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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/23/saudi-arabias-king-misremembered-man-peace/quote:Saudi Arabia’s Tyrant King Misremembered as Man of Peace This is a thread for discussing and collating the hideous hagiography that Serious people are doing on a murderous tyrant who ran one of the most oppressive governments in the world, and considering what this means for propaganda about how they believe in Freedom and Democracy,
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/half-masting-of-flags-following-the-death-of-king-abdullah-bin-abdulaziz-king-of-saudi-arabia Half-masting of flags following the death of King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, King of Saudi Arabia It is with great regret that we learn of the death of the King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, King of Saudi Arabia. It is requested that all flags be half-masted from 8am today until 8pm this evening.
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# ? Jan 23, 2015 15:41 |
Tezzor posted:https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/23/saudi-arabias-king-misremembered-man-peace/ Nope, it's a thread for discussing whether Lawrence of Arabia lied about being sexually assaulted by the Bey of Dera'a in 1917, and why he did so, and also whether he would have kissed me on the lips, now.
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# ? Jan 23, 2015 15:43 |
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Was he behind 9/11?
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# ? Jan 23, 2015 16:07 |
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Fish of hemp posted:Was he behind 9/11? Probably not, although there is certainly something to be said for the fact that his government was, by any standard, a state sponsor of terrorism, and most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi.
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# ? Jan 23, 2015 16:19 |
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Effectronica posted:Nope, it's a thread for discussing whether Lawrence of Arabia lied about being sexually assaulted by the Bey of Dera'a in 1917, and why he did so, and also whether he would have kissed me on the lips, now. He wouldn't've kissed you.
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# ? Jan 23, 2015 16:22 |
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A relative moderate in a country of intolerance is worth noting, as progress almost never happens whole cloth, but yeah, he wasn't a very good person.
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# ? Jan 23, 2015 16:27 |
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boom boom boom posted:He wouldn't've kissed you. Holy poo poo, forum cancers still a thing?
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# ? Jan 23, 2015 16:28 |
boom boom boom posted:He wouldn't've kissed you. Rude. Uncalled for.
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# ? Jan 23, 2015 16:37 |
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cucka posted:A relative moderate in a country of intolerance is worth noting, as progress almost never happens whole cloth, but yeah, he wasn't a very good person. Saudi Arabia's intolerance and oppression did not fall from the sky. They were created in large part by policies enacted by Abdullah and his family. Wahabbism, for example, is a particular and extreme interpretation of Islam which has been the primary force of Islamic radicalism, and has been nurtured and protected by the Sauds for decades now.
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# ? Jan 23, 2015 16:43 |
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duck monster posted:Holy poo poo, forum cancers still a thing? Considering how it was implemented they probably don't know how to disable it.
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# ? Jan 23, 2015 16:46 |
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duck monster posted:Holy poo poo, forum cancers still a thing? Another pointless attempt to silence discussion about Gamergate
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# ? Jan 23, 2015 16:51 |
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He was no angel.
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# ? Jan 23, 2015 16:51 |
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Tezzor posted:Saudi Arabia's intolerance and oppression did not fall from the sky. They were created in large part by policies enacted by Abdullah and his family. Wahabbism, for example, is a particular and extreme interpretation of Islam which has been the primary force of Islamic radicalism, and has been nurtured and protected by the Sauds for decades now. The house of Saud, while far from being perfect, gave a voice to the followers of Mohammad Ibn Abd Al Wahhab and Sayyid Qutb, two of the most important shapers of modern Islamic identity, and as well as two of the most stalwart enemies of liberalism and the cultural homogenization driven by global capitalism. Criticisms of "Wahbbism" are a cheap and tawdry way to disguise Islamophobia, because by proxy you insult the noble Salafs, and to do so is to insult the ummah: quote:”And whoever opposes the Messenger after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than the way of the believers [the companions] - We will give him what he has taken and drive him into Hell, and evil it is as a destination." You're also applying a western standard to a parallel path of modernization and human development- one that has managed to, in the course of a few generations, to nearly double the life expectancy of millions of nomads, while at the same time preserving tawheed, which is more precious than you can understand is something someone could conceivably argue. edit:(this post is a joke SFOD-D don't kill me) Dilkington fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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I'm surprised at the lack of interest. For example, where are the people who denounce Putin because they are just aghast at the comparatively insignificant Russian restrictions on homosexuality?
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 01:15 |
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Tezzor posted:I'm surprised at the lack of interest. For example, where are the people who denounce Putin because they are just aghast at the comparatively insignificant Russian restrictions on homosexuality? Generally those folks also dislike the Saudi monarchy.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 01:18 |
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Qom, Saudomy, and the Lash
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 01:27 |
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Effectronica posted:Nope, it's a thread for discussing whether Lawrence of Arabia lied about being sexually assaulted by the Bey of Dera'a in 1917, and why he did so, and also whether he would have kissed me on the lips, now. He'd have kissed you, long and lovingly and with a passion unknown to modern man
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 01:28 |
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Saudi Arabia is probably the only country in the world that is worse in all ways then the US.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 01:48 |
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Powercrazy posted:Saudi Arabia is probably the only country in the world that is worse in all ways then the US. Obviously you haven't been to Somalia recently
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 02:07 |
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Effectronica what is your av from also the king was prob gay
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 02:24 |
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They may be a medieval theocracy, but at least they're our medieval theocracy.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 02:36 |
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Dilkington posted:The house of Saud, while far from being perfect, gave a voice to the followers of Mohammad Ibn Abd Al Wahhab and Sayyid Qutb, two of the most important shapers of modern Islamic identity, and as well as two of the most stalwart enemies of liberalism and the cultural homogenization driven by global capitalism. I agree it sure is anti-imperialistic to behead homosexuals
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 02:37 |
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Typo posted:I agree it sure is anti-imperialistic to behead homosexuals I think for the foreseeable future, both imperialist and anti-imperialist tendencies in the Arabian Peninsula will involve the beheading of homosexuals.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 02:40 |
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Dilkington posted:The house of Saud, while far from being perfect, gave a voice to the followers of Mohammad Ibn Abd Al Wahhab and Sayyid Qutb, two of the most important shapers of modern Islamic identity, and as well as two of the most stalwart enemies of liberalism and the cultural homogenization driven by global capitalism. Sorry but Wahbbism is poo poo tier Islam. Fuckers destroyed their own heritage sites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_early_Islamic_heritage_sites_in_Saudi_Arabia
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Tezzor posted:I'm surprised at the lack of interest. For example, where are the people who denounce Putin because they are just aghast at the comparatively insignificant Russian restrictions on homosexuality? I think that is because most people assumed that Russia was at least somewhat of a modern society while assuming that most people in Saudi Arabia were like Dilkington. There was a point in history where Russia was not as homophobic as it is today, and the current homophobia stretches far beyond simply the law that was passed in the Duma. Russia has taken a strikingly homophobic turn in the past few years whereas Saudi Arabia is the same as it has been for a while.
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MaxxBot posted:I think that is because most people assumed that Russia was at least somewhat of a modern society while assuming that most people in Saudi Arabia were like Dilkington. There was a point in history where Russia was not as homophobic as it is today, and the current homophobia stretches far beyond simply the law that was passed in the Duma. Russia has taken a strikingly homophobic turn in the past few years whereas Saudi Arabia is the same as it has been for a while. Yeah the revival of the Orthodox Church has a lot to do with that I feel.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 03:06 |
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King Ralph was the last true monarch.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 03:22 |
While going from the 5th century into the 6th is technically progression is still loving sucks.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 03:38 |
Darkman Fanpage posted:Effectronica what is your av from also the king was prob gay The videogame Persona 2: Innocent Sin
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 03:44 |
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You can't make an omelette without flogging and beheading a few eggs.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 04:49 |
Beheading is really one of the most humane methods of execution, the issue is more who you are beheading and why. Behead all aristocrats, except that will never happen to any disgusting criminals against humanity who happen to support American interests.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 05:42 |
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Its his counterrevolutionary nature which Abdullah is lauded for. If anything, he hadn't had beheaded nearly enough folks.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 05:50 |
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Dilkington posted:The house of Saud, while far from being perfect, gave a voice to the followers of Mohammad Ibn Abd Al Wahhab and Sayyid Qutb, two of the most important shapers of modern Islamic identity, and as well as two of the most stalwart enemies of liberalism and the cultural homogenization driven by global capitalism. I was going for a fun pastiche of some twitter users I followed back in 2011. I, poster Dilkington, don't actually believe these things.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 06:18 |
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No see he couldn't make changes in the flogging and head chopping and probably stoning poo poo because he had to answer to uh... poo poo give me a sec.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 06:31 |
Tatum Girlparts posted:No see he couldn't make changes in the flogging and head chopping and probably stoning poo poo because he had to answer to
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 06:49 |
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If Saudi Arabia can behead people as a matter of state policy and still be allies, maybe it's not that hard to make peace with ISIS instead of going around doing wars.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:If Saudi Arabia can behead people as a matter of state policy and still be allies, maybe it's not that hard to make peace with ISIS instead of going around doing wars. ISIS doesn't behead the right people. If ISIS started beheading militant islamists, jihadis, communists, and accepted the right of Israel to exist, then it wouldn't be ISIS. Unfortunately, individuals like yourself refuse to distinguish between a justified beheading and an unjust beheading.
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# ? Jan 24, 2015 07:30 |
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Of course its always "My beheading is the only moral beheading" with you people isn't it?
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Sorcerer attacks jump 70%
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