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I'm trying to think of good examples of Lawful Evil characters from fantasy literature as an inspiration for a D&D character - the best I can come up with is Lord Vetinari from the Discworld series. Any other decent ones?
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Jan 22, 2015 20:31
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Peas and Rice posted:I'm trying to think of good examples of Lawful Evil characters from fantasy literature as an inspiration for a D&D character - the best I can come up with is Lord Vetinari from the Discworld series. Any other decent ones? Claude Frollo for sure. Does The Hunchback of Notre Dame count as fantasy literature? I'm just gonna guess it does.
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Jan 22, 2015 20:37
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Peas and Rice posted:I'm trying to think of good examples of Lawful Evil characters from fantasy literature as an inspiration for a D&D character - the best I can come up with is Lord Vetinari from the Discworld series. Any other decent ones? Littlefinger.
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Jan 22, 2015 20:38
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Peas and Rice posted:I'm trying to think of good examples of Lawful Evil characters from fantasy literature as an inspiration for a D&D character - the best I can come up with is Lord Vetinari from the Discworld series. Any other decent ones? Marcone from Dresden? Though urban fantasy might not be a good fit. The Lord Ruler from Mistborn acts like your typical LE overlord type guy. Umbridge or Lucius Malfoy from Harry Potter, I guess as well.
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Jan 22, 2015 20:39
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Peas and Rice posted:I'm trying to think of good examples of Lawful Evil characters from fantasy literature as an inspiration for a D&D character - the best I can come up with is Lord Vetinari from the Discworld series. Any other decent ones? Sauron Sauraman Darth Vader Lexx Luther Jafar (you know, from Aladin) (I think anyway, I'm new to the alignment thing). EDIT: I know you said fantasy but just pick anyone and adopt it to fantasy. Kitchner fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Jan 22, 2015 20:39
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Peas and Rice posted:I'm trying to think of good examples of Lawful Evil characters from fantasy literature as an inspiration for a D&D character - the best I can come up with is Lord Vetinari from the Discworld series. Any other decent ones? Classifying fictional characters into nine-point alignment invariably turns into a shitstorm. But anyway. Dolores Umbridge, the Sheriff of Nottingham, Darth Vader. Any tyrant type who wants to rule because he/she Knows What's Best For You.
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Jan 22, 2015 20:41
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Selachian posted:Classifying fictional characters into nine-point alignment invariably turns into a shitstorm. But anyway. Dolores Umbridge, the Sheriff of Nottingham, Darth Vader. Any tyrant type who wants to rule because he/she Knows What's Best For You. I was going to point out that Lord Vetinari isn't evil but stopped myself because I suspected this is what happens.
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Jan 22, 2015 20:45
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Kitchner posted:Sauron These are all pretty good. LoTR guys might lean more Neutral Evil- depends on how much organizational skill affects the Law axis of alignment. Pretty much anybody who either operates within the laws of society or actively manipulates the laws of society in order to commit acts of evil counts. High ranking noblemen who use their influence to get away with crimes, crooked guard captains, and the like. A lawful evil antagonist who operates at a lower position of power might be the equivalent of a litigious patent-troll- somebody who uses the law as a means to attack other people.
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Jan 22, 2015 20:45
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The alignment system is dumb as hell. If anyone needs to know the alignment of your villians just say they're neutral evil.
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Jan 22, 2015 20:45
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Peas and Rice posted:I'm trying to think of good examples of Lawful Evil characters from fantasy literature as an inspiration for a D&D character - the best I can come up with is Lord Vetinari from the Discworld series. Any other decent ones? However, LE is basically the Loyal Henchman alignment. Most boss bad guys are too ambitious to be Lawful IMO. I know you asked for fantasy examples, but the Decepticon Soundwave is who comes to my mind. Darth Vader definitely works too.
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Jan 22, 2015 20:49
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gradenko_2000 posted:Okay, so a Rogue needs a weapon to be Light so he can dual-wield it, Finesse so he can use his DEX modifier with it, and Simple so he has proficiency with it. That pretty much leaves us with just a dagger. Rogues can dual wield short swords. If they are in melee along with an ally they get their sneak attack every round as well.
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Jan 22, 2015 20:55
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deadly_pudding posted:These are all pretty good. LoTR guys might lean more Neutral Evil- depends on how much organizational skill affects the Law axis of alignment. Reason I picked them was because Sauron's original reason for becoming evil was to bring order to chaos etc which let's be fair is always the motivations for the best villains. I think the system is as good as any other as long as everyone remembers it's not binary. Oh just remembered, Magneto would be Lawful Evil too I guess as he has a code that he sticks to and wants to build a new world order.
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Jan 22, 2015 20:59
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Sanzuo posted:Rogues can dual wield short swords. If they are in melee along with an ally they get their sneak attack every round as well. This is what I've been doing, so if both hit I'm getting 1D6+4 x 2 and then D6 extra damage, which ain't bad.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:00
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Kitchner posted:This is what I've been doing, so if both hit I'm getting 1D6+4 x 2 and then D6 extra damage, which ain't bad. Remember, off hand doesn't get ability damage.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:04
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Couple of British comic book characters: Torquemada from Nemesis The Warlock ("Be pure! Be vigilant! BEHAVE!"), and Blackblood from ABC Warriors. And Judge Dredd, maybe, although he's more Lawful Bastard.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:14
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Sanzuo posted:Remember, off hand doesn't get ability damage. I have actually been doing that, just didn't put it in the post. Oops!
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Jan 22, 2015 21:20
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Payndz posted:Couple of British comic book characters: Torquemada from Nemesis The Warlock ("Be pure! Be vigilant! BEHAVE!"), and Blackblood from ABC Warriors. And Judge Dredd, maybe, although he's more Lawful Bastard. Judge Dredd is definitely either Lawful Neutral or Lawful Good(not Lawful Nice).
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Jan 22, 2015 21:23
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Ooh, Lawful [Some Word] has hit the thread. Someone start an argument about what alignment Batman is, I have a bingo card to fill out.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:27
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Alignment is actually a perfect fit for next because it's both TRADITION and nobody knows how the gently caress it's supposed to work.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:29
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roll a d20 to align the pee pee with the doo doo
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Jan 22, 2015 21:38
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Next's own alignment is clearly Chaotic Neutral.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:39
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Sanzuo posted:Rogues can dual wield short swords. If they are in melee along with an ally they get their sneak attack every round as well. I forgot about short swords. 1d6 Finesse Light and a second chance at triggering Sneak Attack probably means it's better than a Light Crossbow if you can spare the Bonus Action and can survive in melee, yes. To be clear though, you don't need to be in melee with someone to trigger Sneak Attack. An ally just has to be all up in the target's grill while you plink away with bolts.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:40
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^^ Ohhhhh... well my group's rogue will be happy to hear that. I sort of think of alignment as being there but not really affecting anything. I think it's okay for monsters and npcs so I can kinda see at a glance how they are supposed to be played. Sanzuo fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Jan 22, 2015 21:40
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quote:Littlefinger. Dolores Umbridge. Magneto. Perfect, awesome. This is actually my character in our Forgotten Realms game (a setting which I know gently caress all about) and I did a dispossessed noble Drow matron as my background who has an enormous chip on her shoulder and is fighting to get her House back. So Lawful Evil seemed like a good alignment. I just wanted to think of some ideas to play her well, but not be "that guy" who turns his alignment into an excuse to be an rear end in a top hat. Alternate solution: simply don't play like an rear end in a top hat.  E: Vetinari just seemed like an example of an evil character who can still get along well with others.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:43
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Alignment worked much better when it was just you're either Lawful and Chaos; whoever's on the opposite alignment will fight you and whoever's on the same alignment will talk to you.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:45
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Alignment is the very worst part of D&D.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:46
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Peas and Rice posted:Perfect, awesome. This is actually my character in our Forgotten Realms game (a setting which I know gently caress all about) and I did a dispossessed noble Drow matron as my background who has an enormous chip on her shoulder and is fighting to get her House back. So Lawful Evil seemed like a good alignment. I just wanted to think of some ideas to play her well, but not be "that guy" who turns his alignment into an excuse to be an rear end in a top hat. Lawful Evil PC in my campaign was super loyal to her friends and way into contracts and agreements, but was otherwise kind of a depraved sociopath. It worked out pretty well.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:47
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gradenko_2000 posted:Alignment worked much better when it was just you're either Lawful and Chaos; whoever's on the opposite alignment will fight you and whoever's on the same alignment will talk to you. I've always liked the idea of lawful societies of different races having very thorough treaties with each other. Like dwarves and fire giants. Honestly I think of most real life people as lawful evil. Especially attorneys and politicians.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:47
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Esser-Z posted:Alignment is the very worst part of D&D. But think of all the online arguments that would have been avoided without it. E: gradenko_2000 posted:Alignment worked much better when it was just you're either Lawful and Chaos; whoever's on the opposite alignment will fight you and whoever's on the same alignment will talk to you. Isn't this how DCC does it? Makes WAY more sense.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:49
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Yea, tbh it is probably better to just scratch out alignment entirely.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:49
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mastershakeman posted:I've always liked the idea of lawful societies of different races having very thorough treaties with each other. Like dwarves and fire giants. No real person has ever been a D&D alignment because they're hilarious caricatures of morality/uniforms to tell you who it's okay to kill.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:50
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gradenko_2000 posted:Alignment worked much better when it was just you're either Lawful and Chaos; whoever's on the opposite alignment will fight you and whoever's on the same alignment will talk to you. It was proto-keywording in B/X, so that certain spells and items could work off them. Undead were evil dudes, so protection from evil worked on them and other evil things.
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Jan 22, 2015 21:56
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Chaotic Neutral: Charlie Hepdo Chaotic Evil: ISIS Why did the latter attack the former? Answer me THAT DnD alignment system! Also after the CIA reports Dick Cheney is definitely Lawful Evil too, so you may want to base your character literally entirely around him.
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Jan 22, 2015 22:12
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Kitchner posted:Also after the CIA reports Dick Cheney is definitely Lawful Evil too, so you may want to base your character literally entirely around him. BRB, casting Magic Missile at my allies' faces.
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Jan 22, 2015 22:26
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isndl posted:I like how they gloss over his rather poor accuracy when firing that fast against a target that close. Not to mention the draw on that bow is pretty much guaranteed to be below standard for a war bow. You could almost say it would be heroic. Something fantastic.
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Jan 22, 2015 22:32
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Kitchner posted:Also after the CIA reports Dick Cheney is definitely Lawful Evil too, so you may want to base your character literally entirely around him. Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance already did that.
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Jan 22, 2015 22:33
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I scream "WHERE IS BIN LADEN?!?" into the Goblin's face and slap him. *rolls dice* He splutters "I don't know, please, stop..." I cast "Create Food and Water" and magically summon 30 gallons of water into the nearby barrel and tell the Goblin he has one last chance.
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Jan 22, 2015 22:37
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I can't believe nobody brought up
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Jan 22, 2015 22:44
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Play fourteen sessions of your players uncovering the secrets of the Thay-Cormyr Affair.
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Jan 22, 2015 22:46
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Littlefinger posted:Maybe an exceptionally talented archer would be more accurate while maintaining speed. Maybe they could do all that with a stronger bow, too. Don't be ridiculous. He would obviously have a magical Bow of Speed +2, specially crafted by the party Wizard and blessed by the party Cleric for extra power against evil. He could never achieve such a feat on his own.
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Jan 22, 2015 22:48
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