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What composting thing? I live in Portland. There are composting things all the time. I never pay then any mind and am not sure which one you mean, Miss-Bomarc.
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Miss-Bomarc posted:Have we talked about the composting thing yet? I've gone back a couple of pages and didn't see anything about it.
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Vavrek posted:What composting thing? I live in Portland. There are composting things all the time. I never pay then any mind and am not sure which one you mean, Miss-Bomarc. Seattle recently added a $1 fine if more than ~10% of your trash is food waste. FRINGE posted:How are they going to assess the fines? I think your trash man is supposed to eyeball your trash and if it looks excessive he leaves a little notification for you. Its warnings only until June or something like that.
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I'm kind of confused. How is food waste a problem when garbage disposal units are a thing? Or are they talking about food containers that generally have scraps of food in them, like pizza boxes?
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# ? Jan 5, 2015 12:28 |
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Some people don't recycle at all. This targets that behavior.
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Miss-Bomarc posted:Have we talked about the composting thing yet? I've gone back a couple of pages and didn't see anything about it. I've seen some idiots bellyaching on the news sites but no one who actually lives in Seattle has whined. We've already had compost bins provided by waste management for years. I've lived in Seattle for 10 and even my first apartment complex encouraged separating out food waste. The requirement is something that has been slowly eased into place over the years and isn't at all a surprise. There's also a similar fine that has existed for putting recyclables into your garbage for some time as well. We're above targets for % recycling which is fantastic and honestly I produce far more recyclables than straight garbage these days.
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http://reuvencarlyle36.com/2015/01/04/coasting-on-fumes-toward-low-taxes-is-this-our-vision/ The WA house finance chair posted this on his website yesterday. It's too good to edit it down so here's the whole thing. Rep. Reuven Carlyle posted:
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# ? Jan 6, 2015 07:10 |
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But if Boeing paid taxes they might get mad and write a newspiece!
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# ? Jan 6, 2015 07:15 |
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I don't think there's a broad awareness in WA, and particularly in Seattle, of just how regressive our taxes are. People just don't know. Maybe they don't want to know.
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Dang. That's a good blogpost. I could see it maybe spurring a discussion that goes to good places, but I could also see it doing nothing more than stirring up a bunch of the "anti-tax crusaders" he mentioned, who will only interpret him saying "we should raise taxes".
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The Oldest Man posted:I don't think there's a broad awareness in WA, and particularly in Seattle, of just how regressive our taxes are. People just don't know. There really isn't. I try telling people (on the internet) and I get all kinds of guff. It is frustrating. WA poors are self-oppressing poors.
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Accretionist posted:There really isn't. I try telling people (on the internet) and I get all kinds of guff. It is frustrating. WA poors are self-oppressing poors. When people tell me they still use "the news" as a source for information it hurts.
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FRINGE posted:The whole US is that way. It's less demoralizing to think locally. quote:"job creators" Eventually, we'll just call them Creators and gaze in wonderment at their hover yachts from the fields.
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Accretionist posted:It's less demoralizing to think locally.
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Accretionist posted:There really isn't. I try telling people (on the internet) and I get all kinds of guff. It is frustrating. WA poors are self-oppressing poors. Which is funny, because if you watch TVW legislators actually spend a lot of time talking about how regressive our tax structure is.
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# ? Jan 6, 2015 15:24 |
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"Should we become 40th in the nation?" A better way to put that would be "should we become Idaho?". I mean that's the choice really. Higher taxes now, or a hollow uneducated workforce later.
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I was ready to sing the praises of that little speech until he got the details about local government funding completely wrong. The state pretends to shift funding to the cities by actively trying to make them take on responsibility for more services but at every opportunity takes the revenue that would make it possible and hoards it for itself. When they passed the liquor and spirits law it cut tax revenues into city coffers by 13.6% in my city because unlike under the former laws, those funds were no longer dedicated to go to local government.
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I love (read: hate) watching WA state politicians argue about how they can fund higher education without raising taxes. Mind you, the WA state government has been found of being in contempt of court for how horribly it slashed higher education from the budget (WWU's president said state funding went from covering 70% of University expenditures to 30% in the course of two years, Christ).
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RuanGacho posted:I was ready to sing the praises of that little speech until he got the details about local government funding completely wrong. The state pretends to shift funding to the cities by actively trying to make them take on responsibility for more services but at every opportunity takes the revenue that would make it possible and hoards it for itself. When they passed the liquor and spirits law it cut tax revenues into city coffers by 13.6% in my city because unlike under the former laws, those funds were no longer dedicated to go to local government. "They" meaning the people who voted for Initiative-1183, you mean? I don't have the text before me, but the design was always to give big-box retailers the freedom to pay the more-impartial state rather than having to go through titchy local governments.
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That is a pretty good blog post. It's a shame that Reuven Carlyle only came to these conclusions now, instead of back in 2013 when he introduced the Boeing tax break bill in the legislature.
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Gerund posted:"They" meaning the people who voted for Initiative-1183, you mean? I don't have the text before me, but the design was always to give big-box retailers the freedom to pay the more-impartial state rather than having to go through titchy local governments. They, the public passed it, the state then failed to give the local governments the share of the taxes they previously got under the law. The public initiative is pretty much whatiswrongwiththecurrenttaxsystem.txt Because none of the taxes are funding services, and the public feels entitled (rightly I think) to services that help make their lives and and business easier. But no one wants to pay for it. As I've said before, of the property taxes paid in my city 9% goes to the local government, and the city lost over 13% of it's limited revenue when the law changed thanks to the way that the state government keeps snapping up revenue for itself at every opportunity to cover up their own mismanagement. That is why I disagree with the financial chair's blog, local governments somewhere might be getting more money, (He serves Seattle, maybe there?) but not mine, who only made up for the lost revenue thanks to an unrelated sales tax boon that happened just in time not to cause the city to run at a greater deficit. Thanatosian posted:That is a pretty good blog post. It's almost as if giving 8 billion dollars away for no reason has consequences
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RuanGacho posted:It's almost as if giving 8 billion dollars away for no reason has consequences Oh, don't forget: it has the consequences of Boeing laying off 2000+ high paying jobs because nobody was smart enough to demand any stipulations.
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I'm conflicted over the Boeing tax break. On one hand, they provide 60k relatively high paying jobs to the area, and support tons more jobs indirectly (a ton of their supply base is here, for example). If they left it would have been a tough blow to the economy and all the machinists would have to find new jobs, especially considering several other states were offering the same benefit. On the other hand, they do this every goddamn time and even though other states provided the tax incentive, it doesn't make it right. Also, they hosed the union over doing it too. And there wasn't another place in the US that could have done it as well as here. I guess what I'm saying is right now Boeing is a necessary evil that Puget Sound will have to deal with for many years to come.
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seiferguy posted:I love (read: hate) watching WA state politicians argue about how they can fund higher education without raising taxes. Mind you, the WA state government has been found of being in contempt of court for how horribly it slashed higher education from the budget (WWU's president said state funding went from covering 70% of University expenditures to 30% in the course of two years, Christ). They did the same to WSU. 50% cut in state funding over 2 years.
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seiferguy posted:I'm conflicted over the Boeing tax break. On one hand, they provide 60k relatively high paying jobs to the area, and support tons more jobs indirectly (a ton of their supply base is here, for example). If they left it would have been a tough blow to the economy and all the machinists would have to find new jobs, especially considering several other states were offering the same benefit. My counterpoint is that they were extremely unlikely to move production of the 777X elsewhere. They were bluffing and hoping to get as much concessions as they could from the state and citizens while breaking the union. The lack of talented and experienced workers can be seen from almost 8 years of south carolina-related fuckups (on the second 787 line) that continue to this date.
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Sounds like all the insane tax breaks and subsidizes Canada gives it's oil industry when they threaten to... drill oil somewhere else?
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Well, we've been over thrift stores and guns and dogs and GMOs, and now it is my sad duty to bring gamergate into this thread. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/01/gamergate_woman_says_online_ha.html Apparently, some of the gamergate bunch called in a hostage call to the police, with the former address of a supporter-turned-opponent of gamergate. Bonus points for Oregon Live using the phrase "ethics in video journalism" seriously.
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glowing-fish posted:Well, we've been over thrift stores and guns and dogs and GMOs, and now it is my sad duty to bring gamergate into this thread. If you support Gamergate, you literally have poo poo for brains. I've obsessively mastered Mega Man games NES and up and beaten more Final Fantasy games than you have fingers to count. Women are objects at best in most games, rarely more than sexual window dressing. This has been a problem for decades, and being addressed is cause for celebration, not outrage. I'm not saying this to anyone in particular here, almost everyone knows better.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:If you support Gamergate, you literally have poo poo for brains. Wow talk about missing the point, it's got nothing to do with feminism or women in games, it's ACTUALLY about ethics in video game journalism. (also women are all manipulative whores who won't sleep with nice guys like me)
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Tigntink posted:There's also a similar fine that has existed for putting recyclables into your garbage for some time as well. We're above targets for % recycling which is fantastic and honestly I produce far more recyclables than straight garbage these days.
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Baronjutter posted:Wow talk about missing the point, it's got nothing to do with feminism or women in games, it's ACTUALLY about ethics in video game journalism. (also women are all manipulative whores who won't sleep with nice guys like me) Actually, according to Oregon Live, it is about ethics in video journalism. Although, in this case, I don't fault old media for not being able to explain the whole thing. There are some things that we would have trouble explaining to our grandparents, and to our grandchildren. But gamer gate is pretty much impossible to explain beyond "its a collective internet tantrum".
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At a christmas party, someone asked me to explain Gamergate to her. I think she'd heard of it because of some minor celebrity getting harassed, or something. Best I came up with was something like "It was a rabid subculture backlash against the minor progress games and games-writing have made in the last couple years towards inclusivity and feminism. But they'd say it's about something else, because it was a messy shitstorm in general." There was no point in getting into the "ethics in games journalism" smokescreen, becuase well, the videogame press has always shared a bed with AAA publishers, but this debacle (when it orbited past its proported topic at all) was focused on like, indie games. Indie games getting too much unwarranted attention because of feminism and collusion or something. Oh god I'm frustrated again
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RuanGacho posted:I was ready to sing the praises of that little speech until he got the details about local government funding completely wrong. The state pretends to shift funding to the cities by actively trying to make them take on responsibility for more services but at every opportunity takes the revenue that would make it possible and hoards it for itself. When they passed the liquor and spirits law it cut tax revenues into city coffers by 13.6% in my city because unlike under the former laws, those funds were no longer dedicated to go to local government. The state isn't hoarding money; they're desperately trying to stave off service cuts themselves. Nobody has any money. The fact that sin taxes make up such a big percentage of revenues is a pathetic reflection on how we decide to tax ourselves as a state. When he talks about "local" government and taxation, he's not doing it from your perspective, either. "Local" doesn't just mean city governments; the financial pinch has forced a lot of localities towards special-purpose levies. That can fill critical needs, but it's also a good way to end up with a shiny new fire station with brand new trucks just down a torn-up road from a school with textbooks from 1983 and a city hall that can't fund itself because the city's discretionary budget is just as hosed as the state's. But, from the taxpayer perspective, they're still paying for the fire levy. seiferguy posted:I love (read: hate) watching WA state politicians argue about how they can fund higher education without raising taxes. Mind you, the WA state government has been found of being in contempt of court for how horribly it slashed higher education from the budget (WWU's president said state funding went from covering 70% of University expenditures to 30% in the course of two years, Christ). The state is in contempt for not fully funding K-12 education. The Supreme Court's ruling found that the constitutional mandate to provide for education as the highest priority does not include higher ed. As a result, the state can do fun things like establish criteria for the need grant program, then not pay the money they've promised to needy students. Better luck next decade, kids! At this point, the big state schools are barreling towards de-facto privatization. I know that UW is working towards a huge ~$200M life sciences research building funded, not by the state, but by operating dollars coming mostly from tuition with a side of research grant money. That's a massive departure from how big capital expenditures have been handled in the past; it's like the state telling the DoL that they have to raise drivers license fees to build a new office.
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Ditocoaf posted:At a christmas party, someone asked me to explain Gamergate to her. I think she'd heard of it because of some minor celebrity getting harassed, or something. Best I came up with was something like "It was a rabid subculture backlash against the minor progress games and games-writing have made in the last couple years towards inclusivity and feminism. But they'd say it's about something else, because it was a messy shitstorm in general." The easiest way to explain it is "remember Brown v. Board of Education? Gamergaters are the modern-day George Wallace."
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glowing-fish posted:I don't fault old media for not being able to explain the whole thing. There are some things that we would have trouble explaining to our grandparents, and to our grandchildren. But gamer gate is pretty much impossible to explain beyond "its a collective internet tantrum". Some woman may or may not have written bad reviews about loving video games. The shittiest spergs on the planet started threatening women because of this very important topic. It (seems to me) to be one of the biggest wastes of time and distractions from Real World poo poo in a while. What kind of people read paid-for reviews to decide what to do with their time anymore? Probably none of the people crying about how women are mean. Space Gopher posted:it's like the state telling the DoL that they have to raise drivers license fees to build a new office.
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FRINGE posted:Im about as "new media" steeped as anyone and have avoided the whole thing so much I still dont know much about it other than: Where they're at now is hilarious, though. The initial accusations were revealed as mere slander so they're just running off momentum, like Wiley E. Coyote run off a cliff. If they stop screaming, it ends. Their choice is between that and loneliness.
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Accretionist posted:Their choice is between that and loneliness. People who dont have any way/skills to figure out whats wrong "inside" act out in crazy ways to feel like they are part of something.
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FRINGE posted:It (seems to me) to be one of the biggest wastes of time and distractions from Real World poo poo in a while. It really is.
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# ? Jan 7, 2015 19:53 |
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With the exception of pointing your finger and laughing (in true SA tradition)
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Space Gopher posted:The state isn't hoarding money; they're desperately trying to stave off service cuts themselves. Nobody has any money. The fact that sin taxes make up such a big percentage of revenues is a pathetic reflection on how we decide to tax ourselves as a state. I'm fully aware of the special districts that have been created, but the whole point is the state legislature are the ones who can change how the purse works and every chance they get they rob essential funding from local governments to cover their own ineptitude and malfeasance. On paper it looks like they're funding everything but local tax dollars vanish and services and infrastructure degrade and fade. Washington needs no better example of how all the bums need to be thrown out than the fact that the Dems are trying to raise revenues with a Tax Increase on Gas. So not only do they pick a consumer good, a regressive tax to fix their budget issues, they pick the one thing that we as a society have set out to use as efficiently as possible. Our current issues funding transportation should be evidence enough but nooooo. As I said, people are bitching in my town about how their taxes went up in the same letters to the editor that they acknowledge they voted and passed a school bond. The problem is the people who are actually voted into office are the same caliber of thinkers.
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