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Family Values posted:What the gently caress? It's not really any worse than other federal preemption a against state action. The decision itself actually ruled that the foie gras ban constituted a regulation of poultry ingredients as defined by the Poultry Products Inspection Act, which are explicitly preempted by that law. EDIT: Leperflesh posted:The egg legislation is probably a better model for CA to deal with unethical treatment of fois gras birds anyway: create a baseline for ethical treatment of ducks/geese/etc., and then ban products that don't meet that baseline. Presumably, the reasoning used in this case would still apply and that alternate regulation would still be ruled unenforceable as an illegal additional regulation on poultry ingredients. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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ComradeCosmobot posted:It's not really any worse than other federal preemption a against state action. The decision itself actually ruled that the foie gras ban constituted a regulation of poultry ingredients as defined by the Poultry Products Inspection Act, which are explicitly preempted by that law. Huh. That seems like a pretty reaching federal law, right there. I wonder why the egg legislation isn't within its reach? Maybe eggs aren't considered "poultry ingredients."
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Leperflesh posted:Huh. That seems like a pretty reaching federal law, right there. I wonder why the egg legislation isn't within its reach? Maybe eggs aren't considered "poultry ingredients." Maybe it is within its limits? I remember in the initial article posted here it said several egg producers had submitted legal challenges, but there was no info on what grounds. Maybe the egg law is doomed to the same fate.
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Jan 8, 2015 02:39
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Zeitgueist posted:30 years until Los Angeles, a city that's probably a top 30 world economy on it's own, gets an okay metro rail system If LA had a metro I would burn my car and dance around it.
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Jan 8, 2015 03:50
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By metro I mean a good one.
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drilldo squirt posted:By metro I mean a good one. Hey now, they're expanding it so that the rich people in SM can go visit the rich people downtown.
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Jan 8, 2015 03:53
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Zeitgueist posted:Hey now, they're expanding it so that the rich people in SM can go visit the rich people downtown. To be fair there weren't rich people downtown until they built the metro.
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Jan 8, 2015 05:20
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Zeitgueist posted:Hey now, they're expanding it so that the rich people in SM can go visit the rich people downtown. http://media.metro.net/riding_metro/maps/images/rail_map.pdf There is already rail access in some of the poorer areas. Trying to remove the twice week-daily (or continual) crush that occurs on the 10 is not a hand job to the rich. The metro line also serves areas in South Central. Given my druthers though, I would ask for at least twice as much rail.
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Jan 12, 2015 18:11
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I mostly just want the Blue Line to make it all the way to Union Station, so I can ride Pacific Surfliner from SLO to LA, then hop on the Blue Line to Long Beach, without having to ride two stops on the Red/Purple Line, then pay a second fare to get on Blue. (I'm supposed to pay a second fare, right?)
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CPColin posted:I mostly just want the Blue Line to make it all the way to Union Station, so I can ride Pacific Surfliner from SLO to LA, then hop on the Blue Line to Long Beach, without having to ride two stops on the Red/Purple Line, then pay a second fare to get on Blue. If you are using TAP (I thought people must use TAP on the rail these days), then you should be paying $1.75, including transfers. See here: http://www.metro.net/riding/fares/ and try here http://socaltransport.org/tm_pub_start.php.
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Boot and Rally posted:http://media.metro.net/riding_metro/maps/images/rail_map.pdf Either end of the expo line is rich areas. Every stop along the expo line is gentrifying(look at all the teardowns happening on Crenshaw). It's essentially going to be the rich people line. The Blue line is the main rail going through poor areas and it will often leave the 7th/Metro station completely full during rush hour. It needs to be twice as many trains.
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http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article6076293.html Gavin Newsom isn't running for Boxer's seat. So it's basically Kamala Harris then, right?
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Huh, then who'll be running for governor in 2018? I'd like Goodwin Liu to run for either, but then again I still have that pipe dream of him getting on the SCOTUS.
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Kobayashi posted:http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article6076293.html Right on the money: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Kamala-Harris-Announces-Run-for-Barbara-Boxers-Senate-Seat-288404361.html
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Zeitgueist posted:Either end of the expo line is rich areas. Every stop along the expo line is gentrifying(look at all the teardowns happening on Crenshaw). It's essentially going to be the rich people line. If the blue line needs more trains, it should get more trains. However, anything that can alleviate traffic in LA is a good thing. It isn't like the Metro line doesn't connect to other lines or has requirements like different fares for different zip codes. A good system must have good coverage, the west side is currently not covered. As I stated though, if I had my way I'd give everyone all the trains they can handle.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Huh, then who'll be running for governor in 2018? Newsom. Liu getting a SCOTUS nomination would be a great "gently caress you" to Congress. I'd laugh heartily.
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Boot and Rally posted:If the blue line needs more trains, it should get more trains. However, anything that can alleviate traffic in LA is a good thing. It isn't like the Metro line doesn't connect to other lines or has requirements like different fares for different zip codes. A good system must have good coverage, the west side is currently not covered. I want trains all over the place, I'm just bitter because of the class history of trains in LA. We underbuilt from the beginning because LA middle/upper class people in power say "who rides public transit" in LA, when the answer is obvious: People who have to because they can't afford/have a car. Then, shockingly, the train we built directly through the poorest parts of LA, the Blue, was actually used so we ended up having to almost immediately expand the train platforms. We also have the purple line, built at great expense underground but successfully stopped after like 2 stations because poor people might get into Beverly Hills. Not to mention, you mostly see transit cops checking for tickets at the poorest stations. I'd love a train plan that didn't involve 30 years....by the time its build the entire city will be gentrified.
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I read somewhere that multiple Blue Line trains start to line up at at-grade crossings during rush hour, so adding trains wouldn't help unless they also separated the rails from the roads.
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Jan 14, 2015 23:04
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CPColin posted:I read somewhere that multiple Blue Line trains start to line up at at-grade crossings during rush hour, so adding trains wouldn't help unless they also separated the rails from the roads. That's absolutely true, and the entire reason it's above ground and at-grade is because they under-built the gently caress out of it. It's only going to get worse as ridership increases as it's projected to.
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CPColin posted:I read somewhere that multiple Blue Line trains start to line up at at-grade crossings during rush hour, so adding trains wouldn't help unless they also separated the rails from the roads. Yeah, when people say "add more trains" to an existing track I assume capital expense beyond simply purchasing more trains is required. If anyone has any knowledge on the subject I'd be interested to hear how LA could upgrade the Blue line. It seems like they would have to just build new, separate tracks to avoid the phenomenal cluster gently caress that would be closing a system running past capacity.
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Underground or raised rail is orders of magnitude more expensive than at-grade. The last time they extended BART in the SF Bay Area, I think the "rule of thumb" was a billion dollars a mile.
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CPColin posted:I read somewhere that multiple Blue Line trains start to line up at at-grade crossings during rush hour, so adding trains wouldn't help unless they also separated the rails from the roads. 
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I'm pretty confident that LA will be destroyed in an earthquake/dustbowl/alien invasion before we get a good public transportation system working.
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Leperflesh posted:Underground or raised rail is orders of magnitude more expensive than at-grade. The last time they extended BART in the SF Bay Area, I think the "rule of thumb" was a billion dollars a mile. Expanding the 405 also runs roughly the same amount. Having said that, SF has an enormously complex underground that probably makes things a bit more expensive. LA is a much younger more spread out city. TACD posted:Wait, are you telling me that at your level crossings, the cars have priority over the trains? Somewhat, but the entire road system of LA runs at capacity at the same times that the trains run at capacity and stopping a major intersection for multiple trains can cause huge huge snarls. Sometimes the trains wait at crossings, but not always.
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LA used to have more passenger rail, but its backyards now.
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Trabisnikof posted:LA used to have more passenger rail, but its backyards now. You would take street car from Downtown to San Bernardino.
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Something Else posted:I'm pretty confident that LA will be destroyed in an earthquake/dustbowl/alien invasion before we get a good public transportation system working. Let's hope so.
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Something Else posted:I'm pretty confident that LA will be destroyed in an earthquake/dustbowl/alien invasion before we get a good public transportation system working. On the bright you will get rescued by Aaron Eckhart
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Who else is excited for another year of extreme drought? Sierra snowpack is barely a quarter of normal. The only bright spot is that some of the reservoirs in the state are siting pretty high. Pyramid Lake in particular is sitting high (because it's not really used for residential consumption, but it'll do in a pinch). In other California news, there was a post-mortem on the 2014 gubernatorial race at Berkeley this week with staffers from both campaigns. They haven't posted videos yet, but both the LA Times and the Sacramento Bee have mentioned how candid the staffers were, including talking about Kashkari's spending habits: quote:Republican Neel Kashkari spent more than $7 million on his unsuccessful campaign last year to unseat Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown, who spent less than $6 million on his run for reelection, financial reports show.
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Mayor Dave posted:Who else is excited for another year of extreme drought? Sierra snowpack is barely a quarter of normal. The only bright spot is that some of the reservoirs in the state are siting pretty high. Pyramid Lake in particular is sitting high (because it's not really used for residential consumption, but it'll do in a pinch). Hahahaha, I still remember when he did that homeless stunt in Fresno for a week during the summer before going back to his million-dollar home. On the other hand, I was hopeful when the bay area got pounded by that freak storm two months ago. Guess we're not getting another one for a good while, looking at the forecast 
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Mayor Dave posted:Who else is excited for another year of extreme drought? Sierra snowpack is barely a quarter of normal. The only bright spot is that some of the reservoirs in the state are siting pretty high. Pyramid Lake in particular is sitting high (because it's not really used for residential consumption, but it'll do in a pinch). The good news is that parts of Northern California may get up to a foot of rain this weekend. The bad news is that it's supposed to stay warm enough that the snow levels will be 8,000 to 10,000 feet, resulting in no change to snowpack levels.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:The good news is that parts of Northern California may get up to a foot of rain this weekend. The bad news is that it's supposed to stay warm enough that the snow levels will be 8,000 to 10,000 feet, resulting in no change to snowpack levels. Welcome to the new normal everyone.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Welcome to the new normal everyone. Appropriate post/user name combo.
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Noggin Monkey posted:Appropriate post/user name combo. Keep Hetch Hetchy Blue!
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ComradeCosmobot posted:The good news is that parts of Northern California may get up to a foot of rain this weekend. The bad news is that it's supposed to stay warm enough that the snow levels will be 8,000 to 10,000 feet, resulting in no change to snowpack levels.  Well poo poo.Still looking forward to the couple inches I'm supposed to get this weekend, though.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Welcome to the new normal everyone. New? California has a long and storied history of severe drought and severe storm events long before anyone started recording this poo poo. A good book on the climate of California is The West Without Water by Ingram and Malamud-Roam. It's a fairly new book but I like it because it has quite a bit of information relevant to climate change specific to California. The region has pretty much always had water problems. But yeah water conservation is definitely crucial due to ever-increasing population demands. e: I love the username/post combo 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Feb 2, 2015 |
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Sydin posted:Still looking forward to the couple inches I'm supposed to get this weekend, though.  Any precipitation is good precipitation, at this point.
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old dog child posted:New? California has a long and storied history of severe drought and severe storm events long before anyone started recording this poo poo. That last sentence is the key. Yes, California has always had ups and downs, but those ups and downs have been getting more and more extreme in relation to population levels.
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old dog child posted:New? California has a long and storied history of severe drought and severe storm events long before anyone started recording this poo poo. It's very possible we're just entering the next dry period of California's long climate cycle. Hell, California has been - on average - wetter than usual since the 17th century. 
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