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Full Battle Rattle posted:With the scrutiny we put candidates under combined with the digital trail that modern communications create the only real way to never have your affair discovered is to not gently caress around. Or throw your mistress in front of a train.
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celeron 300a posted:According to Politico, Biden's planning a go for it. Saying "I'm not going to think about it until the summer" is the opposite of planning a run. The only thing that article demonstrates is that Biden would like to be able to run (and really the two previous failed bids should have been a clue) and sees no favourable conditions for doing so in the near term.
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If Biden, Warren, O'Malley, and Cuomo all opt not to run, what does the Democratic primary even look like? Hillary having 1 on 1 debates with Bernie Sanders? It will be a stark contrast to the ridiculously swollen GOP primary, anyway.
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Badger of Basra posted:Didn't he drop out before then? When you're rich & powerful (or just regular ol' good lookin') everyone is all up in everyone else's business.. sort of a gift & a curse. It's safer to be ugly: nobody cares who you're dating! In fact, nobody care about you at all. I'm sorry but that's pretty much how it goes. Seriously, though, John Edwards' campaign was basically lost at that point but that incident was the nail in the coffin, i'm afraid. He was in his 40's which is a bit young to be president unless you're JFK. A3th3r fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Cigar Aficionado posted:If Biden, Warren, O'Malley, and Cuomo all opt not to run, what does the Democratic primary even look like? Hillary having 1 on 1 debates with Bernie Sanders? It will be a stark contrast to the ridiculously swollen GOP primary, anyway. If Sanders is coming at her from the left, they should probably dig up at least one crusty Blue Dog to come at her from the right, giving her the opportunity to defend and please the base. Beating up on Bernie for several months straight wouldn't particularly impress anybody who wasn't already gonna vote Republican. Throw some crochety no-way-in-hell candidate like Rendell in there and get him to holler dated slogans that will make her look cool and progressive by comparison. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Jan 22, 2015 05:24
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In his house at Ch'cago dead Emmanuel waits dreaming.
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:In his house at Ch'cago dead Emmanuel waits dreaming Quoth the library, 111th and Amstermoor Biden can hit Hillary as weak on terror, a random bluedog can hit her on being too far left, Mitt Romney can hit her on being too far right, and all of America can hit her for being inevitable. Only one man has the namesake necessary to come save the democratic party from making an unforced gaffe. \/\/\/ Means someone doesn't consider themself goodlooking. Clearly, they're unelectable for '16. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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A3th3r posted:When you're rich & powerful (or just regular ol' good lookin') everyone is all up in everyone else's business.. sort of a gift & a curse. It's safer to be ugly: nobody cares who you're dating! In fact, nobody care about you at all. I'm sorry but that's pretty much how it goes. I have no idea what this post means.
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Concerned Citizen posted:Yeah. Edwards campaign was already over, but supposedly (according to Game Change and probably bullshit) his top staff knew about the affair and promised to sabotage the campaign if he actually came close to winning the nomination. I highly doubt that, though. Yeah, he was long gone before any of that poo poo really surfaced in a public way. There was no real connection really, but I have no doubt that it would have come out sooner had he been doing better in the primary. Who knows if the staffer stuff is true, but I think opposition would have probably done it before any of them had a chance to.
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glowing-fish posted:I am from Oregon and I still sometimes miss references to rich conservative white people. When I was growing up, the rich white people I knew were into yoga, Buddhism, environmentalism, and trying to outdo each other with multicultural experiences. I only much later realized that in less cool parts of the country, being rich and white meant you...ordered the expensive stuff at Olive Garden. Don't forget getting the good tickets to SEC/ACC football games. And memberships at the more discriminating golf courses.
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lothar_ posted:Don't forget getting the good tickets to SEC/ACC football games. And memberships at the more discriminating golf courses. Also, that multicultural experiences in other countries were encouraged while interacting with actual poor black people, probably not so much. Rich liberals are just as infuriating sometimes.
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Concerned Citizen posted:Yeah. Edwards campaign was already over, but supposedly (according to Game Change and probably bullshit) his top staff knew about the affair and promised to sabotage the campaign if he actually came close to winning the nomination. I highly doubt that, though. Christ, what horrible people (if true). FMguru fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Badger of Basra posted:I have no idea what this post means. Sorry, I try too hard to cram in references to other things in my writing. Too much BuzzFeed, I guess.
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FMguru posted:"We'll keep cashing our paychecks and sending out pleading fundraising memos, but if our guy looks like he might win we'll sabotage his campaign en masse." If he would have crashed and burned in the general due to his own ego and infidelity that could have been real bad. I also would not have any trouble taking my check and work experience with the intent to double cross him if the stars aligned in all the wrong ways. Dude is a slimebag.
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PupsOfWar posted:If Sanders is coming at her from the left, they should probably dig up at least one crusty Blue Dog to come at her from the right, giving her the opportunity to defend and please the base. Beating up on Bernie for several months straight wouldn't particularly impress anybody who wasn't already gonna vote Republican. If we're resigning ourselves to political theatre, just have Clinton debate Kevin Spacey and Julia Louis Dreyfus.
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Fulchrum posted:If we're resigning ourselves to political theatre, just have Clinton debate Kevin Spacey and Julia Louis Dreyfus. Gil-Jon would be the dinosaur GOP candidate attacking from the left.
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Well, Edwards himself was an empty suit with a nice head of hair, but some of the words they put in his mouth were good. He was pretty good about actually talking about economic issues and rarely succumbed to the hyperbolic "we must be vigilant" hawktalk that plagues American foreign policy. His aides probably thought they were doing a good thing by shifting the debate a little to the left, whether or not he actually won. Rhetoric influences policy. If people see a Democrat talking like a liberal and getting votes, it changes what is considered politically possible. For decades, people were saying that Kennedy-style liberalism was dead, but Edwards proved that, despite all his real shortcomings as a candidate, the message he laid out still resonated with a lot of people. That's a lesson we can apply to Obama as well. Set aside for a moment all the things he has (or hasn't) actually accomplished as president and consider all the things he's said over the years. How many politicians could have given a speech like we saw last night? Effortlessly yet full-throatedly tying together numerous policy issues into a single narrative based on American tradition, liberal values, and Christian compassion? Some credit surely goes to his speechwriters, but in many ways this is a speech he's been giving for years, and it's hard to imagine it coming from anyone else. People in political circles tend to get lost in the talking points and wedge issues of the Washington news cycle and forget that, for most people, that's all just background noise. Even here in DnD, I'm regularly (and naively) surprised by how many people are utterly ignorant of current events and pressing political issues, and we're supposed to be the people who care about this stuff. If even we can't be relied upon to know, say, why people are opposing the Keystone pipeline, what "net neutrality" means, who the hell ISIL are, or what the Affordable Care Act actually does; if half of us are still parroting talking points from three (or thirty) years ago as if nothing has changed, then imagine how confused and disengaged the truly uninformed are. Anyone who can cut through the poisonous cloud of cynicism and disaffection that keeps so many people from meaningfully engaging in political life and actually gets them to think and care about their neighbors, their country, and their world, even for a moment, is a goddamn hero. If the message is timely, inspirational, and progressive, so much the better. And that's why our goddamn socialist, muslim, warmonger, terrorist-loving, sellout, lame duck, feckless, fascist president is a national treasure.
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Is there any chance that Hillary would pick Chelsea as her VP? She's vetted, has experience on the campaign, and fits the narrative. If you subscribe to the idea that the best thing a VP pick can do is not to hurt the campaign she's a strong choice.
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Is the narrative "explicitly continuing a dynastic presidency"? Calling it for 2016: Hillary and Chelsea against Jeb Bush and Liz Cheney 
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Are there any interesting and strong candidates gearing up for a run in the Democrat side? Is there a DNC approved debate schedule yet? One of my worst nightmares is that Hillary will mount a campaign similar to hers in 2008, mostly center right with few actual leftist policies, cruise to re-election in a sleepy primary, generating a minimal amount of noise and interest from both the Democratic base and the world at large. Am I off the mark? Somehow I don't even think Bernie Sanders will even hit the numbers needed to get into the debates.
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dorkasaurus_rex posted:Are there any interesting and strong candidates gearing up for a run in the Democrat side? Is there a DNC approved debate schedule yet? Well I think Biden at least is running. My hope is that we'll at least get a couple of interesting debates where Biden challenges Hillary from the left.
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Hillary + Castro transitioning into first Latino prez in 2024. Induced demographic change from massive nationwide aneurysms.
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Christ, the GOP primary of 2012 is like the loving Cold War; it's great that it's over for everyone, but there are still some Romney nukes that are unaccounted for. Here is Romney's unused, weaponized Willie Horton ad on Huckabee.
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joeburz posted:Hillary + Castro transitioning into first Latino prez in 2024. If Castro gets Texas in 2024 you might actually see that.
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Holy poo poo, Mitt is here to play. Somehow, Buzzfeed obtained footage of a brutal unused Romney 2007/2008 Willie Horton attack ad on Huckabee.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Holy poo poo, Mitt is here to play. Somehow, Buzzfeed obtained footage of a brutal unused Romney 2007/2008 Willie Horton attack ad on Huckabee. Maybe Mitt looked at his calendar wrong, and doesn't understand that this is 2015 and not 2016. It would explain a lot of his decision-making recently.
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The audience for that ad isn't voters, it's Mike Huckabee. It's trying to warn him off running, a taste of what happens if he gets in the race against Romney. It makes perfect sense to leak it now instead of using it in, say, a year.
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FMguru posted:"We'll keep cashing our paychecks and sending out pleading fundraising memos, but if our guy looks like he might win we'll sabotage his campaign en masse." Is this really different from Bernie Sanders' upcoming run to keep it real? They're on the campaign to get their issues some air time, not to get their guy elected.
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Leviathan Song posted:Is there any chance that Hillary would pick Chelsea as her VP? She's vetted, has experience on the campaign, and fits the narrative. If you subscribe to the idea that the best thing a VP pick can do is not to hurt the campaign she's a strong choice. Is Chelsea even old enough for the position? EDIT: Looked it up. She isn't, but she will be! She was born in 1980 and the cutoff age is 35. (I thought it was higher than that, somehow.)
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Alien Arcana posted:Is Chelsea even old enough for the position? Just what the Democratic Party needs: a third Clinton presidential candidate.
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Alien Arcana posted:Is Chelsea even old enough for the position? She would be barely. POTUS needs to be 35.
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So.. what happens if Mitt gets Jeb as his VP?
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Foyes36 posted:She would be barely. POTUS needs to be 35. And not worthless.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Just what the Democratic Party needs: a third Clinton presidential candidate. Well we're about to get a third Bush.... It's Bush v Clinton all the way down.
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Warcabbit posted:So.. what happens if Mitt gets Jeb as his VP? This will never happen.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Just what the Democratic Party needs: a third Clinton presidential candidate. Imho this race needs more Kennedys as well
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Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama can take the next 4 election cycles, then Chelsea Clinton, then Malia Obama, then Sasha, and then I think by then Charlotte Clinton-Mezvinsky should be eligible to run.
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In a few centuries Bush and Clinton will be ceremonial titles bestowed on the candidates. And Paul.
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We can prevent that future now. We have that power.
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joeburz posted:Hillary + Castro transitioning into first Latino prez in 2024. if electing BARUCH HOOSAYNE OOGABOOGA dint kill off these sumbiches, one of them lil Castro fellers aint gonna do it. we are just gonna have to wait for natural redneck die-off due to reproductive ineptitude
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