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Beef Waifu posted:Saki was the only one he intentionally murdered, yeah. He did attempt to murder everyone else thrown in the TV World, though. Directly in the case of Mitsuo.
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Speaking of Persona story stuff: are we supposed to see Persona 3/4 as taking place in the same continuity as Persona 1/2? Obviously the blue butterflies represent Philemon, but you never actually meet him, there aren't any demons, and personas behave differently. For example, the casts of Persona 3/4 can apparently only use their personas under special circumstances, like the Dark Hour or while in the TV World, while the characters in Persona 1/2 can apparently use their personas anytime, anywhere. (Not to mention how anyone can change personas in Persona 1/2, but only the protagonists in 3/4.) SMT has a long precedent for multiple universes, so even if they don't take place in the same continuity they're probably in the same multiverse, but I'm still curious.
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Feb 4, 2015 18:57
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Harrow posted:Speaking of Persona story stuff: are we supposed to see Persona 3/4 as taking place in the same continuity as Persona 1/2? Obviously the blue butterflies represent Philemon, but you never actually meet him, there aren't any demons, and personas behave differently. For example, the casts of Persona 3/4 can apparently only use their personas under special circumstances, like the Dark Hour or while in the TV World, while the characters in Persona 1/2 can apparently use their personas anytime, anywhere. (Not to mention how anyone can change personas in Persona 1/2, but only the protagonists in 3/4.) There are P1/P2 refs in P3 and I think P4. The difference in abilities can be written off to the different ways they get powers. Even the P3 and P4 casts talk about how their powers are different. P1 and P2 are unlikely to ever be very important again tho'.
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Feb 4, 2015 18:59
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Persona users in 1 and 2 got their powers direct from Philemon so every one of them are "wild cards" but Makoto and Yu are the only ones who had even the slightest contact with him through the Velvet Room.
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Feb 4, 2015 19:00
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Looks like so to me, especially regarding the whole demon situation. However, the Wild Card being restricted to the MC is a byproduct of Philemon being dormant, iirc.
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Feb 4, 2015 19:00
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Iceclaw posted:He did attempt to murder everyone else thrown in the TV World, though. Directly in the case of Mitsuo. He was fine with it, he didn't attempt to murder anyone except Mitsuo though.
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Feb 4, 2015 19:02
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They mention the Nanjo group a few times and in P3 they talk about previous Persona characters and what's going on with them if you watch the TV on their birthdays. I agree they'll probably never really matter again which is a shame since it would be cool to have a few references.
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Feb 4, 2015 19:02
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The P3 and P4 protag's powers weren't from the Velvet Room, they got to go to the Velvet Room because of their powers. Thanatos and Izanami caused that, as I recall.
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Feb 4, 2015 19:03
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Beef Waifu posted:He was fine with it, he didn't attempt to murder anyone except Mitsuo though. He knew about the investigation team by that point, right? E: Why did he stuff Mitsuo in the tv again? Because Mitsuo was trying to take the blame for the murders? TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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Feb 4, 2015 19:04
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TheKingofSprings posted:He knew about the investigation team by that point, right? I think he probably pieced it together after Yukiko got saved and certainly by the time of the Rise stakeout.
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He knew about pretty much everything for the whole game because he had been keeping tabs on Nametame by the point he kidnapped Yukiko and was more than likely watching them in the TV like everyone else. He threw Mitsuo in because he was annoyed that he was trying to replicate him. That or he did it for fun, which is his reason for pretty much everything. Captain Baal fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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Manatee Cannon posted:The P3 and P4 protag's powers weren't from the Velvet Room, they got to go to the Velvet Room because of their powers. Thanatos and Izanami caused that, as I recall. Izanami, for her part, is probably the same general kind of being as Philemon and Nyarlathotep, right? She's a manifestation of an aspect of humanity's collective unconscious, just like Philemon and Nyarlathotep, though she seems a lot less powerful. So it'd make sense that she could give the P4MC his Wild Card. I suppose it's possible that the protagonists from P3 and P4 could have used their personas outside of the Dark Hour/TV World, but it's probably a lot harder. After all, aren't Tartarus and the TV World aspects of the collective unconscious themselves, or at least shaped by it? It's probably a lot easier to use personality-based powers in a pocket world that's explicitly shaped by thoughts and beliefs.
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Beef Waifu posted:He was fine with it, he didn't attempt to murder anyone except Mitsuo though. Well, he just went and said to Namatame "Oh, hey you can save those people you think are going to die. By dumping them in this
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Beef Waifu posted:2. Chie pack it the gently caress up other waifuailures
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Iceclaw posted:Well, he just went and said to Namatame "Oh, hey you can save those people you think are going to die. By dumping them in this Yeah, he may not have tried to kill a lot of them himself, but he manipulated another psychologically fragile person into doing it for him. If I'm not mistaken, he also manipulated the situation for Nanako to be in danger, didn't he?
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GimmickMan posted:Do you guys want to know what Persona songs Japan really, really likes the most? Of course you do. Where the gently caress is the goddamn Junes theme?!  That's it, gently caress it, I'm out, I am done with shi- ... nevermind, all is forgiven.  Harrow posted:Izanami, for her part, is probably the same general kind of being as Philemon and Nyarlathotep, right? She's a manifestation of an aspect of humanity's collective unconscious, just like Philemon and Nyarlathotep, though she seems a lot less powerful. So it'd make sense that she could give the P4MC his Wild Card. Actually, she didn't give him the Wild Card; she just gave him the power to enter the TV World, and his initial Persona. The Wild Card was something he already had and she even mentions she hadn't anticipated that his ability to forge such strong bonds would allow him to help others awaken their own Personas.
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W.T. Fits posted:Where the gently caress is the goddamn Junes theme?! I was annoyed that Unbreakable Tie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAarVmqJwNw) from the PSP version of Innocent Sin wasn't on the list but then I realized it's probably only Persona 3/4 songs. W.T. Fits posted:Actually, she didn't give him the Wild Card; she just gave him the power to enter the TV World, and his initial Persona. The Wild Card was something he already had and she even mentions she hadn't anticipated that his ability to forge such strong bonds would allow him to help others awaken their own Personas. Oh yeah, good point. Her other "chosen ones" don't show any signs of having the Wild Card themselves. Good ol' Fool arcana.
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TheKingofSprings posted:E: Why did he stuff Mitsuo in the tv again? Because Mitsuo was trying to take the blame for the murders? Yeah, if the "murderer" was caught then Namatame would stop putting people in the TV world.
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so is the other female lead in dancing all night the other model that is alluded to in p4 while rise is on her break from working?
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Harrow posted:Yeah, he may not have tried to kill a lot of them himself, but he manipulated another psychologically fragile person into doing it for him. If I'm not mistaken, he also manipulated the situation for Nanako to be in danger, didn't he? I don't think so, anymore than encouraging Namatame in general. Nanako became popular because she was on TV talking to a politician which spurred Namatame into "saving" her. I guess he could have stopped it since he knew what Namatame was doing and it was pretty obvious Nanako was going to be the next target once she showed up on the Midnight Channel.
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hubris.height posted:so is the other female lead in dancing all night the other model that is alluded to in p4 while rise is on her break from working? Yes, she's Kanamin or whatever her name was.
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Radish posted:I don't think so, anymore than encouraging Namatame in general. Nanako became popular because she was on TV talking to a politician which spurred Namatame into "saving" her. I guess he could have stopped it since he knew what Namatame was doing and it was pretty obvious Nanako was going to be the next target once she showed up on the Midnight Channel. I could be mixing up the events of the game with the events of the anime, but I remember him sending the protagonist a threatening note that if they didn't stop rescuing people, the next victim would be someone close to him, and that was before Nanako showed up on the Midnight Channel. But I could easily be misremembering, or maybe it was just an empty threat on the killer's part and pure luck it worked out that way.
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Harrow posted:I could be mixing up the events of the game with the events of the anime, but I remember him sending the protagonist a threatening note that if they didn't stop rescuing people, the next victim would be someone close to him, and that was before Nanako showed up on the Midnight Channel. But I could easily be misremembering, or maybe it was just an empty threat on the killer's part and pure luck it worked out that way. Yeah the note was a thing but I don't really think it influenced much other than the story writers giving the heroes some actual evidence at the end for Adachi to mess with. His game required the heroes to keep saving people in order for Namatame to keep throwing people in TVs so I'm not sure what the goal of it really was since the first time one of the people thrown in died Namatame would stop.
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Y'all are thinking too hard about your anime dating sim.
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I think about Yosuke a lot ok??
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Quick let's argue about whether he was justified in his proposed actions in the hospital room.
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So Adachi is a accomplice to murder checked. He could've just stopped way back when he dropped the drama TV star in the TV in the beginning but instead just let the situation escalate into throwing random HS girls into TVs too. I know in P4:G you can have a SL with him but I honestly would rather not spend time with a sociopath when I can just eat a lot of Rainy Bowls on weekends 
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Alder posted:I know in P4:G you can have a SL with him but I honestly would rather not spend time with a sociopath when I can just eat a lot of Rainy Bowls on weekends You're horrid, Adachi owns, and is great.
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So, here's a new P5 tease - https://twitter.com/yushi46/status/563094951928807425/photo/1
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At first glance I thought that was FeMC, but I think it's just the protag. The coloring is kinda weird. Edit: Just saw the Phantom bit. Anyone know what the rest says? I wonder if P5's gonna have a vigilante theme.
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Axle_Stukov posted:So, here's a new P5 tease - Is that a corporeal antagonist I spy?
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Axle_Stukov posted:So, here's a new P5 tease - I expected Goatse, a little disappointed. For real though I'm not sure how I feel about the mask and I hope it doesn't end up like the glasses or the evoker In the other Persona games. It probably doesn't matter anyways because I'll inevitably get used to it but that's my initial thought. Edit: I still haven't been this excited about a game in years littleorv fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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Feb 4, 2015 23:48
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I was worried for a second that it was Sho.
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KingEffingFrost posted:Is that a corporeal antagonist I spy? i'm pretty sure that's the mc.
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asvodel posted:I was worried for a second that it was Sho. I'm pretty sure it is. E: or not. The hair is pretty different. Snowcow fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Feb 4, 2015 |
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littleorv posted:I expected Goatse, a little disappointed. For real though I'm not sure how I feel about the mask and I hope it doesn't end up like the glasses or the evoker In the other Persona games. It probably doesn't matter anyways because I'll inevitably get used to it but that's my initial thought.
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Someone post the image in the thread, the Twitter link isn't working on my phone tia
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haha, good image excels, I am also keeping a sharp eye on /v/ for all the latest news about persona 5! 
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