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darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

ante posted:

I guess what I'm asking is, how amenable are the girls to other people "jumping in" mid-scene, or is it more "this is your contract, this is your dude".

Everything has to be run by their agency that reps them. There is no jumping in, unless you want to performers to walk off your set.

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darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

Yvonmukluk posted:

So what do you guys do if a scene needs extras? I mean, I imagine it doesn't come up that often, but do you just use people already in the industry or do you draw from the general talent pool? I guess most actors outside the industry probably wouldn't want to have a porno on their resume even if it was Dude in Background who shot his scene and then left before the sex started.

I tried once to get extras from SA. No one showed up, even the ones that agreed. There is an agency on the mainstream side that books only extras. They will book extras for adult productions. They just ask if the extras mind. Generally you just end up asking friends and friends of friends. That is the best way to handle it. It's not like you need 100 extras. The most extras I ever needed was to fill a bar scene and was probably 30 extras.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

FuriousGeorge posted:

I know she only does solo/g-g stuff, but have you ever met or worked with Shyla Jennings? She's adorable.

Several years back when I was working for a company that focused mainly on g/g I shot her several times. I don't have any insight into much about her. My only strong memory was she posed very well and was highly photogenic.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

McFunkerson posted:

Have you worked at all with Alexis Texas? That woman has a certain magic in the way she can move her rear end. Anything you can tell us about her?

Can you explain why people will shoot a scene with a girl that has razor rash all over her crotch (or something similar)? That is not attractive.

Alexis is arguably one of the best in the industry. She hasn't shot a scene though in a very long time. Easily more than a year. Maybe even two at this point. Alexis is a tough chick. Very motivated.

Clearly you have never shaved or never been completely shaved and then had sex for two hours. Throw in some lube on top of that and the experience is not fun.

darkpriest fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jan 11, 2015

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

RudeVegetables posted:

Always great threads, thankyou DarkPriest!
My question involves Cytherea -are her amazing squirting orgasms real? I hope so, she always looks like she's having a great time cumming really strongly. Maybe its just her schtick but she seems to be more real than other actresses. In that regard anyway.

It is astounding when you see it in person. I don't understand it. Probably need a scientist to research it and figure out how she does it.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

CubanMissile posted:

I bartend at a local bar in Vegas. We're located pretty close to places where the AVN awards or events are held and while I wouldn't say anything goes here, people have a good time and late a night interesting things go down and no one really seems to mind. Because of this I've met about a dozen or so people in the industry around AVN time and the one thing that was true of all of them is that while they were here, they all go to the bathroom an excessive amount of time (every ten minutes or so) to do cocaine. My questions is: Is my experience the result of a bunch of young people placed in the special party atmosphere that conventions provide, or is that much cocaine use constant in their day to day lives? Because man, it's a lot and I've served some pretty heavy cocaine users/dealers over the years.

No one goes to the bathroom to do cocaine anymore. They are going to walk into a public bathroom, lay out a bunch of lines at the sink in front of everyone that walks in? Comeon...

Sniffers or bullets have existed for many many years. People that want to do drugs do it right in public without you even knowing it.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

Professor Shark posted:

Both Paige Turnah and Gianna Michaels quit porn to work at studios (as have others I'm sure). Do studios offer great jobs for former talent, because it seems like it'd be a step down in money but also mean they didn't have to have sex on camera.

If a girl wants to transition to a more normal job, it makes sense to move to a job at an adult company in their office.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

echinopsis posted:

How are some of the more hardcore scenes in like some Evil Angel films are not considered borderline scat? I saw a scene in an Adriano flick and it's hard to imagine how parts of that pass any kind of morality test. I know "it's not real" but it is real . I'm not arguing for any kind of censorship just, well, if that passes the morality tests tehn what doesn't?

Morality test? Are you talking about the Miller Test? The Miller Test is only used when the Federal Government is seeking to prove an obscenity violation.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

Mister Kingdom posted:

How choreographed are the sex scenes? In complex scenes with more than two people, would there be storyboards?

Sex is not storyboarded. I shoot 20 scenes a month. I would need a full time story board artist if that was the case.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

My Lovely Horse posted:

http://www.cracked.com/article_21748_7-horrifying-lessons-learned-directing-porno.html

How much of that is bollocks and what's just the outsider's look on things?

Complete and total fluff. First off Nicki Hunter's husband (now ex husband) looks NOTHING like kid rock. This event would have happened 8 or 9 years ago, as that is when Nikki and him had their studio. Why would a bunch of random crew that had zero experience shooting adult be asked to shoot scenes or a even an adult movie? They know nothing about the paperwork, ids, how the product has to be shot. There is no mention of the photos, which is a big part of any adult production. It seems more likely they were involved or on an adult set and instead wrote an article in which they took great license with what actually happens.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

GUM CHEWING INTENSIFIES

darkpriest posted:

If a girl wants to transition to a more normal job, it makes sense to move to a job at an adult company in their office.
What's Gina Gianna doing, exactly? I heard talent scouting.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

Mindisgone posted:

I just took this whole thread straight to the head like a 6 ft. bong hit. Holy poo poo its great to stumble upon these seriously interesting threads.

DP, have you heard much about (or know performers who personally are on) these escort sites for porn stars? I thought it was too good to be true when I first saw it.

More than a few people have been asking opinions on their favorite stars. My favorites are:

1. Eva Angelina
2. Vanessa Vendetta

Have you ever met and or worked with these fine foxes? What were they like?

Do all of your male friends at one point or another ask you to get them a gig as a male performer? I suppose if that got really annoying you could mislead them to a gay studio and laugh your rear end off the next day.

How about the tease performers like your Next door Nikki or Sweet Krissy. They seem to have a strong following without having to get their hands dirty. Do you see those performers ever making the transfer to mainstream porn?

I wish I could give you some amazing insight into either performer, but I only shot them a few times. Eva used to be pretty wild, aggressive performer. She is not for the timid or shy.

None of the friends I grew up have ever asked me to get into adult. Matter of fact now that I'm in my 40's the majority of them don't really talk to me due to my career choices. They all have families and are probably worried what their wives or families might think. A few of my friends have to "secretly" contact me at times when their wives aren't around.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

AA is for Quitters posted:

If there was someone who was willing as talent to also be willing to be a sounding board for such and who has good knowledge of basic screenwriting premises and a background in such, would there be a market for them? Coz after I changed majors I was a creative writing major with a focus in screenwriting, and while I didn't get super far due to those "FEMALE IN STEM FIELD" scholarships disappearing, and then "FEMALE ACCTING MAJOR" schoalrships drying up, after becoming an English major drying up my college fund disappeared fast, but I have a background in creative writing with a focus in screenwriting, which as far as i got was "basic conventions and formatting for screen vs. a novel" but still, I'm sure it's more than most in the industry have.

I know you said find an agent earlier, and I've been looking, but a lot of the agents that I've found via google seem shady as gently caress. Any agents you'd recommend? I still have about another 10lbs or so to be fully HWP cause I have small tits (b-cup, and it's a lot easier to balance out a Dcup at 5'6 145 than a Bcup at 5'6 145), but every agent that shows up just has a shady as gently caress looking website. (or are "are only looking for talent in the LA area unless talent is willing to pay their own travel expenses" and gently caress that poo poo). So I'm a bit iffy on submitting my shots while still being about 10lbs overweight. I mean, I'm not fat fat like I used to be, but I mean, you can see that I have about 10 extra lbs on me. Cause it seems like the market is either "sexy thin girls" or "BBW" and not "average/normal sized" girls. If you know an agent that takes normal sized girls, post em, cause I don't have PM's. or if you feel uncomfortable with that, lemme know, and I'll give my email.

You can email me kevin at evilangel.com

The LA industry is can be difficult to navigate. The Florida industry is a bit more forgiving, but also far less professional than the LA industry.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

KillHour posted:

On the off chance that someone did get pregnant (and she kept it), is there a rider on their contract that the father wouldn't be on the hook for child support? That would suck, big time.

There are no contracts. There are model releases, but that is for the purpose of releasing the rights to the use of the models likeness and images.

I don't see how it would be possible to prove who the farther is, unless every male performer this hypothetical female performer worked with has a DNA test done to them. I highly doubt a court would rule that the male performers would have to take a DNA swab.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

limp_cheese posted:

What are your thoughts on animated porn? Is that something you see becoming popular in the USA as it is in Japan? Would doing an animated movie be something you would consider doing? Would it cost more or less to do something with animation?

I would imagine it would cost a great deal. I would think you would need a team of artists to make an animated movie. That would add up quickly.

I'd be more interested in well down adult video games or even really well done adult VR using the Oculus. But that to would cost a small fortune.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

TheRamblingSoul posted:

Apologies if you've answered this already, but how would a freelance writer get a foot in the door in the industry? I'm curious about writing smut for profit anyways, so this intrigues me.

Thanks in advance! :)

Since I am looking for writers, then you already have your in.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

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Mindisgone posted:

1. Eva Angelina
Eva's doing Real Estate, now

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

Apthous posted:

Good idea these kind of posts are why I'm here.


Also, another question: Who is in charge of making the internet porn adds? Those things are like the most potent psyop poo poo I have ever seen in my loving life.

Very good marketing departments, based in Montreal Canada.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

Last Buffalo posted:

I guess I don't see the difference between what Dark Priest does and all these sleazy dudes doing the gonzo stuff. DP has shot himself loving 18 and 19 year old girls for money in scenes he directed and produced. But it's different because they do more porn movies and are more open about it? Does Dark Priest offer some kind of career planning or consulting before he hires a girl to perform? I get that he does higher production value stuff, but I don't see a huge difference other than he probably does more repeat work with his actresses.

I realize that porn isn't horrible or awesome for everyone who's involved. It just seems like people are quick to throw up an arbitrary line about what is cool and what is immoral.

Now I'm supposed to offer career planning? Here's the advice I offer the performers. Save your money. Here's more advice I offer. Save your money.

There is a certain level of misogyny that goes into thinking the girls are helpless. I can say emphatically after nearly 15 years of doing this, the female performers are far from helpless.

But at the end of the day the performers are going to do whatever the hell they want to do.

There is a strong line between a performer that is in this for the long haul and has done 40 scenes and a girl that has no agent working on their behalf, shoots for a low end company and makes low end pay. One is in control of what they do and one is not.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

Last Buffalo posted:

Didn't he shoot a whole movie of girls who are all 18? How are they necessarily "career" people at that point?

They may be making more money because they're in a higher tier, but the difference kind of ends there. The only thing that really separates an professional actor from a semi professional is that one can pay their bills with it and the other can't.

I don't know if Dark Priest still posts, but I've never read if him talking someone down from doing a porn scene because of the social consequences. Have you ever done that, DP?

Why would I talk someone out of working in a industry I fully support? There is no gun to the head. By the time a performer shoots for me, they have shot many other scenes.

If we are basing it entirely on social consequence, than porn and a variety of other forms of entertainment would have to be expunged. This includes violent video games, horror movies, reality TV, pro wrestling, and the fast food industry.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

ZenVulgarity posted:

Hey dp, I might have missed it in the thread. How do you handle actors and actresses on a contractual basis? I would imagine they are contracted on several means (one time, multiple films) similar to other industries. Do you typically include anything like a non compete in your negotiations with talent? I would be curious the terms of some of the agreements you've had.

There are no contracts. They only thing the performers sign is a release, confirming they are legal age. The only contracts that exist are the very small amount of performers that are exclusive to certain studios and can only work for that studio during their contract. 90% of the performers are hired by all studios by scene or by production.

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Do you also include anything like percentage based royalty payments based on the commercial success of a film or shoot? Has any agreement for a project hit a road block due to the particulars of working with any individual actor?

Performers are paid a flat fee, based on what they are performing in. That flat fee is decided by the performer, though there are general industry standards. The more popular the performer is, the higher scene rate they can command.


quote:

Also, how itemized do the acts have to be for a performance? Say, do you have to detail the medical particulars of a type of sexual act that might not be obvious? Or is the actor or actress's level of professional expertise taken into account?

The various sexual acts are usually unscripted. How good a performer is performing those acts it was differentiates the performer talent pool.

quote:

Furthermore, do any if the companies provide medical insurance? How prevalent is that? I am wondering how difficult it may or not be given the nature of the work, or whether an actor or actress has been flat out denied coverage due to the changes of the ACA.

I have my insurance through ACA. They have never asked me what I do for a living.

The performers are not employees of a studio (unless they have exclusive contract). In one week they would work for 5 completely different companies.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

VirtualStranger posted:

There are tons of White, Black, East-Asian, and Hispanic women in the industry. Why are there so few Indian or Middle-Eastern women?

Come to think of it, you never see any male performers who aren't either White or Black, either.

Culture.

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

OxMan posted:

Have you ever shot Bobby Vitale? Where are/what happened to his balls? 14 year old me has been waiting half his entire life for the answer darkpriest!

Edit: actual questions:

How do you personally feel about creepy "daddy/daughter" porn and how does that stuff make it past obscenity laws or whatever?

When I was watching the AVN awards, everyone was saying the 3 most searched for/viewed video categories on tube sites were older women, bbws, and amateur porn. How has this influenced your work, if at all, and do you see a shift towards larger women being more mainstream? Carmella Binging on the donut of profit, if you will?

I have no clue what happened to Bobby. He had somewhat a bad descent and for a time ended up in a wheelchair due to some serious injuries, but that was nearly a decade ago.

I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on incest porn. One of the biggest adult movies ever from the 70's was called Taboo and called that for a reason. Ironically what they did in Taboo back then for some reason could never be done today. People have weird fantasies and they will have them whether porn features it or not.

I have seen the detailed reports from tube site searches several times. I never saw BBW near the top. Otherwise everyone would be shooting. Milfs definitely I believe.

Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

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Have the recent condom laws affected the way you shoot? I.e. are you shooting with condoms now or have you been forced to relocate to shoot without condoms? If so, has it negatively affected your business?

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

darkpriest posted:

I don't see how it would be possible to prove who the farther is, unless every male performer this hypothetical female performer worked with has a DNA test done to them. I highly doubt a court would rule that the male performers would have to take a DNA swab.

Honestly, it's pretty likely that the judge would be all too happy to throw down that kind of court order if a woman asked for it. The men wouldn't have to pay for the testing (unless they were the father), but they'd probably be obligated to do it. It'd be pretty tough to argue that they weren't eligible to be tested when the judge would have photographic proof that sex occurred, complete with documents establishing the time and date. It'd all be done for the good of the child, and the privacy rights and professional expectations of the sex partners would play second fiddle.

Kaal fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Jan 12, 2015

darkpriest
Dec 11, 2000

Professor Shark posted:

This surprises me because as of a few months ago Felicia Clover "retired", according to her due to lack of work after she gained a bunch of weight.

I was wondering why Immoral Live seems to becoming so popular and why certain talent, particularly Sara Jay and Jennifer White, are so attached to them. The sex is pretty... unsexy, with water breaks being filmed.

red19fire posted:

Porno Dan and Immoral Live doesn't make any sense when you think about it. But then think of the money they get to basically hang out with a chubby dude who can barely keep his average boner going, I bet they do it because it's a far easier day than doing Double Anal Nurses 8 with Lex.

The BBW comment is definitely not correct.

I would consider that live streaming content to be low end. The content is just a factory mill. Hiring whomever will take their low rates. It's throw something at the wall and hope for the best. No care is put into it.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/c66ea80e40/pornhub-s-1-porn-star-lebanese-american-mia-khalifa-presents-14-hot-sexy-facts-about-lebanon

I figured I'd drop that off here since it was a recent topic of discussion.

You do you, girl. You do you.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

quote:

Miss Khalifi studied history at the University of Texas at El Paso.

And she's rooting for FSU? TRAITOR.

(to be fair El Paso is poo poo)

I. M. Gei
Jun 26, 2005

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If I went to UTEP, I'd hate my alma mater, too.

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:

If I went to UTEP, I'd hate my alma mater, too.

Most commuter schools are pretty poo poo, often full of bitter students pissed they have to attend their safety school.

DP, what do you think of the latest accusations Nikki Benz has thrown at Lisa Ann? She says that she retired because she pretty much burned every bridge she had. Is any of this true?

http://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/2014/12/porn-stars-nikki-benz-and-lisa-ann-are-having-a-hell-of-a-twitter-feud/

Landsknecht
Oct 27, 2009
I hope this person is trolling, nobody can be so unfunny and dumb
How is budget/financing in the industry (or for you at least) taken care of? I know you've said you're an independent contractor, so are you just hired on a costs+materials or flat fee contract, and then you do your thing, or do you go to studios with proposals for certain films/scenes and then work out complete arrangements? Are there certain funds or financial institutions which fund productions for the industry? Or do production companies front all the capital for their own stuff?

dogcrash truther
Nov 2, 2013
Is there any porn where both performers have AIDS, or maybe active herpes or something (might be difficult to synchronize). Or at least is there any porn where people pretend to have AIDS and give it to other people? I think this might be a more common fetish than most people think.

dogcrash truther
Nov 2, 2013
I would much prefer real AIDS/Herp havers, but any porn in a storm, as they say.

e: lol, autocorrect changed "port" to "porn"

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

darkpriest posted:

You can email me kevin at evilangel.com

The LA industry is can be difficult to navigate. The Florida industry is a bit more forgiving, but also far less professional than the LA industry.

This is something I'd love to hear about in detail, or at least be pointed to a site that explains it.

From memory of past threads, porn shoots in the US exist only in LA or Florida/Miami, maybe a extremely small minority elsewhere. Tons of the stuff they do in FL/Miami is "hope we don't get caught!" stuff like bangbus and public exposure scenes which have the potential to get people cited for public indecency/arrested.

In Japan the "someone gets molested/hosed on a train/in public" is fairly common, but it seems like even if its being recorded its the kind of thing everyone else looks away and pretends isn't happening rather then calling police. In the UK the FakeTaxi series started out like a taxi-esque bangbus series but after a while they stop the cars in isolated/fenced off areas to shoot the sex scenes rather then keep driving around.

ante
Apr 9, 2005

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pentyne posted:

This is something I'd love to hear about in detail, or at least be pointed to a site that explains it.

From memory of past threads, porn shoots in the US exist only in LA or Florida/Miami, maybe a extremely small minority elsewhere. Tons of the stuff they do in FL/Miami is "hope we don't get caught!" stuff like bangbus and public exposure scenes which have the potential to get people cited for public indecency/arrested.


Bangbus got off(heh) in court because their windows are tinted.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

dogcrash truther posted:

Is there any porn where both performers have AIDS, or maybe active herpes or something (might be difficult to synchronize). Or at least is there any porn where people pretend to have AIDS and give it to other people? I think this might be a more common fetish than most people think.

:stare:

dogcrash truther posted:

I would much prefer real AIDS/Herp havers, but any porn in a storm, as they say.

e: lol, autocorrect changed "port" to "porn"

:stare:

I. M. Gei
Jun 26, 2005

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I think he's talking about bugchasers.

Poldarn
Feb 18, 2011

dogcrash truther posted:

Is there any porn where both performers have AIDS, or maybe active herpes or something (might be difficult to synchronize). Or at least is there any porn where people pretend to have AIDS and give it to other people? I think this might be a more common fetish than most people think.

I'm sorry about your diagnosis.

I. M. Gei
Jun 26, 2005

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Poldarn posted:

I'm sorry about your diagnosis.

Seriously, though, I think dogcrash truther is asking whether there is such a thing as bugchaser porn.

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pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:

Seriously, though, I think dogcrash truther is asking whether there is such a thing as bugchaser porn.

Absolutely not. Just from a health and safety standpoint there's no way in hell any company could get a license/permit to do that in the US. I wouldn't be shocked by porn where they pretend to have an STD for the fantasy but I've never heard of anything like that.

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