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Genocyber posted:Chapters should be as long as they need to be. I'm trying to think of a certain well-known author that had chapters be w/e length (sometimes just a paragraph or two) but I can't remember who I'm thinking of. Dan Brown?
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This chapter almost needs to be watched, yeah.
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Jan 4, 2015 09:18
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Patrick Rothfuss does it. Has like 80 chapters in a book, but like 5 of them are less then a page, and another 10 are less then 2 pages. Edit: because I don't think I've posted in the thread yet, I've been loving the LP. Thank you for doing it.
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Oxxidation posted:Once upon a time, there was a poor child, with no father and no mother, and everything was dead. No one was left in the whole world. Everything was dead. The plot to Majora's Mask, ladies and gentlemen! Tom Waits's voice is like the saddest blender full of gravel.
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Jan 4, 2015 09:21
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Baron Snow posted:Patrick Rothfuss does it. Has like 80 chapters in a book, but like 5 of them are less then a page, and another 10 are less then 2 pages. True but he, and the Hitchhiker's example mentioned, did it specifically to parody the concept of chapters in the first place. Rothfuss went on record saying his editor actually forced him to put chapters in, so he did it that way as a joke.
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Jan 4, 2015 11:08
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Man, This is really all just a little bit much for Lucas, isn't it? Just when he thought he'd done something huge, it all went away.
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Jan 4, 2015 11:55
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You walk around a bit, and that's pretty much it. You actually need to walk up a bit too, walking only left will keep you stuck in a loop where nothing happens, as I found out. Also, I'll try to record a video for this part in a bit, since it is pretty drat hard to really convey it in screenshots, especially when choosing not to do commentary for the scene. Also, for those curious, since this chapter is so short, Chapter 7 ends up being around twice as long as every other chapter we've had so far, and probably longer than that since there's a lot going on. Chapter 8 should be around the same length as the others, probably a bit longer since it's the final chapter and all.
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Jan 4, 2015 13:34
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ArchWizard posted:There was a chapter in one of the Hitchhiker's trilogy books that was half a page long. William Faulkner's As I Lay Dying features a chapter that's five words long.
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Jan 4, 2015 15:59
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Mega64 posted:You walk around a bit, and that's pretty much it. You actually need to walk up a bit too, walking only left will keep you stuck in a loop where nothing happens, as I found out. That chapter is way better when you don't "speedrun it" and just walk left in a seemingly endless sunflower field for a bit, and when you actually play the game.
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Jan 4, 2015 16:18
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Got a video up. I'll add it to the update too. http://polsy.org.uk/play/yt/?vurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_Hn4DxBvDSg
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Jan 4, 2015 16:29
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In Japanese culture, it's typical to see a field of flowers during a near-death experience. It's kind of like "going toward the light" in western culture. In Lucas's case, it's a field of sunflowers, because Hinawa.
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Jan 4, 2015 17:50
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How Ingratiating! posted:In Japanese culture, it's typical to see a field of flowers during a near-death experience. It's kind of like "going toward the light" in western culture. In Lucas's case, it's a field of sunflowers, because Hinawa. And just think, it's all Rope Snake's fault.
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Jan 4, 2015 18:13
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Actually its all those big city burgers and pork chip bags fault.
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Jan 4, 2015 18:23
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How Ingratiating! posted:In Japanese culture, it's typical to see a field of flowers during a near-death experience. It's kind of like "going toward the light" in western culture. In Lucas's case, it's a field of sunflowers, because Hinawa. And suddenly, the location of the final battle against the Boss in MGS3 makes that much more sense to me. 
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Jan 4, 2015 18:34
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Yapping Eevee posted:...That was meant to be sad?
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Jan 4, 2015 20:20
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Even in screenshots, this chapter still gets me. Just like the scene with Flint breaking down, it's utterly amazing just how much emotion can be conveyed in 2D, 16-bit sprites of characters.Yapping Eevee posted:I mean, I understand that Lucas saw an illusion of his Mother. And then he was so desperate to reach her that he flat-out flung himself off a cliff. Like a total dingus. Well, I'm sure being blinded by grief is part of it, but while we see that the end of the cliff is where it is because as the audience, we have a top-down view, Lucas probably only sees Hinawa, the sky and a seemingly endless field of sunflowers. Yeah, the sunflowers end, but from Lucas' point of view, he's probably not even looking at the ground anymore and his vision is tunneled on his dead mother, and it's probably only when he sees his mother getting further away that he realizes he's falling. Remember, Lucas is a kid. A likely more mature and much braver kid than could probably be expected of him, but a kid all the same. A kid who just wants to see his mom again. Edit: Shortly after posting this, I realized that with the similarities between Ness and Lucas, the biggest difference is that while Ness could talk to his mother at any time as long as he's in a town with a phone, Lucas can't, which makes Lucas' character that much more tragic. I know that's obvious now, and was probably mentioned before, but this literally just occurred to me. DetectiveDorian fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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Jan 4, 2015 20:27
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I'm going to be a complete asshat here... but I found the scene kind of funny. Lucas leaps off of the cliff like a flailing idiot because he saw an illusion of his dead mother. I'd recommend him to visit a psychiatrist, if it weren't for the fact that they probably don't have them in Tazmilly. Variant_Eris fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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Jan 4, 2015 20:36
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Variant_Eris posted:I'm going to be a complete asshat here... but I found the scene kind of funny. Lucas leaps off of the cliff like a flailing idiot because he saw an illusion of his dead mother. If only Leder were still around, he was a great listener.
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Jan 4, 2015 20:48
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DetectiveDorian posted:If only Leder were still around, he was a great listener. Yeah that dude was always knows what to say.
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Jan 4, 2015 20:57
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Not to detract from the plot/emotional discussion but: I may be wrong, but I believe PK Thunder will destroy any shield in one hit.
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Jan 4, 2015 21:54
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It was certainly a lot better as a video, but it would have been even better if they'd forced you into the running full tilt animation once lucas saw the spirit of hinawa. lucas really misses his mom and suddenly he see's her, he should realistically be running as fast as possible to try to get to her.
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Jan 4, 2015 22:10
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Renzuko posted:...he should realistically be running as fast as possible to try to get to her. I agree with this. It's the only nit to pick with Chapter 6, I feel.
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Jan 5, 2015 02:39
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Can't believe that bitch made me jump off a cliff, hope she rots in hell.
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MR. J posted:Not to detract from the plot/emotional discussion but: I may be wrong, but I believe PK Thunder will destroy any shield in one hit.
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Jan 6, 2015 06:10
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He pulls the trigger, duh.
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Y-Hat posted:You are indeed wrong. PK Thunder doesn't do anything to regular shields and counters, but it bypasses PSI shields and counters entirely. This will come in handy later.
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Just adding that I didn't really get any emotional reaction from Chapter 6. It's sad and symbolic and all, but I think it's kind of a cheap tactic. Others have mentioned short chapters in novels as a literary device, which is all well and good. But Dan Brown (or Stephanie Meyer, which is who I immediately thought of with some of her "chapters" being several months of blank pages) isn't really a high standard for which to aim. Honestly the first gut-punch of Flint hearing about the Drago Fang in Hinawa's heart is still the most  for me.
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Jan 6, 2015 16:09
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Dan Brown and Stephanie Meyer use words in their books too. I don't think we should use words as a literary device anymore. Sentences are out as well.
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Waffleman_ posted:Dan Brown and Stephanie Meyer use words in their books too. I don't think we should use words as a literary device anymore. Sentences are out as well. Yes, this is clearly the logical next step based on what I didn't like about Chapter 6. 
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Jan 6, 2015 16:23
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Waffleman_ posted:Dan Brown and Stephanie Meyer use words in their books too. I don't think we should use words as a literary device anymore. Sentences are out as well. When someone buys your book you go to their house and perform a six hour interpretive freeform dance to communicate the story and it's themes to them.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:When someone buys your book you go to their house and perform a six hour interpretive freeform dance to communicate the story and it's themes to them. Exactly! Edit: I'm sayin' that it's not like Dan Brown and Meyer are the only authors who use short chapters, and it's not even like short chapters are trademarks of their works, so it's kinda silly to go "But my video game might be like Tw-Tw-Twilight!"
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Waffleman_ posted:E. L. James and Stephanie Meyer used words in their books too. I don't think we should use words as a literary device anymore. It's time to burn words to the ground. Join me.
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Waffleman_ posted:Edit: I'm sayin' that it's not like Dan Brown and Meyer are the only authors who use short chapters, and it's not even like short chapters are trademarks of their works, so it's kinda silly to go "But my video game might be like Tw-Tw-Twilight!" That's not what I'm saying either. I'm saying it's a cheap tactic, it's been done to death, and it didn't elicit any emotional reaction from me. 
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Bregor posted:it didn't elicit any emotional reaction from me. Be careful saying things like this around here, friend.
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Jan 6, 2015 19:21
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I feel the same way about chapter 6. Lucas was (is) too young to really comprehend death and process grief - it's sad but not in the same kind of heartwretching way Flint's reaction was. That's how losing someone you love works. It never hurts as much as right when it happens, but while that pain never goes away, you learn to manage it so it doesn't hurt quite so much later.
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Fister Roboto posted:
I'd link that scene from Plague Dogs but gently caress watching that scene more than I have to
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Jan 6, 2015 22:01
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Apart from unloading a shotgun into someone's face, Boney could just drink from the gun and pee on things. It's salt water ether way.
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Y-Hat posted:Oh good, Chapter 6 is next. Remember folks, no crying until the end. Kemix posted:Folks. I'ma tell you all now. This gets even -more- heart wrenching. And it's at it's peak right before the credits roll. Do you guys mind not posting stuff like this? I know its not a spoiler in the traditional sense, but it really does take something away from the experience of someone who is completely new to this game. I spent the entire Chapter 6 video waiting for the sad part, and (especially considering how weird it is) would have really preferred to go into it with no expectations or prior knowledge. It really broke my immersion. Sorry if I'm being overly sensitive, but I'd be nice if people didn't do this in the future. Edit: VVVV Eek. I was trying to be polite and ask nicely, plus there is a pretty strict spoiler policy. V  V
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Hirayuki posted:Is it still hit or miss? Break posted:Do you guys mind not posting stuff like this? Sit down, shut up, and enjoy the ride. And if posts like these prevent you from enjoying it, just filter Mega64's posts. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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