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Allen Wren posted:The only time I can think of that I've heard a twelve-string is the beginning of "Jeremy" by Pearl Jam. Cheap Trick's bassist Tom Petersson is credited with inventing the 12-string and has been playing them on all their records since the late seventies.
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WescottF1 posted:Cheap Trick's bassist Tom Petersson is credited with inventing the 12-string and has been playing them on all their records since the late seventies. No poo poo. Huh.
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anthrax uses them on occasion but who gvies a poo poo about anthrax e: also i think i've found the only dickhole monkey handle ibanez i've ever coveted. looks like it was refinished with that spray on truck bed liner stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbSAXwShd1Y
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White Dog Eggs posted:Someone just sent this to me with the caption "Namm 2015". You now know as much as I do. I want to hate this but his Oompa Loompa costume makes it all the more fantastic. edit: The headstock says, "Prat". This is fantastic.
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IronLawnmower posted:You've made an enemy for life. comes along bort posted:the irony is the rampant ibanez fanboyism considering they were the first to really capitalize on both the downtuned cookie monster thing and later nu-metal Get your history straight and stop loving hating. You know all those detuned bands? You know where the got the idea to tune down? King's X. http://everyrecordtellsastory.com/2013/03/30/kings-x-this-band-was-once-the-future-of-rock/ quote:Kings X – This Band Was Once The Future Of Rock quote:King's X King's X: Dogman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlqydZOrXbA Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Jan 28, 2015 00:10
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comes along bort posted:anthrax uses them on occasion but who gvies a poo poo about anthrax one of my old Forum Friends had one of those rip mxtabs forums
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Dr. Faustus posted:You know all those detuned bands? You know where the got the idea to tune down? King's X. One of the reasons King's X never got a lot of guitar press outside of album reviews was Ty Tabor's fear that someone was going to steal his sound. Back in the early days, dude used to hide his poo poo under curtains so no one could see what equipment was or what his settings were. I'd see his name pop up in Guitar Player and poo poo, but they never covered him in-depth because he wouldn't share specs or even his basic rig info with anyone. Kind of the opposite of most guitarists I know, who can't shut the gently caress up about their poo poo.
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Jan 28, 2015 00:43
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kings x is some pussified garbage lol
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BigHustle posted:One of the reasons King's X never got a lot of guitar press outside of album reviews was Ty Tabor's fear that someone was going to steal his sound. Back in the early days, dude used to hide his poo poo under curtains so no one could see what equipment was or what his settings were. I'd see his name pop up in Guitar Player and poo poo, but they never covered him in-depth because he wouldn't share specs or even his basic rig info with anyone. Yes this is true. The amazing thing is that he got that amazing tone from a Lab L5 amp, from the amazing guy who made the Pearce amps. They were solid-state. And yet they sounded loving amazing! So yeah, he hid them, because I think he was afraid people would slag him for playing Labs. And yet, Out Of The Silent Planet, Gretchen Goes To Nebraska, Faith, Hope, Love, King's X, were all loving amazing tones. Then Dogman was Mesas, and Zions. Then, Ear Candy was Marshalls, Then it went downhill with ART amps, etc. You have to admit those first six albums (loving Brendan O'Brien) were awesome as gently caress. After that, I don't much care. Still, You name a band that tuned down, and I loving guarantee you they copied King's X. fyodor posted:kings x is some pussified garbage lol
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Dr. Faustus posted:Still, You name a band that tuned down, and I loving guarantee you they copied King's X. looool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gjQwS98oMg
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Dr. Faustus posted:Nope. Well can we all just agree that all metal is stupid?
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king's x is played over the pa at an applebee's while grandma eats your rear end in a top hat out
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HollisBrown posted:Well can we all just agree that all metal is stupid? I like metal, I do, but...    It's not even like you have to look hard, you know?
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Dr. Faustus posted:Don't blame IBZ for that poo poo, dude. King's X detuned and wrote heavy metal with Beatles/Gospel vocals, years before IBZ made 7-strings (and Steve Vai made them popular). Ty Tabor never played an Ibanez. He played Yamahas, Fenders, Customs, Gibsons, Zions, and many more guitars. nah, they signed korn as endorsees pretty early on in iirc 95 right before they blew up, then not long after pushed all the 80s shred and jazz guys to the back of the catalogs and marketing stuff in favor of guys like dino cazares and the dude from limp bizkit if anything it was really forward looking of them considering for probably a half decade they were the only game in town as far as production extended range guitars goes. there was actually a backlash for a while because they were so successful they were associated almost entirely with nu-metal for a few years in the early 2000s until i guess noted kings x fans meshuggah ended a lot of the stigma surrounding extra stringed guitars Dr. Faustus posted:Still, You name a band that tuned down, and I loving guarantee you they copied King's X. it's great every time you trot this out as if it's somehow even physically possible, because it implies kings x has access to a time machine which they used to travel back to at least the 1960s to tell tony iommi what's up, and probably a good hundred years before then to give lessons to isaac albeniz i mean, what a colossal waste of resources, demolishing all current knowledge of the time-space continuum merely to tell people to tune their guitars down. at the very least they could've warned stalin about hitler or told truman not to commit troops to french indochina Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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comes along bort posted:nah, they signed korn as endorsees pretty early on in iirc 95 quote:The first Universes, the UV7 and UV77 appeared on the market in 1990, though Vai had played prototypes in live performances before that. The UV7 was available in white (UV7PWH) or black with green appointments (UV7BK). The UV77 was available in a swirled multicolor finish (UV77MC) and is now considered a collector's item. The production UV77MCs were swirled first in Japan. Steve Vai had agreed to only allow the guitars to be produced if they were swirled at the same place his prototypes were: About Time Designs. After a brief period, the UV77MC Japanese Swirls were aborted in favor of the ATD-Swirled ones. The ATD swirled models were done at the ATD factory by Darren Johansen on Long Island N.Y. HollisBrown posted:Well can we all just agree that all metal is stupid? Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TtWAV3mf20
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Dr. Faustus posted:1995, you say? poo poo is like a capstone project from corporate rock institute of america™.
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Dr. Faustus posted:1995, you say?
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Oh god - just saw this in the PYF Funny Pics  600EUR? whose in for a timeshare? http://www.ebay.de/itm/santamaria-E-Gitarre-Guitar-Chitarra-Strat-Steampunk-vintage-Plasma-Handmade-/171646653116
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Dr. Faustus posted:1995, you say? yeah they were first marketed to noodly shredder dudes but that was right at the rear end end of that whole thing so a ton got dumped on the used market for cheap, which is when korn, morbid angel, fear factory, et. al picked them up and used them for their god-given rightful purpose. seriously, you could find them for well under a grand for a while around 92-93. same with sunn amps before you know who made it so you hardly get a model t for under 2 large incidentally the dual rec was initially put out for the same market and found a second life soon after Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Dr. Faustus posted:1995, you say? Those guys are clearly just playing. A true metal band, like Manowar, actually kill. Remember this. I discovered King's X after seeing them open for Dream Theater and Satriani at a show in Jacksonville. King's X is the part I still remember fondly. Dumb music crap: I saw a flute today made by Conn-Selmer that had a rhinestone glued on the crown that left the factory like that. I'm certain it was sold at a markup based entirely on that rhinestone.
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quote:King’s X has been a huge influence on other bands such as longtime fans Pearl Jam, Anthrax and Living Colour. quote:nah, they signed korn as endorsees pretty early on in iirc 95 right before they blew up, then not long after pushed all the 80s shred and jazz guys to the back of the catalogs and marketing stuff in favor of guys like dino cazares and the dude from limp bizkit Nice edit, Bort. Way to ignore the Ibanez 7-string that Vai played five+ years before Korn (lol), Korn). Korn Gilbert is on page 2, Satch is on 3, and Vai's lineup in on Page 4. Not exactly "pushed to the back." There are forty-three pages. comes along bort posted:yeah they were first marketed to noodly shredder dudes but that was right at the rear end end of that whole thing so a ton got dumped on the used market for cheap, which is when korn, morbid angel, fear factory, et. al picked them up and used them for their god-given rightful purpose what Noodly shredder dudes? Like whom? Steve Vai? Can you name another noodly shredder dude who endorsed 7 string Ibanezes in 1990? It was featured on Passon and Warfare and Whitesnake. How many other albums from 1989 and 1990 had 7-string guitars? You win, Bort. Enough already.
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Faustus, remember that time you spent several consecutive months not being relentlessly barking at the moon crazy?
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HollisBrown posted:Well can we all just agree that all metal is stupid? Yes.
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i'm going to listen to morbid angel and emperor now
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TheChaosPath posted:Faustus, remember that time you spent several consecutive months not being relentlessly barking at the moon crazy?
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Dr. Faustus posted:Other bands that credit King's X include Soundgarden, Live, Stone Temple Pilots, Collective Soul, Cry of Love, etc. I bought a UV7 in 1991 for about $1200. I was an idiot in 1991 thinking I was Alex Skolnic jr. It was the best playing guitar I ever owned even if it did sound like poo poo. I don't know of any electronics that would have saved it. Even then I was embarrassed to be seen with it in public. It was textbook fool and his money. That said, I do regret selling it and sometimes troll ebay from the SN.
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Dr. Faustus posted:quote: aka everything wrong with the 90s 
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fyodor posted:aka everything wrong with the 90s I always associated kings x with 90's lame alt/grunge bullshit and apparently wasn't wrong.
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oh wow cry of love i hadn't thought about them in probably 20 years i don't think anyone not from nc has even heard of them W424 posted:I always associated kings x with 90's lame alt/grunge bullshit and apparently wasn't wrong. well they were lame 80s hard rock before piggybacking onto the lame 90s alt thing i always associated them with stuff like phil keaggy for some reason. i think it was all the jesusy undertones without being a full-on christian band, sorta like what creed pulled off later on down the road Dr. Faustus posted:Nice edit, Bort. Way to ignore the Ibanez 7-string that Vai played five+ years before Korn (lol), Korn). Korn Gilbert is on page 2, Satch is on 3, and Vai's lineup in on Page 4. Not exactly "pushed to the back." There are forty-three pages. i'm not ignoring it (that's what the guitar playing public did until korn got big lol), i'm just saying that's what happened. ibanez put out what at the time was basically a super expensive novelty instrument aimed at a very niche crowd right when that sort of thing was on the wane. unsurprisingly it didn't sell all that well and the product was discontinued shortly thereafter then a couple years later people coming from a completely different mindset discovered them, and ibanez being the savvy company that it is figured money is money and eventually reissued them and later cheaper models, essentially creating the market for extended range instruments we have today. there's a reason nobody except you associates 7-string guitars with steve vai, irrespective of the fact he was the reason they came to market in the first place it's like pantera's first four albums. yeah they exist and they're as much a product of their time as the albums the band was actually known for, but their fans are completely oblivious to their existence because in effect it's a moot point, regardless of their individual merits (or lack thereof depending on taste) e: the one possible indirect link you can make from noodly 80s shredders to low-tuned cookie monster stuff is morbid angel, who had 7-string stuff on covenant which came out in 93. their guitarist was very much of the 80s shred mold, except he could actually write an okay song from time to time (maybe not now though). i wouldn't doubt he got the idea from hearing vai. but again that's a very niche thing and wouldn't in and of itself account for the instrument's later growth in popularity. if only kids in the 90s were scrambling to learn the main riff from where the slime live, maybe we wouldn't have had all those school shootings Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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of course this is all ignoring the bands who'd been tuning to b standard on regular six strings for years i.e. carcass, entombed, etc.
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I'm gonna tune to B standard with a Little Thunder pickup, a boss harmonist ps-6 and a pog 2.
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like 4 octave of chords by playing a single note
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muike posted:i'm going to listen to morbid angel and emperor now Good idea. Metal rools u pesents.
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i have to be correct on the internet about guitars that make beep boop bop noises
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once i actually listened to a king x song i kind of skipped past all the arguments itt, god that is terrible.
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Yeah, I'm not sure how saying that a band is in Stone Temple Pilots' influence list is supposed to make me acknowledge them as rock visionaries. If you told me Linkin Park's later work was influenced by Crazytown, I wouldn't like either of them better either.
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comes along bort posted:of course this is all ignoring the bands who'd been tuning to b standard on regular six strings for years i.e. carcass, entombed, etc. When i saw G3 back in 2006, Vai played THe Audience is Listening on his 6 string tuned down. I think they 7 stringers must be difficult to play even for someone like Vai who is concentrating on doing a good show. Actually, most of the bands that adopted the 7 string don't really have good guitarists. There are a couple of exceptions of course.
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hey guys i just discovered this really cool band, what do you thinK??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPLSib2GtnU
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ThePutty posted:hey guys i just discovered this really cool band, what do you thinK??? lol i just looked it up this was released in 1994. MBV Loveless, Melvins Lysol and Houdini, SY's Goo and Daydream Nation, Mudhoney's Superfuzz Bigmuff, Pixies Surfer Rosa, Spacemen 3, Superchunk, the Wipers, Minutemen, Jesus Lizard, etc., etc. All at or slightly before 1994.
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i bought a king's X record once on a recommendation and holy poo poo that is one of the few albums i regret buying
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