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Rincewinds posted:Is it bad of me to think that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I was a bit harsh before, don't feel bad; it's in ancient-joke camouflage and your brain naturally tries to save you from looking at a thing you've seen a hundred times before.
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:
I don't care if nobody else said anything and it's low effort. I appreciated this edit.
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That guy on the bench is actually the mastermind behind the attacks in Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds, as well as the previous, similar attack which occurred in Daphne DuMaurier's short story upon which it is based.
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Grapplejack posted:Cadburry is still popular, so YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH ABOUT CADBURY'S CHOCOLATE Bad enough it's not really Cadbury anmore.
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Rincewinds posted:Is it bad of me to think that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes a cigar really is a giant dick substitute
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A HUNGRY MOUTH posted:(Indolent Bastard) I, too, remember how social services for impoverished citizens lead to America being consumed by pigeons.
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Not My Leg posted:I don't care if nobody else said anything and it's low effort. I appreciated this edit. Thanks. That slipped right by me the first time.
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Keep in mind that newspaper cartoonists tend to have colorists that aren't the creator.
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Not My Leg posted:I don't care if nobody else said anything and it's low effort. I appreciated this edit.  thank you kindly.
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Good to know that Gamergate is not and has never been unique.
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Rorus Raz posted:Keep in mind that newspaper cartoonists tend to have colorists that aren't the creator. I'm curious as to how you think the intended message could have been deleteriously altered by a rogue colorist. But I'm even more curious as to why you appear to be going to bat for Mike "gently caress You, Got My Chick-fil-A" Lester. You've changed, man. It's like I don't even know who Rorus Raz is anymore. I can't believe this corrupt earth.
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Rorus Raz posted:Keep in mind that newspaper cartoonists tend to have colorists that aren't the creator. Sunday strips are normally colored by the creator. The daily ones are often done by third party people.
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This qualifies as "edgy" for JRROSE!.
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Jan 21, 2015 21:56
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D.N. Nation posted:This qualifies as "edgy" for JRROSE!. I'll say! Everybody knows that song was originally by Buddy Holly and the Crickets!
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I just think that this is too subtle for Lester, and he has his political cartoons to be a racist. It's not like the lack of a message in that cartoon makes him any less of a shitlord.
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I think it's pretty clear that Lester's got some internalized bigotry and it's leaking out here in a weird way that he probably doesn't even perceive. I think you're right in that his intent for the strip probably went no further than "MLK nice man. He died. It sad," but you're giving him far too much credit by refusing the possibility of the strip being subtly, unintentionally indicative of his internal hellscape.
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 The canuck dollar is in freefall cause of the oil bust.
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Rorus Raz posted:I just think that this is too subtle for Lester, and he has his political cartoons to be a racist. Dude it's a flock of black and white pigeons mixed together. Pigeons are gray Rorus. If there was no intent behind it they would just be a flock of plain rear end pigeons.
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In the hands of someone who, say, isn't a complete racist, I'd interpret the cartoon as MLK belongs to us all now, white and black. Or racial discord has enveloped MLK's message. Because it's Lester, my guess is that the message is Ha ha, I made MLK get eaten. Lester hasn't earned the benefit of any doubt.
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*in voice of old drunk dude from The Birds, raising glass* It's the end of the thread!
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I'll note here that all of your interpretations are good, really. And yeah, blatantly obvious racism from Lester is easy to find elsewhere.
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Please keep doing these, they actually make this terrible comic palatable and fun  The common American voter is an unapologetic thug and rapist?
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D.N. Nation posted:I'll note here that all of your interpretations are good, really. And yeah, blatantly obvious racism from Lester is easy to find elsewhere. How Birds Really Work
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Jerusalem posted:The common American voter is an unapologetic thug and rapist?
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That pigeons eat a guy cartoon has def been done before, drat near panel for panel. I'm thinking maybe by Rodriques or Addams or MK Brown, but I know I've seen it before. That's not to shout intentional plagarism, just sayin' that it's been done.
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D.N. Nation posted:e: Also, come on, the guy's also a fan of the National Review, which gave us this entirely objective, totally not-cheerleady cover: Vogon Poet posted:I brought this up last year, but I think it's worth repeating. Squirrel Appreciation Day is an actual (very obscure) holiday, and considering that Tinsley does do non-political gag strips from time to time, I find it quite plausible that he started doing Squirrel Appreciation Day strips as a silly gag and was too stupid to realize the coincident timing with MLK Day. (Also, he's been doing these strips every year for at least a few years, and the first time he did it Squirrel Appreciation Day was not the same day as MLK Day. It was later, when they did fall on the same day, that people here first got up in arms about it.) Now, I can't say for sure either way, but when there are so many times that Tinsley is definitely an rear end in a top hat I don't think it's necessary to attack him for something where he's only maybe being an rear end in a top hat. I am almost certain he did a squirrel-themed "I Have A Dream" comic. Or was that someone else? I'm sure it's a Fillmore comic. I did try to find it but I could only find his other squirrel day nonsense. Oh, and this loving charming cartoon: 
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I'm 90% positive I've seen that exact pigeon joke in another comic somewhere. It has kind of an Addams Family vibe to it. e: yeah what dee eight said
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Arthur Crackpot posted:I'm 90% positive I've seen that exact pigeon joke in another comic somewhere. It has kind of an Addams Family vibe to it. Because it's been done a billion times before. There's ancient pictographs depicting a caveman on a stone bench disappearing into a flock of proto-pigeons
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TheDarkFlame posted:Wow. That's great, look at how confident and commanding they look, true patriots the both of them. You know if you flipped to the front of that book Ryan is holding, it'd be "How To gently caress Your Country For Fun And Profit".
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xthetenth posted:If you feed the poor they'll eat you alive. Yeah, this is basically what I got out of it. Man on the Left gives free food (welfare) to pigeons (poors). This causes more and more pigeons to attach themselves to the man, demanding his food faster than he can give it, until eventually they consume him. We should all be like Man on the Right, and never make the mistake of giving handouts to pigeons.
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dee eight posted:That pigeons eat a guy cartoon has def been done before, drat near panel for panel. I'm thinking maybe by Rodriques or Addams or MK Brown, but I know I've seen it before.  (courtesy of GoComics)The MLK twist is the only bit with any hint of originality, and is also terrible. (and hahaha, there's not a joke in this world that The New Yorker cartoonists can't butcher)
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Karnegal posted:I think the argument that he's making is that middle to upper-middle class whites can either fight to improve the failing public school system or just jump ship and send their kids to private school. In essence, the schools are getting worse because the people who could facilitate change are pulling their kids out of them. A few pages ago, but I'm still catching up: I've been feeling a great deal of cognitive dissonance over this issue myself. I'm in the same boat (finishing my PhD this spring, though my wife is still kind of restarting her university trajectory), and while my colleagues were graduates of the public system, we all feel the same way. My lab mate and I are big advocates for public education and I know I always will be, but we feel a great deal of trepidation about sending our own kids to a public school, especially when big chunks of the curriculum are being broken off or severely deprecated. My wife is turned off by public schools altogether (though some of that can be chalked up to severe anxiety and paranoia over perceived safety issues). Our daughter looks like she's really bright, but she also highly energetic, even for a two-year-old, and we're worried that what we believe is boredom and a need to explore is going to be seen as hyperactivity, so the kid is just going to be neglected and brushed off as yet another ADHD statistic. So I'm worried, yeah. I want my daughter to go to a public school and get to know the experiences of people across a diverse demographic, and I want her to appreciate the struggles that other families (and that we ourselves currently) experience. But I know that she's not going to be given the opportunities she will inevitably need. I don't want to be a goddamn hypocrite. I'm glad you posted this, I don't feel like there are that many people to talk to about this sort of thing.
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A HUNGRY MOUTH posted:
And Franquin did it, late 70s I think. 
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Titus Sardonicus posted:A few pages ago, but I'm still catching up: It's one of those dilemmas where individuals making the rational choice for themselves leads to worse outcomes in aggregate. The only way to reverse it will require coordination.
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Cruel and Unusual posted:It's one of those dilemmas where individuals making the rational choice for themselves leads to worse outcomes in aggregate. The only way to reverse it will require coordination. So true. Sometimes I think maybe I should just stick to my principles and enroll her in a public school because it's just the right thing to do re: civic duty, and fight for the quality of the schools themselves, all the while, hoping that my wife and I (and the community as a whole, "it takes a village," etc.) can do a good job enriching her and filling in the gaps. But that's just too idealistic then, isn't it?
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I didnt know Joseph Gordon-Levitt ran with Romney
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Count Canuckula posted:I didnt know Joseph Gordon-Levitt ran with Romney 
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Tardigrade posted:And Franquin did it, late 70s I think. And Hitchcock in the early 60's!
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