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emanresu tnuocca posted:Shlomo Sand Claiming Jews are Khazars is not just empirically wrong, it's also horrifically racist and used to justify some reprehensible beliefs. It's also profoundly stupid when they could just as easily claim there was massive intermarriage with Europeans and no one would really bat an eye.
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Jan 6, 2015 03:59
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Kim Jong Il posted:Claiming Jews are Khazars is not just empirically wrong, it's also horrifically racist and used to justify some reprehensible beliefs. It's also profoundly stupid when they could just as easily claim there was massive intermarriage with Europeans and no one would really bat an eye. It's a bit of a tick among this type of antisemite. Like when racists can't stop calling the President Barack Hussein Obama.
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Jan 6, 2015 04:13
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My Imaginary GF posted:If it advances American interests and plays at home, its legal. American interests in the Middle East would be best advanced by the American ambassador to Tel Aviv walking into the Knesset flanked by a dozen Marines, shooting the Prime Minister in the face and advising the remainder of the Knesset that their services would no longer be required and that the governmental functions of the State of Israel would henceforth be discharged by the US Embassy. Somehow I doubt you advocate this position.
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Jan 6, 2015 04:37
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:American interests in the Middle East would be best advanced by the American ambassador to Tel Aviv walking into the Knesset flanked by a dozen Marines, shooting the Prime Minister in the face and advising the remainder of the Knesset that their services would no longer be required and that the governmental functions of the State of Israel would henceforth be discharged by the US Embassy. Somehow I doubt you advocate this position. How the gently caress would that advance American interests? Again, individuals in this thread come up with "kill Jews" as a solution to terrorism in the Mid-East.
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Jan 6, 2015 04:42
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:American interests in the Middle East would be best advanced by the American ambassador to Tel Aviv walking into the Knesset flanked by a dozen Marines, shooting the Prime Minister in the face and advising the remainder of the Knesset that their services would no longer be required and that the governmental functions of the State of Israel would henceforth be discharged by the US Embassy. Somehow I doubt you advocate this position. That hardly advances American interests at all beyond disassociating us from Israel's belligerence, and there are way cheaper ways to go about that. Heck, we don't even have to stop quietly supporting their covert work, conspiracy theories will blame the CIA for everything from "Khameini assassinated by half-Israeli ex-Marine" to "tsunami strikes Oman".
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Jan 6, 2015 04:49
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My Imaginary GF posted:How the gently caress would that advance American interests? Again, individuals in this thread come up with "kill Jews" as a solution to terrorism in the Mid-East. USS Liberty, blah blah blah nuke Israel. This is the kind of dialogue you invoke, btw. America doesn't have any interests in Israel.
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Jan 6, 2015 04:55
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My Imaginary GF posted:How the gently caress would that advance American interests? Again, individuals in this thread come up with "kill Jews" as a solution to terrorism in the Mid-East. But there is no distinction between American and Israeli interests. Therefore, it is a waste of resource for Israel to conduct its own governmental business, when greater economies of scale can easily be obtained by removing timewasters and parasites.
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Jan 6, 2015 04:57
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/01/us-opposes-israeli-freeze-pa-tax-revenues-20151614832204731.htmlquote:But she renewed US warnings that any move by the Palestinians to take action against Israeli officials and military leaders at the ICC could have "implications" for US aid to the Palestinian Authority. This is some fuckshit.
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Jan 6, 2015 05:08
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A. Beaverhausen posted:fuckshit noun. Something really loving stupid and lame and smelly. Notable examples: Rush Limbaugh. US policy towards the I/P "situation". Reality television.
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Jan 6, 2015 05:10
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A. Beaverhausen posted:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/01/us-opposes-israeli-freeze-pa-tax-revenues-20151614832204731.html I know! Its like everyone was telling Abbas not to seek ICC membership, and he just didn't listen.
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Jan 6, 2015 05:13
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A. Beaverhausen posted:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/01/us-opposes-israeli-freeze-pa-tax-revenues-20151614832204731.html Is it really surprising though? Every few months another story like this pops up where Israel insists on freezing PA tax revenue for "reason" and the US tells the PA don't pursue this strategy for "reason". I'm honestly not sure how this latest series of sanctions would change the dynamic all that much.
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Jan 6, 2015 05:22
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RandomPauI posted:Is it really surprising though? Every few months another story like this pops up where Israel insists on freezing PA tax revenue for "reason" and the US tells the PA don't pursue this strategy for "reason". I'm honestly not sure how this latest series of sanctions would change the dynamic all that much. I dunno, it's just that the US giving Palestine the "That's a real pretty horse" business for them daring to go through the steps to make Israel pay for actual war crimes leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Jan 6, 2015 05:34
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A. Beaverhausen posted:I dunno, it's just that the US giving Palestine the "That's a real pretty horse" business for them daring to go through the steps to make Israel pay for actual war crimes leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Gee, that's a nice $400 million in annual aid you're getting, would be a shame if you crossed a political redline on continuation of that aid. Good luck getting the arab states to donate $400 million to you annually. Next time you come begging for a handout, you may not like the new conditions that we've attached. And to think, if you'd only listened to us, this could have been avoided. Well, have fun with your austerity. We'll continue to do great business with Israel. Folks in this thread really haven't considered Israeli response to terrorist attacks through a new monetary theory framework to calculate the economic growth and multipliers to the American economy of every shell fired against terrorist targets in Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Jan 6, 2015 |
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Jan 6, 2015 05:38
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A. Beaverhausen posted:I dunno, it's just that the US giving Palestine the "That's a real pretty horse" business for them daring to go through the steps to make Israel pay for actual war crimes leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's always been that way, though. No one in the world take the US seriously when it comes to Israel.
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Jan 6, 2015 06:09
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My Imaginary GF posted:I know! Its like everyone was telling Abbas not to seek ICC membership, and he just didn't listen. "everyone" lol
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Jan 6, 2015 06:43
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My Imaginary GF posted:Next time you come begging for a handout, you may not like the new conditions that we've attached. All of the "handouts" are basically to Israel, in the form of weapons and cleanup of whatever they happen to break with those weapons. Calling repairing some of the damage that our weapons did to Palestine a handout is disingenuous at best.
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Jan 6, 2015 06:51
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A. Beaverhausen posted:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/01/us-opposes-israeli-freeze-pa-tax-revenues-20151614832204731.html The quote is honestly a lot less lovely in context! The full article is about the US denouncing the tax freeze by Israel, but includes the administration pointing out that a Republican-led Congress is going to be debating spending bills soon and the State Department won't be able to do anything if Congress decides to freeze aid so the PA probably shouldn't push it too hard right now.
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Jan 6, 2015 06:53
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My Imaginary GF posted:I know! Its like everyone was telling Abbas not to seek ICC membership, and he just didn't listen. Oh, and you're a person with dogshit for a soul, BTW.
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Jan 6, 2015 07:07
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Main Paineframe posted:The quote is honestly a lot less lovely in context! The full article is about the US denouncing the tax freeze by Israel, but includes the administration pointing out that a Republican-led Congress is going to be debating spending bills soon and the State Department won't be able to do anything if Congress decides to freeze aid so the PA probably shouldn't push it too hard right now. Not only that, if the PA pushes right now, their government will collapse and either Netanyahu or Bennett will own the issues arising in West Bank. Pray Bennett does not end up owning the West Bank. It's something which no party will like; its something America can readily live with and make money off of. InequalityGodzilla posted:Oh, and you're a person with dogshit for a soul, BTW. I have the heart of a Democrat, with the soul of a Republican. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Jan 6, 2015 |
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Jan 6, 2015 07:09
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My Imaginary GF posted:I have the heart of a Democrat, with the soul of a Republican. With the brain of a 12 year old with fetal alcohol syndrome.
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Jan 6, 2015 07:16
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After reading MIGF's posts in this thread I'm not convinced he has any kind of soul. To keep this thread wandering toward relevance, have the polls shifted much so far, or is the election cruising to the expected outcome?
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Jan 6, 2015 07:32
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My Imaginary GF posted:I have the heart of a Democrat, with the soul of a Republican.
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Jan 6, 2015 07:37
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I really really don't think he actually believes what he posts...
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Jan 6, 2015 07:38
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At this point I've stopped caring whether or not he genuinely believes it. He disgusts me, regardless of whether he's a troll or just an all around terrible human being.
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Jan 6, 2015 07:52
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Dolash posted:After reading MIGF's posts in this thread I'm not convinced he has any kind of soul. He has failed the Voight-Kampf test in this very thread!
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Jan 6, 2015 09:08
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Kim Jong Il posted:Claiming Jews are Khazars is not just empirically wrong, it's also horrifically racist and used to justify some reprehensible beliefs. It's also profoundly stupid when they could just as easily claim there was massive intermarriage with Europeans and no one would really bat an eye. Did you actually read the book?
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Jan 6, 2015 09:39
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My Imaginary GF posted:If it advances American interests and plays at home, its legal. What American interest is advanced through a policy that breeds resent against the USA?
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Jan 6, 2015 09:41
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Cat Mattress posted:What American interest is advanced through a policy that breeds resent against the USA? The rapture?
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Jan 6, 2015 09:45
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My Imaginary GF posted:How the gently caress would that advance American interests? Again, individuals in this thread come up with "kill Jews" as a solution to terrorism in the Mid-East. How doesn't it advance American interests? It increases American influence, gets a wayward client under control, stops us having to give money to someone who isn't doing exactly as we say.
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Jan 6, 2015 11:38
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The truth is that the Israel city-state always has loving crazy quests to keep it's Influence points up, so most players have given up on dealing it, but for some reason the American players has decided he's going to keep it as an ally at all loving costs.
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Jan 6, 2015 11:56
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A. Beaverhausen posted:I really really don't think he actually believes what he posts... Someone does though. It's probably easier if you think of posters arguing against that person rather than MIGF if you don't believe he's genuine. Either way, it's entertaining.
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Jan 6, 2015 16:30
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Oh my God oh man. You literally cannot be Jewish enough or white enough to walk around in Israel. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.635487#.VKvEFAh3fVQ
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Jan 6, 2015 16:34
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Could we get a post of the actual text? Haaretz is behind a paywall or something.
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Jan 6, 2015 18:01
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InequalityGodzilla posted:Could we get a post of the actual text? Haaretz is behind a paywall or something. From the summary, looks like a famous black Jew getting hassled by airport security, presumably because they doubted his Jewishness because of his skin color?
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Jan 6, 2015 18:12
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Main Paineframe posted:From the summary, looks like a famous black Jew getting hassled by airport security, presumably because they doubted his Jewishness because of his skin color? This is exactly the case even though he had paperwork, Jewish ID, was just at a major event thing as a guest of honor, won a full Birthright grant via writing a huge true believer essay about the Birthright program, etc. Weird apparently if you link Haaretz or share it via social media it doesn't give you the paywall/subscribe thing. Either way here's the full text: "Haaretz posted:He teaches Hebrew in Jewish schools in the United States, underwent an Orthodox conversion to Judaism and has been profiled in major Jewish newspapers everywhere (including Haaretz, on December 19, 2014). He was in Israel during Hanukkah as a special guest of the Jewish Film Festival held at the Jerusalem Cinematheque. But when Michael Twitty arrived at Ben-Gurion Airport to fly back to the U.S. he was interrogated rudely, his Judaism was called into question, his personal effects were taken from him – and he seethed with anger and humiliation. One interesting trend I noticed in the comments, is that apparently if you're a white, NON-Jewish person you get questioned the least at Ben Gurion. If you're Jewish at all but not lily-white you get hyper questioned to see if you're a Jewish enough person. Anyone have any actual information about that?
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Jan 6, 2015 18:22
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Main Paineframe posted:From the summary, looks like a famous black Jew getting hassled by airport security, presumably because they doubted his Jewishness because of his skin color? Pretty much. On an entirely different tack: I'm not sure if anyone noticed it, being busy arguing with MIGF and all, but the Israelis living around Gaza are very displeased with the security provided to them by the IDF and the government. About a week ago they abruptly decided that IDF soldiers stationed around there will be leaving due to budget concerns. However, when some of the locals wanted to march around to an area around the tunnel where Hamas operatives came in during Protective Edge, the head of central command declared the area a closed military zone, allegedly because he deemed it unsafe for civilians. That's right, the IDF simultaneously doesn't think the area is dangerous enough to merit increased IDF presence, but does consider it dangerous enough to curtail freedom of expression. 
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Jan 6, 2015 18:23
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The Emperor Has No Budget. Don't worry, I'm sure we'll send them another $250 million soon enough. 
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Jan 6, 2015 18:26
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Neo Rasa posted:One interesting trend I noticed in the comments, is that apparently if you're a white, NON-Jewish person you get questioned the least at Ben Gurion. If you're Jewish at all but not lily-white you get hyper questioned to see if you're a Jewish enough person. Anyone have any actual information about that? It's kind of like if the "national homeland for all Jews" rhetorics was nothing but a thin disguise over institutional racism.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Pretty much. Looks like they feel that the populated areas are fortified and/or secured enough to ward off any likely Hamas incursion without the need for an active soldier presence, but that it might still be dangerous for people to leave those towns to go march around the exit of a tunnel right next to the border. It does make some sense - it's highly unlikely that a Hamas army is going to stream through an incursion tunnel and commit to armed invasions of nearby towns, but a small group of people wandering around next to the tunnel might be making themselves extremely obvious targets for kidnapping. Just look at the pictures of the march - there is nothing around them as far as the eye can see, except for some barely-visible trees in the far-off distance. There's no reason for people to be out there, so the area hasn't been secured the way the populated areas have been.
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