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drilldo squirt posted:You're wrong about all of this. A very compelling argument. 
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B-but it's so hard being white! Waaaaaagh! 
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Cuba saved me from eating my neighbor's poop itt
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It's good to see you come around to my point of view.
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Cingulate posted:That's not really true. What you have is that in comparison to people living in peace, the proportion of people living under war decreases incrementally. In absolute terms, violent death isn't strongly receding. You may be correct. The number of wars has gone down. And percentage wise people die less to wars. But we have gotten better at killing. One dude can go wipe out a small village. So maybe the deaths per incident has gone up I found the number 19.4million dead from 1800-1899 But not getting any decent numbers for lets say 1960 to present
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I am a huge fan of their sandwiches tbh
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Whoa. Rent-A-Cop posted:Cuba saved me from eating my neighbor's poop itt davidb posted:But not getting any decent numbers for lets say 1960 to present davidb posted:But we have gotten better at killing Although Rwanda may not matter because it's poor davidb posted:You may be correct. The number of wars has gone down. And percentage wise people die less to wars.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:
Perhaps im racist against my own skin color. Or maybe its exactly what i said. That poor countries where people destroy their own country dont matter to the world stage. I said poor and others said, what...you dont like black people? Their just people. Their actions are what matter. In africa the people are corrupt and genocidal/tribal. Their free to live according to their inclination to destroy anyone from the other village. But that also means their country doenst matter.
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Cingulate posted:Steven Pinker's Better Angels of our Nature is full of that kind of stuff. Interesting. I didnt know any of that. I kinda figured we were getting better at killing. So where we at on the death count 1960 to present?
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davidb posted:Interesting. I didnt know any of that. I kinda figured we were getting better at killing. davidb posted:So where we at on the death count 1960 to present?
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davidb posted:I kinda figured we were getting better at killing.
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Vaginapocalypse posted:A very compelling argument. It's a statement dude, how do you even mistake the two?
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america america he's our man if he cant do it no one can rah rah sis boom bah
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davidb posted:Perhaps im racist against my own skin color. Or maybe its exactly what i said. That poor countries where people destroy their own country dont matter to the world stage. why doesnt america help them? why wont the harbinger of "almost world peace" save these savages from themselves?!
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Your Weird Uncle posted:why doesnt america help them? why wont the harbinger of "almost world peace" save these savages from themselves?! The cost reward and chance of success is too low. These people and muslims are sill too determined to self mutilate
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davidb posted:Interesting. I didnt know any of that. I kinda figured we were getting better at killing.
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Ytlaya posted:You do realize that it's entirely possible to believe that there is no such thing as a "good" powerful country, right? What does it accomplish to try and figure out which one is the least bad? This is lazy post modern BS in my opinion considering how many things have gotten significantly better in the last century from civil rights to the middle class. Clearly major institutions have played a role certainly including the leading states. There are also the people that hate America because of their personal favorites list of bad things but love talking about the great aspects of the USSR. That's a total joke. quote:What in the world is accomplished by talking about how much better the US (or any other country for that matter) is than other powerful nations? I can think of countless things that are accomplished by being critical of nation-states, but not a single one that is accomplished by jacking off about how one is "number 1." Only good critism is useful and that requires recognizing good and bad.
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davidb posted:The cost reward and chance of success is too low. These people and muslims are sill too determined to self mutilate "The inherent nature of the muslim is to self mutilate" - davidb "The inherent nature of blacks is crime and disorder" - Strom Thurmond "The inherent nature of the jew is parasitical, he lives leech-like off the corpse of good European society and infects our bloodlines whilst being unable to create anything of value on his own" - A. Hitler
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asdf32 posted:This is lazy post modern BS in my opinion considering how many things have gotten significantly better in the last century from civil rights to the middle class. Clearly major institutions have played a role certainly including the leading states. If anything in the last 60 years the working class and unions have been pretty much demolished and the middle class has been shrinking for decades. It is more difficult to crow about a system that starts to retreat on its gains when it doesn't face entrenched competition.
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davidb posted:Poor countries, full of corruption, bent on committing genocide every other year, who have rejected many efforts to bring them into the 21st century davidb posted:These people and muslims are sill too determined to self mutilate Your blaming the problems of the third world on racial inferiority is loving rear end-backwards caveman bullshit. Do you think slavery did a favor for African-Americans by bringing them here to the US? E: And before you say you're not racist, you've stated that you believe that people in poor countries that struggle to get out of their predicament are somehow inherently incapable of modernizing and are just these savage beasts, as if there is no outside influence that messes with these countries' development. You think that brutal dictators like Sisi are a great way of bringing these countries out of poverty (they're usually not because they steal everything that's not bolted down). It's like you're some kind of caricature of a 19th-century "white's man burden" imperialist. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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Your Weird Uncle posted:why doesnt america help them? why wont the harbinger of "almost world peace" save these savages from themselves?! What do you think Iraq was? Selfless spreading of democracy. Of course those ungrateful Iraqis didn't even appreciate what we did because davidb posted:These people and muslims are sill too determined to self mutilate Kill all Arabs. #Notracist you see because I am an Arab. asdf32 posted:Only good critism is useful and that requires recognizing good and bad. Empires are bad full-stop. Asking who ran the "least bad" empire is asking who is the least bad murderer. The correct answer to "how do we be the best empire we can be" is "don't be an empire". VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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So a thread with the NON-US thread tag that specifically asks about European experience is actually about discussing the USA as a world power.
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The fact that nation-states are actually a thing, and even are considered a good thing, is so completely dumb in these 2015s.
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My nation-state is better than your nation-state!
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Nation states are pretty awesome if you live in the right one. A world state, or a state of anarchy, would suck.
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:The fact that nation-states are actually a thing, and even are considered a good thing, is so completely dumb in these 2015s. Singapore is worse.
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drilldo squirt posted:It's a statement dude, how do you even mistake the two? No, you are wrong about this.  Edit: also, 
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:the muslim is to self mutilate Your a confused little thing arent you, its so cute watching the dumb ones struggle. Your right the muslims are determined to self mutilate. But thats not an inherent late. Europeans were determined to destroy themselves for the past couple hundered years then they exhausted themselves. Muslims can exhaust themselves. They just need a couple more decades of worldwide isis type bullshit where muslims are beheading muslims before theyll figure out when you fight by thr sword you die by the sword
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Doctor Malaver posted:So a thread with the NON-US thread tag that specifically asks about European experience is actually about discussing the USA as a world power. The europeans admitted to being embarrassed about nationalism so we moved on to the best country in the world that isnt embarrassed. They handed off the torch
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davidb posted:Your a confused little thing arent you, its so cute watching the dumb ones struggle. muslims aren't a monolith, hope this helps
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VitalSigns posted:What do you think Iraq was? Selfless spreading of democracy. Theres so much you need explained ok let see here. 1) there were lots of reasons iraq happened. One of whivh was a dictator we didnt like and trying to start a democeacy like we did in germany, japan 2) you shouldnt make hashtags that are a paragraph long makes you look like an idiot. Also dont be racist against muslims thats bad. You also dont need to kill arabs they do a fine job of that themselves thats where most terrorist attacks are directed 3) empires have been the catalyst for most of human development. Ask any historian. The spread of ideas across the globe has been do to empire building. Without which ideas stay local and we would be several centuries behind in development. Only emo kids like you think empires are bad. Where did the empire touch you?
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Your Weird Uncle posted:muslims aren't a monolith, hope this helps It doesnt. Wherever muslims exist their killing people.
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davidb posted:It doesnt. Wherever muslims exist their killing people. that's wild, my upstairs neighbor is muslim and he's super nice. i wondered who he killed...
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I hate to break it to you but Germany had a democracy before the US showed up. Edit: And if we're going to get technical, the state of Japan prior to the end of world war 2 was probably your guys fault too. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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wateroverfire posted:Nation states are pretty awesome if you live in the right one. A world state, or a state of anarchy, would suck. Let's work together to suppress the forces of anarchy. 
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Ardennes posted:If anything in the last 60 years the working class and unions have been pretty much demolished and the middle class has been shrinking for decades. It is more difficult to crow about a system that starts to retreat on its gains when it doesn't face entrenched competition. They were creatEd in the first place. And first world middle class gains/issues are much less significant than third world gains. Which have been substantial in that time. VitalSigns posted:Empires are bad full-stop. Asking who ran the "least bad" empire is asking who is the least bad murderer. The correct answer to "how do we be the best empire we can be" is "don't be an empire". No they're not. Rome, Alexendander - definitely bad?
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asdf32 posted:
Actually worse than Hitler.
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asdf32 posted:No they're not. Rome, Alexendander - definitely bad? Yes? The Romans were gigantic cocks, what are you talking about.
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davidb posted:Everyones benefited from americas accidental goodness then Genghis Khan is probably a greater net good than America. He killed enough people to allow forests to regrow, and the world was a significantly more peaceful place after he got done with it. America's problem is it doesn't commit. Go big or go home - if you can't do the job properly, don't even try.
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asdf32 posted:No they're not. Rome, Alexendander - definitely bad? Is this a poor attempt at a joke? Yes, they were, what's wrong with you?
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