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Cake Attack posted:holy poo poo is there a series in existence that makes it easier to miss cool things? SaGa? Those games make it easy to miss quests if you do too many random battles. Also FF10-2 and 12.
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Gamma Nerd posted:SaGa? Those games make it easy to miss quests if you do too many random battles. Minstrel Song has a sidequest you can't even get until your third playthrough IIRC. It's kinda weird and full of strange stuff like that.
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Jan 14, 2015 05:15
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SaGa games were kind of designed in a way that people aren't supposed to look at FAQs ever, which is impractical of course for pretty much everyone posting in a forum! It's their whole "make up your own adventure!" take on the genre, which I guess still works for people who do opt to never look at the FAQs. I know I had a grand time in Minstrel Song and don't care that I missed side quests when I finished the game. The Growlanser stuff are legit gripes though, because they don't really write good enough replacement content for what you are missing. I had a similar gripe about Growlanser 2 when I said to myself "okay I'll replay this game maybe one more time but not five times" or whatever.
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Rascyc posted:SaGa games were kind of designed in a way that people aren't supposed to look at FAQs ever, which is impractical of course for pretty much everyone posting in a forum! It's their whole "make up your own adventure!" take on the genre, which I guess still works for people who do opt to never look at the FAQs. I know I had a grand time in Minstrel Song and don't care that I missed side quests when I finished the game. Yeah, I like the attitude they encourage that there's no right way to play the game. Starting a new file and doing things totally differently has a nice roguelike feeling.
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Jan 14, 2015 05:25
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Are there any complete English fan translations for the Romancing Saga games? I've never understood why the loving Sailor Moon RPG has a full translation, but every Saga project seems to have stalled out halfway years ago.
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Erebus posted:Are there any complete English fan translations for the Romancing Saga games? I've never understood why the loving Sailor Moon RPG has a full translation, but every Saga project seems to have stalled out halfway years ago. Minstrel Song is an official translation, if that counts. I also think there's a complete one of RS3 but I'm not 100% sure on it, and it may be low quality.
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Erebus posted:Are there any complete English fan translations for the Romancing Saga games? I've never understood why the loving Sailor Moon RPG has a full translation, but every Saga project seems to have stalled out halfway years ago. a patch for RS1 came out just recently, and there's a somewhat shoddy but still complete patch for rs3. 2, sadly, remains moonspeak
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Jan 14, 2015 06:07
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Cake Attack posted:pcsx2 crashed during the wolfgang path and destroyed my save states and regular saves are broken so i had nothing and just read the lp Aw junk, it's too bad you lost your save. You can't get any of endings with the guys unless the game records you have having seen all the chicks' endings first. Prism posted:Minstrel Song is an official translation, if that counts. I love Minstrel Song, but some of the poo poo they added is more opaque than the original game.
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Jan 14, 2015 06:11
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Finished Suikoden 2, the story is not really all that much better than the first game but it was still a fun game with good sequel amenities. I don't really get why they made it look like Jowy was taking orders from some ninja when it turned out Jowy did everything himself because he was a Dude With Ambitions, also maybe leknaat should have showed up in one of his dreams and been like "hey what the gently caress, stop that" instead of letting Jowy join up with a dude who's like, hey whatsup wanna help me massacre an entire town to feed a blood ritual, pretty cool right. But thats all water under the bridge, Jowy, lets go journey and be pals and leave this country in a hosed up mess that we created wheee I can get the third game for $20 from local nerd store but I may just wait it out to see if I can get it cheaper from eBay because the 3D suikodens don't really look anything like the 2D ones in terms of visuals or fast paced battles.
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Jan 14, 2015 10:26
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I'm kind of interested in giving a SaGa game a shot. Is the ps2 Romancing SaGa the stongest one?
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Quest For Glory II posted:Finished Suikoden 2, the story is not really all that much better than the first game but it was still a fun game with good sequel amenities. I don't really get why they made it look like Jowy was taking orders from some ninja when it turned out Jowy did everything himself because he was a Dude With Ambitions, also maybe leknaat should have showed up in one of his dreams and been like "hey what the gently caress, stop that" instead of letting Jowy join up with a dude who's like, hey whatsup wanna help me massacre an entire town to feed a blood ritual, pretty cool right. But thats all water under the bridge, Jowy, lets go journey and be pals and leave this country in a hosed up mess that we created wheee The bearers of the Bright Shield and Black Sword runes are destined to fight each other, that's just how it goes. Leknaat wouldn't intervene because that's what's supposed to happen. She takes a much more passive role in the rest of the series than she did in the first game, so this is the norm, not the exception.
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I can't get over how amazing Wild ARMs XF's soundtrack is. Even by Wild ARMs standards it's just spectacular. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lKyFtdzjqw Mr. Sunabouzu posted:I'm kind of interested in giving a SaGa game a shot. Is the ps2 Romancing SaGa the stongest one? I'm not a big fan of SaGa, but I liked SaGa Frontier 2 a lot. It's apparently the least SaGa-y of the bunch, though.
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Isnt the PS2 Romancing Saga obtuse and stupid and dumb?
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Baltazar Robotnik posted:Isnt the PS2 Romancing Saga obtuse and stupid and dumb? You can say that about the whole series, but you're probably thinking about Unlimited Saga: the game with hours of youtube videos you have to watch to have a clue what's going on.
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dis astranagant posted:You can say that about the whole series, but you're probably thinking about Unlimited Saga: the game with hours of youtube videos you have to watch to have a clue what's going on.
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Jan 14, 2015 12:17
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There's what they call a sense of discovery and there's just outirght obtuseness. I love SaGa games but they really need to at the very least explains their core concepts, like how battles make time go forward in Minstrel Song.
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Jan 14, 2015 12:50
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guys i think fire emblem will be on handhelds forever now this is probably the correct place for it
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The best SaGa game is The Last Remnant (PC Version). It totally counts.
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Jan 14, 2015 16:03
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hubris.height posted:guys i think fire emblem will be on handhelds forever now We get feet now as well. Mind blown! I hope feet are n3ds only feature just to see the bitching  .
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Jan 14, 2015 16:42
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hubris.height posted:guys i think fire emblem will be on handhelds forever now The way things are going all your favorite RPGs will be phone only by 2017.
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Jan 14, 2015 17:09
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That would be way too convenient since everyone has a phone. They'll be on mobile in Japan and PS Vita 2 only in the US (if they make it here).
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Heavy neutrino posted:That would be way too convenient since everyone has a phone. They'll be on mobile in Japan and PS Vita 2 only in the US (if they make it here). Having only RPGs without good controls wouldn't be very convenient.
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HGH posted:The way things are going all your favorite RPGs will be phone only by 2017. gently caress you this is the nightmare that wakes me up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night gently caress you
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Jan 14, 2015 17:27
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I almost always play Fire Emblem games on casual because I don't understand the attraction of permadeath. Does this make me a Bad Person?
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i don't think so but some people do i play on classic and then grind a ton so much that it doesn't even matter that its on classic
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Jan 14, 2015 17:46
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MockingQuantum posted:I almost always play Fire Emblem games on casual because I don't understand the attraction of permadeath. Does this make me a Bad Person? I like casual because I'll just restart on classic anyway if I lose someone. Casual makes it feel like Shining Force and that's A Good Thing.
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Jan 14, 2015 17:52
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MockingQuantum posted:I almost always play Fire Emblem games on casual because I don't understand the attraction of permadeath. Does this make me a Bad Person? 
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MockingQuantum posted:I almost always play Fire Emblem games on casual because I don't understand the attraction of permadeath. Does this make me a Bad Person? everyone who doesn't just restarts when they have a character die, so you're really having a lot more fun that people who dont play on casual. i'm curious if anyone has ever decided to just play the game and not mind if people die...
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Jan 14, 2015 18:17
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Fe is a different and worse game experience without permadeath, imo
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corn in the bible posted:everyone who doesn't just restarts when they have a character die, so you're really having a lot more fun that people who dont play on casual. i'm curious if anyone has ever decided to just play the game and not mind if people die... Iron man runs are actually really fun in Fire emblem. Also, can't you just casually suicide your units against enemies without permadeath being on?
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corn in the bible posted:everyone who doesn't just restarts when they have a character die, so you're really having a lot more fun that people who dont play on casual. i'm curious if anyone has ever decided to just play the game and not mind if people die... Casual and restarting are still not the same. Casual allows you to use brute force tactics that straight-up wouldn't work even if you're restarting on death.
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Jan 14, 2015 18:25
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The issue with Casual is that Fire Emblem's difficulty is balanced around the idea that the player loses if any of his characters die. Not one Fire Emblem map has ever been actually hard to win, the point has always been to make them hard to win without losing anyone.
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corn in the bible posted:everyone who doesn't just restarts when they have a character die, so you're really having a lot more fun that people who dont play on casual. i'm curious if anyone has ever decided to just play the game and not mind if people die... Here. I figure the game's suppose to be balanced around the idea of you losing people every so often, so I usually just roll with it. Whereas my buddy will not only restart if he loses anyone, but also tries to keep everyone equally levelled so that no one falls behind. ImpAtom posted:Casual and restarting are still not the same. I watched an LP of some guy who'd brute forced casual'ed his way through the game. It was a horrid thing to behold.
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ImpAtom posted:Casual and restarting are still not the same. I don't play on casual but you better believe it that I restart the map if somebody dies.
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Jan 14, 2015 18:56
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I played on Casual because I didnt want to restart if I lost someone, but I still tried to play as if someone dying was bad and not just an inconvenience. Its hard to break the habit after playing so much FE before. 
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Shark Tower posted:Whereas my buddy will not only restart if he loses anyone, but also tries to keep everyone equally levelled so that no one falls behind. Keeping folks equally leveled is unfortunately kind of a sucker's game. The way stats work in FE having one unit with high stats is better than two units with lower stats. It's also the reason pairing is so crazy OP.
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Jan 14, 2015 19:24
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HGH posted:The way things are going all your favorite RPGs will be phone only by 2017. ... and they'll all be F2P with turn counters. Bring back the PS2 glory days please. 
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Cake Attack posted:Fe is a different and worse game experience without permadeath, imo This is part of the reason I never cared for Shining Force along with crap AI and bad unit balance. I beat every map by loading my team with centaur knights, healers, and the werewolf, and steamrolling from one end to the other.
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I've never played a Fire Emblem game but is it like Final Fantasy Tactics where story important characters are immortal until their plot is over or do they actually alter the story for dead characters? Because I totally didn't care if people died permanently in FFT but if it's the other way around I sure as hell would be restarting the game.
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al-azad posted:I've never played a Fire Emblem game but is it like Final Fantasy Tactics where story important characters are immortal until their plot is over or do they actually alter the story for dead characters? Story important characters can die in terms of game mechanics, but will still stick around in the plot.
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