, I don't expect the WK9 comparisons to stick past this week. It was just a bad episode of Raw accentuated by coming off of what could easily be the best show of the year. It's quite the come down.
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