|
mr. why posted:Can't you argue that she did die by becoming a Faceless Man? She doesn't even get chapters called "Arya" anymore. They are named after the identities that she assumes. She didn't get rid of Needle, though. So "Arya" isn't dead, just shut away for a while.
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 01:00
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 03:50 |
|
|
mr. why posted:Can't you argue that she did die by becoming a Faceless Man? She doesn't even get chapters called "Arya" anymore. They are named after the identities that she assumes. She's not even really becoming a Faceless Man though, she's doing practically none of the training the way she's supposed to be doing. Kills Night's Watch for Arya reasons, keeps needle, uses her warg powers during training instead of the way FM are supposed to, etc.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 01:03
|
|
|
I don't know if it's because I often skim Arya's chapters, but I had no idea she was warging.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 01:07
|
|
|
When the Kindly Man is testing her during combat practice he blindfolds her and tells her to use FM training bullshit and instead she just wargs into the cat's sitting on the rafters to see what he's doing.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 01:11
|
|
|
Yeah I gathered that after I finished the book and read about it online, just didn't pick up on it at the time. In other news, I told my show-only-no-internet-spoilers girlfriend about the letter, including the Tyrion/Arya/Jon triangle and she asked what the hell was wrong with GRRM. She doesn't have a clue about R+L=J 
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 01:15
|
|
|
Professor Shark posted:I always envisioned Dany coming to Westeros in tattered clothes, giggling to herself, biting her own fingers in her madness along with her massive dragons. I never thought of her as having a proper invasion with an army, assumed that everything that could go wrong for her would, and it would just her alone and seeking revenge on a continent of faceless matchstick people. Have you read Dany's chapters? If anything it sometimes seems like GRRM writes it in such a way to ensure everything doesn't go wrong, so even her mistakes take her to greater heights, in the opposite way with the Starks he often writes it so those characters get the worst possible outcome from every action they take.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 01:23
|
|
|
I'm just saying that I think that it would be awesome for her to go full tilt crazy and mumble "Fire and Blood" as she murders humans and Others en masse GRRM probably isn't going to do it
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 01:34
|
|
|
Eh, it's possible, the big lesson Daenerys seems to be learning is "might makes right", which isn't necessarily the makings of a good and just ruler.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 01:48
|
|
|
More casting news. Mostly extra talk, although there's a new wildling leader named Loboda who looks rather Thenn-ish and was seen in the trailer. Also 100% confirmed is the return of Kevan Lannister, who somehow, some way, did not get recast
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 02:08
|
|
|
To me this lends some credence to the Jon/Sansa theory. Now that I think about it, she even has red hair. Is Sophie Turner taller than Kit Harrington?
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 03:08
|
|
|
Mortabis posted:To me this lends some credence to the Jon/Sansa theory. Now that I think about it, she even has red hair. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 03:17
|
|
|
I'm pretty sure dinklage is taller than harrington
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 03:24
|
|
|
He's actually shorter than that. Someone photoshopped the picture to make him look taller. RCarr fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Feb 5, 2015 |
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 03:25
|
|
|
5'8 for him and 5'9 for her.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 03:26
|
|
|
RCarr posted:He's actually shorter than that. Someone photoshopped the picture to make him look taller. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 04:03
|
|
|
Mortabis posted:To me this lends some credence to the Jon/Sansa theory. Now that I think about it, she even has red hair. What's the Jon/Sansa theory? Do I really want to know? 
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 04:12
|
|
|
RCarr posted:He's actually shorter than that. Someone photoshopped the picture to make him look taller. GoGoGadgetChris posted:5'8 for him and 5'9 for her. You guys realize that the reason she looks so much taller is because she's wearing heels, right?
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 04:25
|
|
|
Aw, he sits so daintily.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 04:27
|
|
|
webmeister posted:What's the Jon/Sansa theory? Do I really want to know? It's not that bad. The origin is that in the first Dunk & Egg story, the champions for Lord Ashford's daughter are in order: Lyonel Baratheon, Leo Tyrell, Tybolt Lannister, Humphrey Hardyng, and Valarr Targaryen. So far Sansa has had four suitors, in order: Joffrey Baratheon, Willas Tyrell, Tyrion Lannister, and Harold Hardyng. The question is, who's the Targaryen? Some people think it's Aegon. Some people think it's Jon, assuming R+L=J (which just about everyone does). They're first cousins; it's not that gross, especially when you compare it to the rest of the theories floating around. Mortabis fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Feb 5, 2015 |
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 04:41
|
|
|
Kit is shorter than me, and I barely make it to 5'8". He's super ripped through. I'm not going to post the picture of the two of us, but yea, he's short as hell. But here's a picture of a friend of mine at GRRM at the X-Sanguine Comic Con Afterparty around 2008 or so http://i.imgur.com/xzoapdr.jpg According to her, all the hot women wanted to sit on his lap, like some creepy Santa.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 05:07
|
|
|
I love that Dany originally gets revenge for Viserys instead of sitting back and watching Drogo kill him.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 06:19
|
|
|
I can't wait until its revealed that Mira Forrester is the Ghost of Winterfell, shanking all the freys & boltons at Ramsay's wedding. Shes a boss in the Telltale games series 
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 06:35
|
|
|
Ague Proof posted:It's never mentioned that Tyrion is a dwarf. I wonder when he got the idea to make him one? It looks to me like he originally had the idea to simply have the Lannisters as the ruling house and the starks as their former closest allies who together deposed the Targs rather than having such a sprawling number of houses. Why he changed it I dunno. Seems like he kept writing more and more people, places and poo poo in as he went along. I'm guessing his original plan was to have Joff, Jaime and Tyrion be three brothers, Tyrion being the youngest and smarter than Jaime but not quite as bad rear end and realised it's probably not a great idea to have so many young smart dudes who're good at war stuff and better off having a character with a disability but still be bad rear end. Midnight City posted:When the Kindly Man is testing her during combat practice he blindfolds her and tells her to use FM training bullshit and instead she just wargs into the cat's sitting on the rafters to see what he's doing. He blinds her with some draught and she drinks it every day to teach her to listen and to smell more acutely. She gets the poo poo kicked out of her one night by a guy holding a stick but doesn't know who it is. She wargs into a cat sometime later and sees the kindly man holding a stick and she cracks him with one revealing that she knows it's him who's been whupping her as her third "tell me three things you know today you didn't yesterday". She's actually doing most of the training they teach her to do, it's the only time she cheats, the rest of the time she goes along pretty much as ordered other than keeping needle. Mortabis posted:It's not that bad. The origin is that in the first Dunk & Egg story, the champions for Lord Ashford's daughter are in order: Lyonel Baratheon, Leo Tyrell, Tybolt Lannister, Humphrey Hardyng, and Valarr Targaryen. So far Sansa has had four suitors, in order: Joffrey Baratheon, Willas Tyrell, Tyrion Lannister, and Harold Hardyng. The question is, who's the Targaryen? Tywin married his cousin Joanna. Targs were always marrying one another too, and for that matter having retard dragon frog babies that die.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 06:44
|
|
|
Mortabis posted:It's not that bad. The origin is that in the first Dunk & Egg story, the champions for Lord Ashford's daughter are in order: Lyonel Baratheon, Leo Tyrell, Tybolt Lannister, Humphrey Hardyng, and Valarr Targaryen. So far Sansa has had four suitors, in order: Joffrey Baratheon, Willas Tyrell, Tyrion Lannister, and Harold Hardyng. The question is, who's the Targaryen? Oh right, that one. I'm not a huge fan of it to be honest, I think it's one of those ones where people see patterns where they want to see them - and at this point, there's an almost infinite number of those.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 07:21
|
|
|
BlindSite posted:Seems like he kept writing more and more people, places and poo poo in as he went along. It's genuinely amazing that the series is so cohesive and has such solid continuity with this in mind. It probably contributes hugely to the time it takes to write though. Every time he comes up with a new character, factoid or location he has to look it up to make sure it doesn't contradict anything else.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 07:55
|
|
|
Steve2911 posted:It's genuinely amazing that the series is so cohesive and has such solid continuity with this in mind. You mean, like that time a horse changed sex in between books and a bunch of nerds cried foul over it?
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 08:09
|
|
|
Midnight City posted:When the Kindly Man is testing her during combat practice he blindfolds her and tells her to use FM training bullshit and instead she just wargs into the cat's sitting on the rafters to see what he's doing. She mostly does use her Faceless Man training, but she keeps getting attacked by the Kindly Man who is better at Faceless Man stuff than she is so she uses the cat to figure out who is attacking her.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 11:10
|
|
|
Dalael posted:You mean, like that time a horse changed sex in between books and a bunch of nerds cried fowl over it? Are you sure it wasn't a duck that changed sex? Don't forget there was a fully fleshed-out long-running fan theory that Jeyne Poole was pregnant with Robb's child (or an imposter or some poo poo idk), simply because he mixed up minor details of her appearance between ASOS and ADWD!
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 11:17
|
|
|
webmeister posted:Don't forget there was a fully fleshed-out long-running fan theory that Jeyne Poole was pregnant with Robb's child (or an imposter or some poo poo idk), simply because he mixed up minor details of her appearance between ASOS and ADWD! I'm pretty forgiving about this one, since the details were actually pretty drastic.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 11:28
|
|
|
webmeister posted:Are you sure it wasn't a duck that changed sex? GRRM said it himself on an interview. I don't remember which interview, but he was talking about some of the things that bugs him about his fans. And apparently, there's a stalion in a book, which is referred to as a mare in the book that comes after. (Or the other way around). I am not sure, but I believe its the Hound's horse...
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 11:30
|
|
|
What if the Hound's horse is a warg
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 11:50
|
|
|
Blind Melon posted:She mostly does use her Faceless Man training, but she keeps getting attacked by the Kindly Man who is better at Faceless Man stuff than she is so she uses the cat to figure out who is attacking her. I can't recall if the Kindly Man specifically calls her out on it, but to me warging would be right up the alley of an elite group of assassins.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 13:41
|
|
|
BlindSite posted:I'm guessing his original plan was to have Joff, Jaime and Tyrion be three brothers, Tyrion being the youngest and smarter than Jaime but not quite as bad rear end and realised it's probably not a great idea to have so many young smart dudes who're good at war stuff and better off having a character with a disability but still be bad rear end. So he turned the Lannisters into the Baratheons, more or less. I mean I guess Stannis is the smart one there.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 14:18
|
|
|
He refers to Joffrey as Joffrey Baratheon in the pitch thing, as well as mentioning Robert dying, though, so the Baratheons weren't totally absent.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 14:27
|
|
|
lifts cats over head posted:I can't recall if the Kindly Man specifically calls her out on it, but to me warging would be right up the alley of an elite group of assassins. He asks her for three things she learned, she gives him two with her third being that she knows it is him attacking her. He asks how she knows, and she says she has already given him his three.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 14:54
|
|
|
BlindSite posted:It looks to me like he originally had the idea to simply have the Lannisters as the ruling house and the starks as their former closest allies who together deposed the Targs rather than having such a sprawling number of houses. Why he changed it I dunno. That also explains the problems with getting to the ending, heh. Because he'd probably really, really love to frustrate his planned ending again. And this time, he really... can't.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 15:32
|
|
|
itshappening.jpg Reddit is on the case.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 16:57
|
|
|
Why are you weirdos focusing only on the third point of me saying she's not following FM training? There was even an etc at the end of it. There's other poo poo like her still killing Raff after being blinded as punishment. Arya isn't conforming to FM training, this isn't even debatable.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 17:09
|
|
|
In It For The Tank posted:itshappening.jpg 
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 17:13
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 03:50 |
|
|
Midnight City posted:Why are you weirdos focusing only on the third point of me saying she's not following FM training? There was even an etc at the end of it. There's other poo poo like her still killing Raff after being blinded as punishment. In some ways, it's difficult to tell what they actually expect of her vs. what they are telling her they expect with her training. I always took the blinding as something that was going to happen no matter what, they just moved that part of the training up once she killed that night's watch guy. She is actively defying a lot of what they tell her though, and that will probably come to a head when they need her to seriously listen to them.
|
|
#
?
Feb 5, 2015 17:20
|
|
