|
DancinBrud posted:When this happened, I said to myself, "I hope somebody in the thread thinks this means he poisoned the guard, too" and you delivered. Thank you! I will admit to having this as my first thought too... if you think about it, it's not outside the realm of possibility for this show. We've already established that Hydra infiltrated Shield from the beginning, and that infiltration started when they brought literal Nazis into the SSR via Operation Paperclip. We've also established that this new Leviathan organization is good enough to not only sniff Agent Carter out as a legitimate threat, but also to be able to plant deep-cover agents just to keep an eye on her. Following this logic, when he gave that guard the breath mint, it made me think he could be with Hydra and was wanting to cover his tracks with the guard. The Chief being Hydra would lend an extra element to his somewhat far-fetched personal trip to Germany for information, since Hydra would no doubt be very interested in gathering information on this new Leviathan organization. I quickly realized after he made the quip about the Nazi being a couple of inches taller that he's probably not Hydra, but it's fun to think about... and I think sooner than later we're going to see one or more SSR agents revealing they're not who we think they are. Just not the Chief. Probably.
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 20:31
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 03:31 |
|
|
Xealot posted:Wouldn't this also play into Winter Soldier? I don't recall how they explained Bucky; wasn't it that Armin Zola and some HYDRA ex-pats took him to the USSR after the war? I assumed they were using him as some RoboCop guinea pig for the Soviet analog to Project Rebirth. When Cap found Bucky in CA1 he was being experimented on by Hydra - I believe that in CA2 they surmised that something Hydra did to him in CA1 allowed him to survive the fall from the train. He then was captured by the Russians and/or Hydra to be used as the cryo-super-soldier.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 20:35
|
|
|
DancinBrud posted:When this happened, I said to myself, "I hope somebody in the thread thinks this means he poisoned the guard, too" and you delivered. Thank you! It's about time that Agent Carter had it's Ward/May controversy!
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 20:47
|
|
|
Vendetta posted:I will admit to having this as my first thought too... if you think about it, it's not outside the realm of possibility for this show. We've already established that Hydra infiltrated Shield from the beginning, and that infiltration started when they brought literal Nazis into the SSR via Operation Paperclip. We've also established that this new Leviathan organization is good enough to not only sniff Agent Carter out as a legitimate threat, but also to be able to plant deep-cover agents just to keep an eye on her. From how Zola describes it and how it plays out in CA2 and AoS, I think it's pretty clear that the Hydra infiltration of SHIELD started small and slowly spread over decades. It's not going to be an early chief or even a notable founder -- I'd be surprised if it was a founding agent at all rather than an untrusted, firewalled asset that slowly gains the trust of a handler or a sleeper or something like that.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 20:47
|
|
|
Azhais posted:It's about time that Agent Carter had it's Ward/May controversy! Wait, so the chief shot the dog?
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 21:08
|
|
|
OB_Juan posted:Wait, so the chief shot the dog?
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 21:30
|
|
|
Was the dog a Nazi?
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 21:47
|
|
|
It was a cyanide bullet?
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 23:05
|
|
|
Vendetta posted:It was a cyanide bullet? Maybe it was a sapphire bullet and we've been interpreting this thing wrong the whole time!
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 23:06
|
|
|
OB_Juan posted:Wait, so the chief shot the dog? No he screwed the guard
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 23:09
|
|
|
Vendetta posted:It was a cyanide bullet? It was a time traveling knife bullet that acquits on the local.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 23:11
|
|
|
bobkatt013 posted:It was a time traveling knife bullet that acquits on the local. The only creative post in the umpteenth identical derail. Congrats.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 23:15
|
|
|
OB_Juan posted:Was the dog a Nazi? No. Hydra- totally not Nazis.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 23:28
|
|
|
Prisons tend to have more then one guard. Just something I thought I'd throw out there. eta- plus you know a cyanided war criminal and guard might make the papers. Zythrst fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Jan 28, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2015 23:53
|
|
|
More about Dottie and the Black Widow thing from an interview with the showrunners: http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/01/28/marvels-agent-carter-dottie-black-widow
|
|
#
?
Jan 29, 2015 01:32
|
|
|
Awesome, 
|
|
#
?
Jan 29, 2015 02:25
|
|
|
That interrogation scene was pretty depressing. Sousa tries to be sympathetic, but Thompson gets the results by playing to the vet's vice.  Loved the confrontation between Stark and Carter. Atwell and Cooper both nailed it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 29, 2015 09:12
|
|
|
Am I the only one who found himself thinking"Oh,You're gonna be her bitch by the end of the series," after his little "it's the way of the universe" speech.
|
|
#
?
Jan 29, 2015 20:46
|
|
|
Agents of SHIELD season 2 return preview. http://youtu.be/sX8zYa_E_kg
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 00:39
|
|
|
The MSJ posted:Agents of SHIELD season 2 return preview. Oh yeah I love me some Daisy
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 01:10
|
|
|
How the gently caress is this doing badly in the ratings? It's a really creative show with great acting and a solid tie in brand. I'm honestly finding it far more consistently solid than SHIELD.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 09:57
|
|
|
Blazing Ownager posted:How the gently caress is this doing badly in the ratings? I read one review earlier today that called the latest episode boring, it made me wonder if they had been watching the same show as me. I still like Shield more, but I think Agent Carter has been consistently good, and the pacing of the storytelling is one of the absolutely best things about it. I wish we could have both shows on at the same time.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 11:27
|
|
|
Oasx posted:I still like Shield more, but I think Agent Carter has been consistently good, I'm surprised anyone is watching Margie Carter if the highest praise you can pull out of your rear end is "It's not as good as Agents of SHIELD."
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 13:47
|
|
|
Blazing Ownager posted:How the gently caress is this doing badly in the ratings? I know a lot of people who honestly hate superhero poo poo. So they see Marvel on the label and run the other way, even though there has barely been any of that in AoS and AC. Other people see Marvel and WANT superhero stuff, which has barely been in these shows and makes them lose interest. It's lose lose.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 15:22
|
|
|
Also it's on ABC.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 15:25
|
|
|
The MSJ posted:Agents of SHIELD season 2 return preview. Are they really going to pull this "I'm going to keep what happened to me a secret" poo poo? If this gets dragged out over more than 20 minutes I'm going to be pissed.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 15:34
|
|
|
bamhand posted:Are they really going to pull this "I'm going to keep what happened to me a secret" poo poo? If this gets dragged out over more than 20 minutes I'm going to be pissed. The scenes showed Skye in medical quarantine so I get the feeling that everyone realizes some serious poo poo happened to her; Coulson was also told about it by Hyde. Frankly, Skye might not really know what exactly happened to her but I think it's clear that she and Coulson both know that something serious went down.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 16:00
|
|
|
It was more the voice over saying how she had a dark secret after everyone has come to trust her. I hope you are right though!
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 16:10
|
|
|
I would like to remind all you nerd that at one point Black Window was Anastasia Romanov in 616, bad nerds for not knowing that.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 16:48
|
|
|
Blazing Ownager posted:How the gently caress is this doing badly in the ratings? The initial promos being really bad might have something to do with it, and does it even have a credible lead-in at 8?
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 17:52
|
|
|
bamhand posted:It was more the voice over saying how she had a dark secret after everyone has come to trust her. I hope you are right though! I wouldn't put too much stock in a trailer. For one thing, those thing are specifically designed to be as overly dramatic as possible. They're also not always handled by the actual people making the show so the whole "Make it seem like it's some huge dark secret" angle might not have even been their idea or what they're going for with the episode. I mean, we had Coulson's ~*~mysterious past~*~ be a thing for like a dozen episodes too long so who knows, but they've seemed to learn from their mistakes from the first season so hopefully that's just some trailer fuckery.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 20:13
|
|
|
I don't even think that's what the trailer was trying to convey anyways. The idea (at least to me), was more about how she was an accepted, trusted member of the team who has now had an upheaval that they do not understand. Nothing in that trailer implies that Skye is going to keep what happened to her secret, its the fact that what was inside her was a secret to everyone all along (including Skye herself), but its out there and they have to figure it out and deal with it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 20:18
|
|
|
Blazing Ownager posted:How the gently caress is this doing badly in the ratings? It's not that great of a show. The acting is OK for what the show is, but it's nothing special. It's got a lot of problems to deal with so I can understand why. It's a limited run series. It has had almost no world building. It relies on the viewer to remember enough about this character and the world of CA1. It is also a period show. It's doesn't tie into anything other than a movie, for the most part. A movie that came out years ago. Sure, it is in the same world as Agents of SHIELD and the Marvel franchise, but it has noting else to do with it. And its 50 years in the past. It is only going to be an 8 episode run. So far, we're halfway through and we haven't even seen the outside threats to the SSR or any 'machinery' in place to see how it would transform into what SHIELD would be. So, still, nothing really ties it into the present other than we know that this is SHIELD's predecessor.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 20:45
|
|
|
Oh, hi Peggy. http://www.zap2it.com/videos/zap2it-first-dum-dum-dugan-reunites-with-peggy-in-this-agent-carter-clip-881508
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 20:49
|
|
|
Blazing Ownager posted:How the gently caress is this doing badly in the ratings? First, it's a period spy drama, which is an inherently niche genre by broadcast network standards. Secondly, it has "Marvel" and "Agent" in the title, a combination unlikely to endear it to anyone who didn't stick with SHIELD. I think at the time ABC ordered this to series, their expectations for SHIELD S2 were that it would grow or at least retain its audience from S1, but it hasn't panned out that way. Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jan 30, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2015 20:54
|
|
|
Doctor Butts posted:It's not that great of a show. The acting is OK for what the show is, but it's nothing special. What grates me the most is the show's depiction of the patriarchal 1940s America. It could have been interesting as a subtle undercurrent, but the writers insist on making it a major theme of the show and beating the audience over the head with overt sexism in every single episode. The part where Thompson flat out tells Carter that "it's the natural order of things in the universe" almost made me turn it off.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2015 02:41
|
|
|
That got to me, as did Stark's glass ceiling speech (the term was coined in the late 80s). I get that they want to hit the sexism button for some reason, but its hard to shout "you show 'em Peggy!" when these guys aren't bad guys, per se, but good guys who were born and raised under a different value system. I mean, everybody at the SSR is a former soldier, a good cop and a family man. There's nothing to hate about them except the way disrespect Peggy (the impact of which, ironically enough, is undercut by Peggy's undercover work. In helping Stark, Peggy is the "bad guy" from a purely objective standpoint). I'm not about to condemn these guys because they don't conform to late 20th century feminist ideals (girls can do anything guys can do) or even 21st century feminist ideals (girls are incapable of excelling due to the patriarchy) when they are 1) living and working in the 1950s and 2) explicitly written to exploit and offend modern sensibilities.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2015 02:51
|
|
|
It's almost like sexism at the time wasn't actually subtle at all and portraying it as such would be super disingenuous and do a disservice to one of the major themes of the show... If only they had some subtlety to it. You know, like the ads at the time did: 
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2015 02:52
|
|
|
It wasn't a "subtle undercurrent" back then. Hell, it isn't a subtle undercurrent now, especially among the kind of people who'd watch this show.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2015 02:53
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 03:31 |
|
|
VDay posted:It's almost like sexism at the time wasn't actually subtle at all and portraying it as such would be super disingenuous and do a disservice to one of the major themes of the show... You understand that's a joke and not a social statement, right? I know goons are dumb, but they're not that dumb.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2015 02:55
|
|