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Kurtofan posted:Who the gently caress Islam? That is blasphemy!
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Kurtofan posted:That's what one of the attacker shouted. After he shot a muslim no less
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Why is it so appalling to say that you should only do something you know a lot of people find offensive if the offense serves a point? Is it really that hard to not be a dick for no reason? Again. There is no offence in simply drawing Mohammed. Do you really think there are many people who feel offended because someone doesn't follow one particular rule of their religion? Maybe regular people actually take offence at the (perceived) message of the cartoon, not just one detail of its execution? No, I guess this is impossible. That's why neutral portrayals of the prophet also face such a strong opposition from millions of Muslims, not just cartoons and films where he is portrayed in a negative light.
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Jan 10, 2015 23:40
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How's that Russian economy doing by the way Cam?
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:After he shot a muslim no less And that's the person Cam chose to speak for, to boot. Nenonen posted:That is blasphemy! I would say this is bad grammar 
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Jan 10, 2015 23:42
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I like this. Let's just post this from now on instead of other CH cartoons.
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Wait... So US newspapers aren't actually prining CH cartoons out of solidarity? Because that's what a lot of newspapers in socialist Germany are doing.
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Jan 11, 2015 00:02
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Does anyone have a link to the Dees cat-throw vid?
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Jan 11, 2015 00:09
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This is quite cool, I thought you drew it for a minute. Anyway, the best political cartoon of the year so far is a police sketch of the guy they are trying to catch for the bombing:  Generic whiteman with shades.
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Gilganixon posted:Anyway, the best political cartoon of the year so far is a police sketch of the guy they are trying to catch for the bombing:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1qKzIsisU&t=21s
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Gilganixon posted:Generic whiteman with shades. Baldo "The Cheeks" Shadesdude, First Hero of the New American Revolution
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Jan 11, 2015 00:15
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Xander77 posted:I think there's a bunch of research indicating that police sketches are generally worthless? Like "the top sketchers couldn't draw a recognizable celebrity when described from a reference photo" worthless? They did manage to draw an exceptionally good spud wearing glasses just now, so don't knock them too hard. I think you're right though, the police sketchers probably exist to give people the impression that some important police work is happening while they wait for something to come up.
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Xander77 posted:I think there's a bunch of research indicating that police sketches are generally worthless? Like "the top sketchers couldn't draw a recognizable celebrity when described from a reference photo" worthless? It looks more or less like "generic neonazi militiaman" to a point where it's probably sort of worthless, but at least it doesn't look too far from some of them.
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Jan 11, 2015 00:18
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If it caused no harm or damage, then it's just as well it goes without much publicity. Let the police catch the guy, but don't give him the satisfaction of leaving a mark.
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Jan 11, 2015 00:18
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Gilganixon posted:This is quite cool, I thought you drew it for a minute. has anyone seen matt yglesias recently
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I like how his head just kinda sliiiid over to meet the guy.
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Jan 11, 2015 00:35
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Gilganixon posted:This is quite cool, I thought you drew it for a minute.  dril, no....
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I like how his head just kinda sliiiid over to meet the guy. I didn't even notice this until you pointed it out and now it's all I can see, dear god
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Jan 11, 2015 00:59
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Wow, his upper lip is dead on.
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Angepain posted:I didn't even notice this until you pointed it out and now it's all I can see, dear god It's the giant Sir Robin ran from, except it seems to have lost its other two heads.
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Jan 11, 2015 01:06
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The problem with images of Mohamed is that they could become objects of veneration, instead of venerating god (essentially no graven images). A lot of Muslim cultures depicted Mohamed in art, usually with his face blanked by a veil as a sort of workaround to not producing icons of him. Persian  Turkish The stringency of the "no depiction ever" only happened recently with the cartoons in 2005 (like the well known bomb-turban one) due to the reaction in provoked in the Muslim world. I mean Wahhabists were already there but the perception of the universality of the rule is not something that has that much historical presence. I think that you have to be careful assuming that depictions of Mohamed are this timeless offense, since in context the real source of the anger is hard to disentangle from the broader animosity spawned by the War on Terror. Personally I don't think that depictions of the prophet must inherently be an attack on the Muslim community, and as much as I hate to quote South Park, but they did make the point that when they depicted Mohamed in their show in July, 2001 no one reacted the way they did in 2005. The issues surrounding it right now have as much to do with the fact that many countries in the West are still/have become very hostile to Muslims in the last decade. I think the fact that people are reacting like this is a bigger issue: Munin posted:This is what we should be shouting about and decrying from the rooftops: My biggest worry with the reactions of solidarity is that they turn into a cover for once again otherizing Muslims, and painting them as all humorless extremists out to quash our precious freedoms.
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My wife saw Craig Thompson talk about his book Habibi and he said in researching the book, he basically came to the same conclusion--that drawing Muhammad was OK as long as he had like a veil or something else obstructing his face. I can't find his book at the moment, but I'm pretty sure he included Muhammad and hasn't really faced any criticism or threats for that.
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Jan 11, 2015 01:37
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Mohammad is basically Wilson from Home Improvement. Got it.
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Is it just me, or when extremists commit atrocities "for the sake of the Prophet", doesn't that in some ways raise him to idol-like status, which is the entire point of drawings of him not being permissible in the first place?
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Jan 11, 2015 01:43
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JT Jag posted:Is it just me, or when extremists commit atrocities "for the sake of the Prophet", doesn't that in some ways raise him to idol-like status, which is the entire point of drawings of him not being permissible in the first place?
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They understand quite a lot actually. Hint: They actually don't give a poo poo about Muhammad 
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Gilganixon posted:This is quite cool, I thought you drew it for a minute. Naw. Keith Knight's more talented than I am
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Zeroisanumber posted:I never looked into the history of why Muslims decided that depicting Mohammed is blasphemous, but I always figured that it was a part of Orthodox Christianity's Iconoclast leanings that the Turks absorbed into their DNA after they conquered Byzantium. The veil was certainly popularized by the Ottoman court. From a while ago, but no one else seemed to notice how backwards this is (probably because this is a thread about cartoons?). The Orthodox iconoclasm of the 8th century was a reaction to the Muslim iconoclasm of the 7th century. Islam has had an intense disdain for idolatry from its inception (destroying the images of the old tribal gods was one of the things that made it possible to unite Arabia culturally and politically), and they accused Christian icons of saints of being very much the same. After the Byzantines lost the Middle East in a terrifyingly short period of time, many Christians in the east began to wonder if maybe the Muslims had a point. Acropolis posted:Wow, his upper lip is dead on. The nose is pretty good too. 
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I thought you were a good guy, Vin.
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Duckbag posted:From a while ago, but no one else seemed to notice how backwards this is (probably because this is a thread about cartoons?). The Orthodox iconoclasm of the 8th century was a reaction to the Muslim iconoclasm of the 7th century. Islam has had an intense disdain for idolatry from its inception (destroying the images of the old tribal gods was one of the things that made it possible to unite Arabia culturally and politically), and they accused Christian icons of saints of being very much the same. After the Byzantines lost the Middle East in a terrifyingly short period of time, many Christians in the east began to wonder if maybe the Muslims had a point. I come here for the cartoons but I stay for the history lessons. Last year was a bit Great War themed, more medieval history this time round would be great thanks.
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He forgot to add "A political caroonist thinks they're clever by doing a 'hot takes cartoon'". We get a cartoon like this after pretty much any kind of tragedy.
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