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zoux posted:Is there an actual term for that style of headgear?
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fatherboxx posted:Jim Lee had an obsession with that strange headgear
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Jan 5, 2015 22:40
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zoux posted:Is there an actual term for that style of headgear? Not really. When it's just sort of stapled to their face (Shatterstar) the closest real thing would be called a circlet or possibly a tiara. There might be some very specific term from costuming or something, who knows. When it is integral part of the overall clothing, like Gambit or Cyclops, then the closest actual clothing was called a chaperon - although that is a much looser mantle-and-cowl arrangement than what you see in a comic, so it's close-topped. When it's open-topped, the closest thing to that sort of fitted head-and-neck covering you might see is a wimple (like nuns or medieval women wore).
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Jan 5, 2015 23:02
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Yeah, it's funny that we go on about Liefeld's pouches but at least superfluous pouches are still hypothetically functional, that cut-up balaclava thing is both utterly useless and just weird as a fashion accessory, Lee apparently invented it from whole cloth (  ) just for the 90s.
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Jan 5, 2015 23:15
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Closest thing I can think of would be amateur wrestling headgear. I guess it's supposed to continue the costume up to the head without concealing the face or hair. They still don't look as silly as whatever the hell Kirby gave Scarlet Witch.
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Jan 5, 2015 23:45
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A Tin Of Beans posted:
I swear Saitama in Onepunch Man has worn just that outfit a couple times...not that I can find a picture of it however. His normal costume has just the right amount of  for the comic.   
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Jan 6, 2015 00:08
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If I could beat up anybody in a single punch I wouldn't have even taken that much effort. My costume'd be like, a terrycloth robe and lounge pants.
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Jan 6, 2015 00:20
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Waterhaul posted:Those were all awesome costumes Even if elements of it are dumb, I really do like cartoon/90s Cyclops more than any of the full bodysuit versions I've ever seen. No Scott, putting an X on your face does not make the body condom cool, just stop trying to make it work already. poo poo, young time-displaced Cyclops has a better costume. 
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Jan 6, 2015 01:30
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McSpanky posted:If I could beat up anybody in a single punch I wouldn't have even taken that much effort. My costume'd be like, a terrycloth robe and lounge pants. He's a superhero for fun so he at least puts in a little effort into making a costume.
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Jan 6, 2015 01:30
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redbackground posted:I've seen "headsock" used a lot. What the gently caress is that thing on Havok's head anyway? 
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Jan 6, 2015 01:59
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According to the Rachel and Miles Explain the X-Men, it was to mind control him.
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Jan 6, 2015 02:48
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A Tin Of Beans posted:Also a superhero in sweatpants and a tank-top would be pretty funny to me, as a one-off character idea. Tank Top Tiger and his brother, Tank Top Black Hole. He's called that because he wears a black tank top   And they picked a fight with Saitama, with inevitable consequences. 
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Jan 6, 2015 03:28
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Endless Mike posted:According to the Rachel and Miles Explain the X-Men, it was to mind control him. I think Say Nothing was more referring to the cowl shape where it looks like he cut out the eyes of an old Spider-man costume.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:35
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Balls, now I have to remember where I left off with OnePunch Man.
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McSpanky posted:Yeah, it's funny that we go on about Liefeld's pouches but at least superfluous pouches are still hypothetically functional, that cut-up balaclava thing is both utterly useless and just weird as a fashion accessory, Lee apparently invented it from whole cloth ( Booster Gold has been wearing very similar headgear since 1987, complete with goggles. The Atom wore something similar in the late '80s, and Animal Man and Steve Ditko's Starman (Prince Gavyn) had them when they first appeared in the '70s.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:41
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TwoPair posted:Even if elements of it are dumb, I really do like cartoon/90s Cyclops more than any of the full bodysuit versions I've ever seen. No Scott, putting an X on your face does not make the body condom cool, just stop trying to make it work already. poo poo, young time-displaced Cyclops has a better costume. The X on the face is his visor. It's just rarely drawn that way. You can't blame him for not knowing how to make anything that isn't shaped like an X.
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Jan 6, 2015 04:02
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Ghostlight posted:That's new. When he was introduced it was just a device that made his costume repel cosmic rays. Was this because his energy absorbing power would just explode out of control if he didn't have it? That sort of almost makes sense.
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NotAnArtist posted:Balls, now I have to remember where I left off with OnePunch Man.
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Jan 6, 2015 05:05
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Ashcans posted:I think that Gambit is king of the topless mask look. His hair hangs out, his face is uncovered, and it even has little slots for his ears to poke out. What is the point of it? Uh... it's to look cool? 
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Jan 6, 2015 05:05
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Tiggum posted:Uh... it's to look cool? Gambit just can't rock that poo poo like Booster Gold does. 
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Jan 6, 2015 05:10
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Nevvy Z posted:Was this because his energy absorbing power would just explode out of control if he didn't have it? That sort of almost makes sense. The circles on the chest measured his power levels, but they didn't do actually do anything other than make for a really great way to draw his powers in a way that wasn't just beams and explosions.
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Jan 6, 2015 05:19
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Ghostlight posted:It's because Trask - who designed and gave him the suit - decided to include a remote-control button that would negate his powers just in case he got uppity. Havok even tells Iceman that as much as he'd like it to his suit doesn't negate his powers right before Trask uses it to negate his powers. I don't think it was ever mentioned again despite Havok following the Summers' tradition of angsting over his powers. Huh, I thought First Class' "chest version of Scott's visor" thing was actually adapted from the comics and not a unique development.
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Jan 6, 2015 06:29
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Wanamingo posted:Gambit just can't rock that poo poo like Booster Gold does. Well, Booster's blonde hair and the glasses helps the color-coordination factor and he pulls it off much better. Gambit is all over the place, color-wise, and that's why the headsock looks bad. Aphrodite posted:The X on the face is his visor. It's just rarely drawn that way. I know the X is his visor, but much like Havok's circles, functionality doesn't make it less dumb looking.
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Jan 6, 2015 07:09
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TwoPair posted:Well, Booster's blonde hair and the glasses helps the color-coordination factor and he pulls it off much better. Gambit is all over the place, color-wise, and that's why the headsock looks bad. Also there's the fact that Booster Gold is supposed to look like a douchebag.
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Jan 6, 2015 07:48
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fatherboxx posted:Jim Lee had an obsession with that strange headgear Is that a Muton in the background? Makes sense.
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Jan 6, 2015 09:53
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Ashcans posted:I think that Gambit is king of the topless mask look. His hair hangs out, his face is uncovered, and it even has little slots for his ears to poke out. What is the point of it? I personally think that he has a really pudgy face and he wears it to try and give his cheekbones some definition. Thanks to the wonders of cosplay we can actually check to see whether that works in the real world! After  Although that doesn't seem to apply to every case:  Note that the headsock might also be problematic if you're too thin: 
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Jan 6, 2015 10:47
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zoux posted:Is there an actual term for that style of headgear? Not being able to draw different faces and needing a quick and easy way to differentiate characters in closeup?
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Jan 6, 2015 11:52
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Who was the first headsock wearer in comics history? Which artist invented it?
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Jan 6, 2015 14:27
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I think it may be Animal Man, drawn by Carmine Infantino and later Jack Sparling- he had one as early as 1965. The Grant Morrison reboot series may actually responsible for the whole "Leather jacket over spandex" costume thing from the nineties, to add to his sins. Buddy Baker is responsible for terrible things.
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Jan 6, 2015 14:42
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Wasn't the original Captain Marvel an early example too? Dunno if he had that look in his first appearance (1967), but he had it by 1973.
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Jan 6, 2015 15:26
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Starman had an open faced cowl back in 1941: ... which was pretty much riffing off the scifi helmets from the late 1920s:  (That Aug 1928 Amazing Stories magazine featured the first Buck Rogers story but the cover art was for some other character) Captain Atom had an open top cowl back in 1960:  None of them are exactly the same as Gambit's head sock but they're clearly precedents. Edit: Here's Flash Gordon wearing a headsock which is pretty similar to Gambit's 90s headsock way back in 1936 
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unseenlibrarian posted:I think it may be Animal Man, drawn by Carmine Infantino and later Jack Sparling- he had one as early as 1965. The Grant Morrison reboot series may actually responsible for the whole "Leather jacket over spandex" costume thing from the nineties, to add to his sins. At least the Grant Morrison version justifies the jacket.
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TwoPair posted:Even if elements of it are dumb, I really do like cartoon/90s Cyclops more than any of the full bodysuit versions I've ever seen. No Scott, putting an X on your face does not make the body condom cool, just stop trying to make it work already. poo poo, young time-displaced Cyclops has a better costume. Gonna just mention I hate the costumes on the young X-Men. They look like throwaway-teenage-superhero-group that shows up for one issue to fight the Teen Titans because they're boss is actually evil. The different colors make them look like Power Rangers.
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Jan 6, 2015 16:10
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Chinaman7000 posted:Gonna just mention I hate the costumes on the young X-Men. And yet it's still one of the best costume Jean Gray's ever had.
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Jan 6, 2015 16:24
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howe_sam posted:And yet it's still one of the best costume Jean Gray's ever had. I maintain the X-Men First Class (comic, not the movie) costume is better.   It's a pretty neat modernisation of the original costumes if you ask me. Why couldn't they have dug out those instead? Actually, is that series even canon any more? I also kind of like the tweaked version of the Phoenix costume they did for MUA2 (although it might bit a bit too Jim Lee with the lines for some people's tastes): 
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Jan 6, 2015 17:27
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Let's talk about Psylocke's costume. This one is a definite improvement over the butt-floss outfit above. 
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Jan 7, 2015 00:42
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TwoPair posted:Even if elements of it are dumb, I really do like cartoon/90s Cyclops more than any of the full bodysuit versions I've ever seen. No Scott, putting an X on your face does not make the body condom cool, just stop trying to make it work already. poo poo, young time-displaced Cyclops has a better costume. I don't know about this one. It has a belt buckle but no belt.
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It is a big improvement but I think they went a little bit too far. I would have liked to see them hold onto a little more of the coloration (which I think works better with her hair and power effects) and possibly the bare shoulders and glove flair from her Jim Lee suit.
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muscles like this? posted:I don't know about this one. It has a belt buckle but no belt. He's just trying to shield his King Hippo-style weak spot outie.
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I loved Psylocke's hooded armour costume so much, and the characterization that went along with it. She wasn't a warrior, she provided tactics and support! That's pretty unique, I think. But then she became a ninja.
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