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Pinterest Mom posted:2008 Huckabee is the Huckabee who was given the chance to repudiate his 1992 comments about people with HIV/AIDS needing to be "isolated" from society, and didn't take it. He wasn't a nice guy. Oh don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to imply that his is, rather than on that one occasion he expressed a surprising degree of understanding running contrary to the frothing outrage just about every other Republican was indulging in over "god drat America!" Hieronymous Alloy posted:Huckabee is one of the more frightening Republican candidates because he's smart, charming, and (relatively) sane, which makes him a one-eyed man in the land of the blind as far as the modern Republican party is concerned. He's just got the old-time religion. I wouldn't call him all that frightening, as I don't see how even if he makes a real run he'll make it out of the primaries without getting eaten alive for 1) occasionally being non-terrible on this and that, and 2) the whole cop killer commutation thing.
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mcmagic posted:I don't think calling a completely non-controversial popular pop star a whore is a relatively smart or charming thing for someone running for public office to do... Walker doesn't have the religion, does he? You're right, that whole Beyonce thing seemed like a major slip up for Huckabee. I wonder if he's getting old or if maybe being on Fox has weakened his instincts.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Walker doesn't have the religion, does he? Oh I don't think you know Scott. He was literally an abortion clinic protester before he held elected office.
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Jan 29, 2015 21:47
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Walker doesn't have the religion, does he?
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The Bunk posted:I see two bald men with white mustaches and bushy eyebrows kissing. You're just seeing what you want to see.
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Jan 29, 2015 21:53
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I think it's more likely that Huckabee was fishing around for a new thing for old white people to get outraged about that he could spearhead.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Walker doesn't have the religion, does he? Everything Huck says sounds just like your local Southern Baptist preacher. Huck preached in Arkansas for decades. He had to come up with a new sermon every single week, and if he was like any baptist preacher I've ever seen, what he does is recycle the same poo poo but set the pop culture references to 3 years behind current popularity so the congregation will actually understand it. It doesn't matter what pop culture IS, whatever it is, it is ungodly and from the pulpit you will hear about how it is reflective of a world covered in sin, that you should reject and save yourself from. A woman in tight clothing? She's a whore, or at the most 'generous', causing 'unpure' thoughts and exploiting herself and the men around her. Anyone at all in your pop culture talking about or having sex outside of marriage or homosexuality (not sure if Huck knows that Beyonce is married, but this goes way beyond just them), they're undermining marriage. Hey, does that pop culture you consume include anyone using any mind altering substance, you're promoting drugs to kids. For those of you who know about Southern Baptist theology, you know how important the idea of a sin cursed world is, and it is important that the line between what is godly and not godly stay firm. Not that that causes the congregation to stop interacting with pop culture, it just gives them a sense of superiority about the whole thing. Like when Disney started having a gay weekend, my preschool, which was in a SBC Church, stopped showing any Disney movies, though most people were just frustrated, didn't care, and certainly didn't keep up the boycott in everything, but every Disney product in the school from then on was double checked for "ungodly" influence, for years after that. To me this sounds like Huck thinks his sermons from early 1990's Arkansas can double as stump speeches.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Walker doesn't have the religion, does he? No, he's just older, whiter, and angrier.
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How is walker expecting to win when his state is garbage in terms of metrics other than "how horrible has their governor been the past X years"
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joeburz posted:How is walker expecting to win when his state is garbage in terms of metrics other than "how horrible has their governor been the past X years" Because he's has the most crossover appeal from both the batshit insane tea party base and the wall st funders. And the Koch's LOVE him.
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joeburz posted:How is walker expecting to win when his state is garbage in terms of metrics other than "how horrible has their governor been the past X years" Jamelle Bouie over at Slate believes his plan will be to double down on political polarization and try to get out the white vote.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Jamelle Bouie over at Slate believes his plan will be to double down on political polarization and try to get out the white vote. This strategy isn't unique to walker. It will be what any republican nominee is relying on.
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Jan 29, 2015 23:37
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I guess they're relying on that tripe Sean Trende suggested in mid-2013?
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Scott Walker Cohle posted:I think conservative consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware. Nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself - we are creatures that should not exist by natural law... We are things that labor under the illusion of having a chance at the presidency, that accretion of sensory experience and feelings, programmed with total assurance that we are each electable, when in fact everbody's terrible... I think the honorable thing for our party to do is to deny our programming. Stop fundraising, walk hand in hand into demographic extinction - one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of ever winning an election past 2020.
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Fundraising is a fat circle.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Jamelle Bouie over at Slate believes his plan will be to double down on political polarization and try to get out the white vote. good luck winning any of the midwestern states that actually have black people in 'em, Scott
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Jan 30, 2015 00:26
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mcmagic posted:Because he's has the most crossover appeal from both the batshit insane tea party base and the wall st funders. And the Koch's LOVE him. Why wouldn't they, his career seems to be based on loving unions as hard as humanly possible
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scott walker frightened away from debate stage by the audience: the collected ghosts of the Iron Brigade
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oldswitcheroo posted:Anyone at all in your pop culture talking about or having sex outside of marriage or homosexuality (not sure if Huck knows that Beyonce is married, but this goes way beyond just them), they're undermining marriage. He knows. He called Jay Z her pimp for letting his wife be seen with exposed skin.
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gently caress me, True Detective ripped off Tom Ligotti?!? No wonder people thought it was a great show. Now I basically have to watch it ASAP. By the way, if you dig that quote then go pick up Ligotti's The Conspiracy Against The Human Race, from whence it came. And of course Ligotti himself was riffing on Zapffe's Last Messiah.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I guess they're relying on that tripe Sean Trende suggested in mid-2013? The Sailer strategy goes back a bit further than that.
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comes along bort posted:The Sailer strategy goes back a bit further than that. Oh? Never heard of that one.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Oh? Never heard of that one. Have fun googling Steve Sailer and avoiding white supremacist websites.
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mdemone posted:gently caress me, True Detective ripped off Tom Ligotti?!? No wonder people thought it was a great show. The parts that riff on Ligotti are the least interesting bits of the show so yes, you should go watch it
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Chantilly Say posted:The parts that riff on Ligotti are the least interesting bits of the show so yes, you should go watch it lol I've no idea who Ligotti is but True Detective owns, get over it. It's so good.
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bpower posted:Huh, that's weird. I think I love...Megyn Kelly. She, like most FOX News employees, is a liberal who does it because she thinks she's interchangeable.
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mlmp08 posted:lol I've no idea who Ligotti is but True Detective owns, get over it. It's so good. I've never read Ligotti but my understanding is he's the guy Rust is always quoting when he goes on one of his "life is pain" tangents, so I guess if you liked those parts a lot the show would seem even better I don't know if Ligotti wrote anything about getting cranked up with bikers but I know which parts of the show I liked better than Phil 101 with Dr. Cohle (Great show, I just noticed this isn't the chat thread)
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mdemone posted:gently caress me, True Detective ripped off Tom Ligotti?!? No wonder people thought it was a great show. They didn't rip it off. One of the main characters is well-read, and quotes from stuff a lot when describing his personal philosophy. He doesn't give attribution because we don't usually go around saying, "To borrow from Ligotti I believe..." The fact that he's into that kind of stuff is described in a kind of passing fashion early on in the series, and so I think people just forget about it.
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ErIog posted:They didn't rip it off. One of the main characters is well-read, and quotes from stuff a lot when describing his personal philosophy. He doesn't give attribution because we don't usually go around saying, "To borrow from Ligotti I believe..." The fact that he's into that kind of stuff is described in a kind of passing fashion early on in the series, and so I think people just forget about it. Similarly, when people excitedly tell you a news story they heard on NPR, they don't echo the advert phrase "I heard it on NPR" even when you know they did and heard the same story. Polite humans just nod and say that it's an interesting story. I also don't laugh and say "lol Newton" when a physicist discusses gravity.
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ErichZahn posted:She, like most FOX News employees, is a liberal who does it because she thinks she's interchangeable. It's just Kelly is a rich, educated white woman from the north east and Huckabee's brand of aw shucks misogyny just isn't going to work for her. Kelly isn't immune to saying really awful things but she isn't a robot like they have on Fox and Friends.
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We all know Megyn Kelly can be smart and cutting, but she's very specific in her targets. She clowned Rove when he was still claiming Romney could win last election. She pounced all over a guy who argued that maternity leave/pay is bullshit because pregnancy is a choice. She doesn't give a gently caress about anything she's not currently enjoying.
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ErIog posted:They didn't rip it off. One of the main characters is well-read, and quotes from stuff a lot when describing his personal philosophy. He doesn't give attribution because we don't usually go around saying, "To borrow from Ligotti I believe..." The fact that he's into that kind of stuff is described in a kind of passing fashion early on in the series, and so I think people just forget about it. The guy who wrote the show was also pretty upfront about how Ligotti was an influence.
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ErIog posted:They didn't rip it off. One of the main characters is well-read, and quotes from stuff a lot when describing his personal philosophy. He doesn't give attribution because we don't usually go around saying, "To borrow from Ligotti I believe..." The fact that he's into that kind of stuff is described in a kind of passing fashion early on in the series, and so I think people just forget about it. Yeah, I figured it was like that. Not like Ligotti could leave his house long enough to sue for plagiarism even if it hadn't been a good-faith homage. Every influence I hear mentioned for TD punches my buttons but good. At this rate it will wind up my favorite show before I even get around to watching it.
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Daily Beast has "sources" saying Romney's announcing his "intention to explore candidacy" in ~an hour and a half. http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/01/30/mitt-romney-is-running-for-president.html?via=twitter_page Literally everybody already knew this, but it's another step in the chain.
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Who's the last candidate who "explored a candidacy" or announced an exploratory committee that ended up not running?
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Pinterest Mom posted:Who's the last candidate who "explored a candidacy" or announced an exploratiry committee that ended up not running? Haley Barbour did that in 2012.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Who's the last candidate who "explored a candidacy" or announced an exploratory committee that ended up not running? A few do that every year, but its mostly fringe candidates who want to test the waters on fundraising.
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The Chris Hayes All In fantasy draft was pretty entertaining.
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quote:Mark Halperin reports that according to people familiar with his thinking, Romney has concluded that neither of the current frontrunners, Jeb Bush and Chris Christie, can win in a general election. The obvious solution to that problem is the guy who's already lost a general election.
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Romney's out (according to Hugh Hewitt who got this email).quote:Let me begin by letting you know who else is on this call, besides Ann and me. There are a large number of people who signed on to be leaders of our 2016 finance effort. In addition, state political leadership from several of the early primary states are on the line. And here in New York City, and on the phone, are people who have been helping me think through how to build a new team, as well as supporters from the past who have all been kind enough to volunteer their time during this deliberation stage. Welcome, and thank you. Your loyalty and friendship, and your desire to see the country with new, competent and conservative leadership warms my heart. ..... THE END?
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