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ChiTownEddie posted:If I am looking for a mirrorless camera, for having on me as much as possible (small size is ++), and I know that if I got a normal mirrorless I'd just toss a prime on there...I should just get a x100 series camera, right? Used x100s? I would describe my photography interest as "General walking around". powderific posted:I have a GR myself and picked it after renting both it, the LX100, and the X100s—it's just super nice having a walk around camera that's P&S sized but has a great sensor/lens. I think that last one is the best idea. Rent several and see what you like best. I have an X100 as well and I love it to death, but it's not for everyone. Some people want to like, zoom, occasionally, for instance.
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toadee posted:I think that last one is the best idea. Rent several and see what you like best. I have an X100 as well and I love it to death, but it's not for everyone. Some people want to like, zoom, occasionally, for instance. Renting is a good call. Grab two of em for a weekend and see how it works out. Thanks guys.
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Wild EEPROM posted:Keh is probably the best place. The prices are similar to ebay, but keh's bgn grade is what most people would consider "good" Keh definitely seems good for used, but looking at new cameras it seems only Ebay has them below list price.
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ChiTownEddie posted:Renting is a good call. Grab two of em for a weekend and see how it works out. Thanks guys. Don't rule out the X-E2 and 27mm f/2.8 if you would prefer a narrower field of view and might want other lenses some day.
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Lhet posted:Keh definitely seems good for used, but looking at new cameras it seems only Ebay has them below list price. Don't forget that there's a ton of grey market stuff out there, which basically means no warranty (canon) or that they won't touch it even if you throw money at them (nikon). Or refurbished, so a 30 or 90 day warranty.
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Wild EEPROM posted:Don't forget that there's a ton of grey market stuff out there, which basically means no warranty (canon) or that they won't touch it even if you throw money at them (nikon). Or refurbished, so a 30 or 90 day warranty.
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Lhet posted:Keh definitely seems good for used, but looking at new cameras it seems only Ebay has them below list price. Never buy new unless you absolutely have to have a valid warranty and don't mind spending extra, and never buy any "new" camera on eBay that seems cheaper than other new ones.
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Feb 7, 2015 00:31
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Lhet posted:That's true, but there are also situations where a camera can't be advertised below list, but they can somehow get away with listing it on ebay. This seems to be that case (though I could be completely wrong). Doesn't look like it. New in box doesn't mean it's from the right region for warranty, and also some manufacturers only warranty the original owner. Plus, the seller doesn't specifically say it's not grey market and that it has a manufacturer's warranty, so knowing ebay, it's grey market without a manufacturer warranty. Having the papers doesn't mean it has the warranty.
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Elliotw2 posted:Never buy new unless you absolutely have to have a valid warranty and don't mind spending extra, and never buy any "new" camera on eBay that seems cheaper than other new ones. Once you buy 3-4 new cameras, and then buy your first used camera, it's like a light bulb turning on "huh, why didn't I buy those other ones used?"
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Went to the local camera store and got to handle the Panasonic LX100, Sony RX100 III, Sony A600, and Olympus E-P7. Both Sonys had some significant interface annoyances: there's a noticable delay after rotating the shutter speed dial before the interface reflects the change, and trying to adjust shutter speed too quickly after taking a photo will take you into review mode. I figure if I found those instantly there are probably multiple other annoyances going on, so gonna cross those off. The LX100 was fantastic in pretty much every way; though it is still a touch more than I was looking to spend for a backpack camera. The E-P7 wasn't bad. A little awkward to adjust the aperture, and the kit lens is too big, but it seems to do everything I'm asking for. As far as used, I'm certainly open to the idea, but both of those seem too new to really be floating around for sale.
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Feb 7, 2015 01:44
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There are loads of cameras for sale that are just a tad older but significantly cheaper. RX100 mk I or II, older micro 4/3 cameras, Sony NEX 3/5/6/7, etc.
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Wild EEPROM posted:There are loads of cameras for sale that are just a tad older but significantly cheaper. I don't like Sony's interfaces from the ones I've held. I might consider an Olympus E-M5 though, anybody know how it stands up to the E-PL7?
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Feb 7, 2015 01:58
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Lhet posted:I don't like Sony's interfaces from the ones I've held. I might consider an Olympus E-M5 though, anybody know how it stands up to the E-PL7? If I am going m43, I would pick an used EM5. LX100 is kind of too thick.
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I'm seeing an E-M5 body (w/ 2 batteries) on Craigslist for $400; so might check it out. Is that a solid price?
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If you do end up going with m4/3, see if you can find a good deal on the Panny 20mm f1.7 lens. Doesn't have to be the mk2, the original is still great. For compactness it's the way to go.
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Feb 7, 2015 02:42
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Lhet posted:I'm seeing an E-M5 body (w/ 2 batteries) on Craigslist for $400; so might check it out. Is that a solid price? $400 lines up pretty well with used prices on amazon (~440 shipped to get one through keh or adorama). If you check it out you can see how used it really is by checking the shutter count, it's hitting away in a test menu. Basically punch the konami code in to get to it. http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/42546968
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Feb 7, 2015 02:54
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Mr. Despair posted:$400 lines up pretty well with used prices on amazon (~440 shipped to get one through keh or adorama). If you check it out you can see how used it really is by checking the shutter count, it's hitting away in a test menu. Basically punch the konami code in to get to it. Does shutter count matter on a mirrorless? I thought it was relevant on SLR because of the mechanical prism mechanism, but that mirrorless shutters were engineered to be a sort of "life of the camera" sort of thing.
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Linedance posted:Does shutter count matter on a mirrorless? I thought it was relevant on SLR because of the mechanical prism mechanism, but that mirrorless shutters were engineered to be a sort of "life of the camera" sort of thing. nah, shutters can still fail (and the shutter tends to actuate MORE on a mirrorless, since it has to move several times for each picture due to the live view stuff). On my e-m5 for example I've taken ~17826 pictures (at least I've pressed the shutter that many times), but the shutter has actuated 31523 times. Think it's rated for ~100,000 actuations, but I can't find anything official on that. Mostly it's a way to see if the camera's been used hard or if it's been babied and sat in a closet the whole time.
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Fujfilm is coming out with the only lens a Fuji X shooter needs: http://petapixel.com/2015/02/06/fujis-new-xm-fl-x-mount-body-cap-lens-built-photo-filters/
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RustedChrome posted:Fujfilm is coming out with the only lens a Fuji X shooter needs: If it's $100, I'll take one just because.
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Feb 7, 2015 09:08
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Mr. Despair posted:It's apparently trash if there's any movement at all in the scene, but seems to work as advertised if you have a perfectly still scene. http://robinwong.blogspot.it/2015/02/olympus-om-d-e-m5-mark-ii-review.html has some good examples at the end. Will sony implement this? 100mp+ within a year for landscapes? Best part is the lens doesnt need to resolve anywhere near 100mp. Very interesting stuff.
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Been playing around with my X100S for a couple weeks now, mostly using the in camera raw editor to make changes. But now I'd like to try more advanced editing. Is it better to go for the Capture One subscription, or is the Lightroom/Photoshop subscription the better deal? No prior experience with either.
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JSW2 posted:Been playing around with my X100S for a couple weeks now, mostly using the in camera raw editor to make changes. But now I'd like to try more advanced editing. Is it better to go for the Capture One subscription, or is the Lightroom/Photoshop subscription the better deal? No prior experience with either. In my opinion, I don't believe subscription based software is worth it unless you are a power user and processing a lot of photos every month for ever, and regularly upgrade your workstation and require regular software version updates to keep current. You'd be better served with Lightroom 5 and/or PS elements/last version of non-subscripiton PS, or some other non-subscripiton editing software if you don't fall into the above category.
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On the other end of the opinion spectrum, I think that subscription based software (especially in the case of Adobe's Photography bundle) is worth it. I used to be anti-CC until the photographer's bundle came out, and now I've grown to appreciate the deal Adobe threw out there. It'd be cool to see them create other CC bundles, too. Look at it this way: You get access to Photoshop and Lightroom for ten bucks a month. Considering that access to Photoshop used to cost way more than that, paying $120 a year / $10 a month for both pieces of software is a deal to me. Though if you still want Lightroom free of the subscription bind, you can still buy it as a separate, non-subscription purchase. You always get the latest and greatest. Why would you not want the latest and greatest PS / LR available? Again, it is only ten bucks a month. Also, Lightroom Mobile is pretty neat. If you're strapped for cash, think of it as just giving up two coffees / a fast food meal a month. Lower up front cost, you can budget for this monthly if needed. Also consider this: a lot of folks already have subscriptions to Netflix and other services. Why feel weird about a subscription to tools you find useful for your profession / hobby? I just think that CC makes so much sense, and I find it kind of strange that people are still hesitant about it. On the other hand, I understand that owning software is a practical thing to some people. Edit: Also, from this page (https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/faq.html): quote:Do Creative Cloud members have access to previous versions of Creative Cloud apps? Though it is unsaid if you can use it without having to have your own license or if it'll just work with your creative cloud subscription. I'm trying it out right now by installing the archived CS 6. Sharizard fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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JSW2 posted:Been playing around with my X100S for a couple weeks now, mostly using the in camera raw editor to make changes. But now I'd like to try more advanced editing. Is it better to go for the Capture One subscription, or is the Lightroom/Photoshop subscription the better deal? No prior experience with either. At least with lightroom you can download it and use it for 30 days before paying, so you can see if you like it. Not sure if Capture One has the same sort of demo, but hopefully it does so you can try both.
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Sharizard posted:On the other end of the opinion spectrum, I think that subscription based software (especially in the case of Adobe's Photography bundle) is worth it. I used to be anti-CC until the photographer's bundle came out, and now I've grown to appreciate the deal Adobe threw out there. It'd be cool to see them create other CC bundles, too. Those are all valid points, and if it's a serious hobby or professional interest, I wouldn't question it. The issues I have with the model is it isn't flexible. A pay-as-you-go option would go a long way toward making it more appealing, as well as making it easier to license on more devices. Leasing a car makes sense for a lot of people too, but I still prefer to buy used for cash and save money.  E- reading their FAQ, it seems they've done a lot more to allay some of the concerns I had since the last time I looked into it. I get what you're saying with Netflix, etc., but with those I can stop paying whenever I like, and start up again whenever I like. CC only sells a yearly subscription (paid monthly or in advance). Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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Capture one has a thing where you can get the previous version (8) for absolutely free. Lightroom has a free trial. I suggest using both and seeing which you like. If you plan on sticking with this for a long time and you like Lightroom, it may be worth it to buy it outright (iirc it is $150, or $10/month if you get the creative cloud bunduru)
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Linedance posted:I get what you're saying with Netflix, etc., but with those I can stop paying whenever I like, and start up again whenever I like. CC only sells a yearly subscription (paid monthly or in advance). You're right about it being not very flexible. Can't argue with that. Hopefully one day they'll be a bit more consumer friendly when it comes to payments.
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Buy an old copy of photoshop on ebay. Photoshop is not designed for casual use. IMO if you can't commit to memorize the most common command keyboard shortcuts, you might as well use a simpler software.
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You can download a copy of CS2 from Adobe. It's a "promise you'll only use it if you have a valid licence" version. People being the honest creatures they all, nobody without a licence would ever download it...
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If you only want Lightroom, CC is not a great deal. Major LR versions come or infrequently enough that you end up paying significantly more for CC than buying new stand alone versions whenever they are released. Especially if you buy into LR when it is on sale. I'm at the point where I would have paid over twice as much for LR5 if I had gone CC rather than standalone.
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Splinter posted:If you only want Lightroom, CC is not a great deal. Major LR versions come or infrequently enough that you end up paying significantly more for CC than buying new stand alone versions whenever they are released. Especially if you buy into LR when it is on sale. I'm at the point where I would have paid over twice as much for LR5 if I had gone CC rather than standalone. Yeah, echoing this, I've had Lightroom since version 1 and I'm thrilled I didn't jump on CC. Not to mention the fact that you have to assume Adobe has this number in mind where they're like "once this many people sign up for CC then we can up the subscription from $10/month to $15/month or $20/month. That's how they're sure to operate, they're a publicly traded company that is beholden to their shareholders requests, the easiest way to make more money once they have people committed to CC is just to up the subscription rate. I don't feel like buying into that model until there is absolutely no other choice.
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$10 a month probably isn't a terrible fee for a good product, but I'm never signing up for a subscription service. I hate the idea of having to owe someone every month. I'm probably odd man out but whatever...
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Ropes4u posted:$10 a month probably isn't a terrible fee for a good product, but I'm never signing up for a subscription service. I hate the idea of having to owe someone every month. I'm probably odd man out but whatever... When they had a year subscription card on sale back in December I bought it. $100 or so for a year and you can photoshop plus lightroom and lightroom mobile access. Seemed worth trying out.
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This is basically cable company bundle scheme. They will alway put the only software you actually need in the next tier. Next thing you know you will be buying Adobe triple play with Photoshop, Dreamweaver, inDesign, After Effect and Adobe Acrobat, Adobe Panorama Master, Adobe Color Correct Ninja, Adobe My Camera lens Inventory Manager for 19.99 a month. Oh did I mention you get three month of Cinemax for free?!
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I would have to add that if I were a professional it might not be a bad plan. But I take family : hobby photos so ...
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There are also loads of deals where you can buy a lovely printer bundled with lightroom for the price of lightroom itself (or sometimes even lower), and then you unload the printer onto a poor hapless fool.
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whatever7 posted:This is basically cable company bundle scheme. They will alway put the only software you actually need in the next tier. Next thing you know you will be buying Adobe triple play with Photoshop, Dreamweaver, inDesign, After Effect and Adobe Acrobat, Adobe Panorama Master, Adobe Color Correct Ninja, Adobe My Camera lens Inventory Manager for 19.99 a month. Oh did I mention you get three month of Cinemax for free?! $39.99 for the first 3 months! monthly fee increases to $69.99 after three month period 24 month minimum contract cancellations will be billed for all months remaining in contract at full price
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