Buh posted:Wanna provide an article that spells out why this is so obvious? It's not. There's one guy who is a million years old who remembers his dad and uncle talking about "something" 10,000 years ago at Coney Island. Something, something, Patty Doyle. Something, something, Dr. Condon. Therefore, not Hauptmann. I certainly have some of the details wrong, but that's the gist of the "uncle did it" argument.
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plane fuel doesn't melt baby lindbergh.
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 00:01 |
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There is a documentary on Netflix called Nova: Who Killed Lindbergh's Baby. It seems pretty obvious who did it.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:People do realize that the Lindberg baby was killed by his uncle, right? Because drat there are a lot of people who seem to think it's still some grand unsolved mystery from the past. I was just trying to rattle famous cases off the top of my head, I wasn't trying to say it was unsolved. They know who shot JFK too but that doesn't stop people from confessing to it apparently.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:People do realize that the Lindberg baby was killed by his uncle, right? Because drat there are a lot of people who seem to think it's still some grand unsolved mystery from the past. Only idiots and crazy people think this. Eta: although the idiots and crazy people usually blame the aunt (Elizabeth Morrow). I've never heard anyone blaming Dwight Morrow, Jr. before, but I see there's a 2010 book advancing this odd claim. Hauptmann got a lovely trial, but that doesn't mean he was innocent. Examinations of the evidence done recently suggest the verdict was correct, despite the sloppy conduct of the case. AlbieQuirky has a new favorite as of 00:39 on Feb 9, 2015 |
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Yeah, "the uncle did it" is some full stuff. There's a massive mountain of evidence that supports the claim that it was Hauptmann. I read a book about it a while ago, The Ghosts of Hopewell, that outlines everything that led to his conviction, and how it would still easily hold up today. The only way he could become more guilty is if they found him in the house, covered in blood, screaming "I KILLED THAT BABY". Gyro Zeppeli has a new favorite as of 00:40 on Feb 9, 2015 |
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Now that I look back on it, I don't think the animals they ate were alive (at least not all of them), but rather were just freshly killed. And as far as social conditioning is concerned, Charles Domery in particular appears to have expressed regret about killing and eating a cat, and indicated that he was empathetic to a significant degree toward their plight and suffering. Don't know how much that can be said for Tarrare, but at the very least, it seems like both men had some form of functioning moral conscience. tarrare also constantly had diarrhoea. if you eat too much of something, especially like fat or oil, your body will just poo poo it out without fully digesting it
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Mak0rz posted:I hate to sound here but I can't help but think it's a textbook case of being able to literally get away with murder if you're white/rich enough. Not really, unless they hired a third party to deposit his DNA in the child's underwear. As for the body, it was in some room in the basement (so the basement wasn't just one big space) and apparently the layout of the main house was weird anyway, so sound didn't carry well. Hauptmann was guilty, but he likely didn't act alone. So some people probably did got off scot free on that one.
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effervescible posted:Hauptmann was guilty, but he likely didn't act alone. So some people probably did got off scot free on that one. But the other people were almost certainly fellow down-on-their-luck German expatriates, like the guy Hauptmann originally said had given him the money. Not Elizabeth or Dwight Morrow.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Uh, the Lindbergh baby was almost certainly killed by Richard Hauptman. I don't know what's real anymore. Anyway, my point was that the case has been pretty much solved but a lot of people act like it hasn't been. I. M. Gei has a new favorite as of 04:55 on Feb 9, 2015 |
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stickyfngrdboy posted:There is a documentary on Netflix called Nova: Who Killed Lindbergh's Baby. It seems pretty obvious who did it. Wait, so Nova finally confessed?
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AlbieQuirky posted:But the other people were almost certainly fellow down-on-their-luck German expatriates, like the guy Hauptmann originally said had given him the money. Not Elizabeth or Dwight Morrow. Oh, definitely. That other stuff is just tinhat conspiracy theorizing.
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I thought it was generally understood that Jon Benet's parents killed her? Kind of like how everyone knows OJ killed those white folks so while he's technically/legally not guilty, he definitely did it. Maddy McCann is a bit different - I think it was just gross negligence on the part of her parents that allowed her to kidnapped. She's certainly dead now though but I don't think her parents are guilty of anything except extremely poor judgement and child negligence.
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HonorableTB posted:I thought it was generally understood that Jon Benet's parents killed her? Kind of like how everyone knows OJ killed those white folks so while he's technically/legally not guilty, he definitely did it. Maddy McCann is a bit different - I think it was just gross negligence on the part of her parents that allowed her to kidnapped. She's certainly dead now though but I don't think her parents are guilty of anything except extremely poor judgement and child negligence. No people kind of jumped to the conclusion during the media craze because of the old "it's always the parents" thing, but there really wasn't a whole lot of proof to support that. Most people who actually investigate the case seem to conclude the evidence points to an intruder.
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Kimmalah posted:No people kind of jumped to the conclusion during the media craze because of the old "it's always the parents" thing, but there really wasn't a whole lot of proof to support that. Most people who actually investigate the case seem to conclude the evidence points to an intruder. Yea I believe it took a while for it to be released to the public that DNA not matching the Ramsay's had been found on her underwear. The fact that the body was in the house the whole time is a big one that convinces people it was the Ramsay's but it was big loving house and there were rooms or something off to the side of the basement that nobody ever really spent any time in. That's on the police for not checking every nook and cranny, but sadly poo poo like that does happen.
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HonorableTB posted:Maddy McCann is a bit different - I think it was just gross negligence on the part of her parents that allowed her to kidnapped. She's certainly dead now though but I don't think her parents are guilty of anything except extremely poor judgement and child negligence. gently caress me. I went and read the article on this and it ticks all the boxes of parental horror for me. It's not helping that while I was reading that, some friends with kids around my daughter's age and I are planning a group camping trip this summer. Edit: link.
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Also, I remember people were unnerved by how the parents acted afterwards. A bit too much smiling and waving at the cameras? I think the same effect happened with Amanda Knox, whose behavior didn't seem quite right to the Italian cops after she was informed her roommate was murdered. Probably because she was rolling on Ecstasy. In that case, they more or less convicted her on a hunch.
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Jesus Christ what the hell were the parents thinking? I had no idea what happened exactly until I read that Wikipedia page. So apparently the Mcanns just left her in an unlocked room while they went down the block to eat dinner like it was no big deal? My parents took me on plenty of trips as a kid, they'd never have let me out of their sight, and I definitely wouldn't have been left to my own devices in an unlocked hotel room. I can certainly see how it made them look suspicious, that's not just everyday negligence.
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 20:34 |
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The Portugese police made the common assumption that DNA evidence is completely infallible; despite the fact that British police said the DNA of Madeline found in the boot of the family car was too meaningless to be relevant, the Portugese pushed it anyway and suspected the parents. Add to that the firestorm thrown up by the British media who, in their drive to keep selling papers by whipping everyone into a hatred-of-everyone-who-isnt-you frenzy, sometimes have to attack white middle class doctors as well as chavs and Romanians. And otherwise smart people who feel they don't fall for that sort of thing fell for it hook line and sinker anyway, with indignant comments about child negligence for the 'crime' of leaving your children in a hotel room. It basically amounts to "I wouldn't do that, so I'm better than a chav/Romanian" and sometimes people want to be be made to feel that they're better than people above them on the social and economical ladders. Like white doctors. Add Twitter to that (a year old at the time) and suddenly everyone can comment, not just to each other down the pub but to each other online and even the parents and journalists and the police. The Portugese media blame the parents as well, but guess what - they have to sell papers too and that means blaming the English tourists, not their own police force. The worst thing the parents are guilty of is bad luck and being between the time periods when leaving your kids in a hotel room was perfectly normal and when Twitter and the Daily Mail give us live updates on where the paedophiles are. The people who actually took the time to contact the police and make a complaint about child negligence against the McCanns summed up the whole thing and our movement into a time when people sit behind a screen accusing strangers they'll never meet of breaking the law. All the evidence points towards an intruder who was presumably going to carry out a crime like this no matter what, with the glamour of the possibility of an international sex ring being involved. But that would jut involve boring old police work and we can't shout on twitter about that and read articles of Kate McCanns sex life so se can see if we're better at sex than her, as well as child rearing.
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I'm pretty laid back when it comes to stuff like that and I still can't imagine anyone with half a brain thinking it's a good idea to leave a 3 year old alone anywhere really.
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Yeah, the thing about them leaving her in the room was that everyone did it. Like leaving kids outside shops in their prams and buggies, that was a lot more commonplace until disaster struck. I know even my parents did it when I was a kid and we went on holiday to Spain.
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I don't think it has ever been safe or normal to do that.
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I have worked in hotels for ten years and my current one still offers a "baby listening service" where we phone the room, the parents pick up the phone and leave it off the hook and a receptionist keeps the phone off the hook next to them so they can hear crying. The parents go and hang out in the bar or whatever. It works just as effectively as you'd imagine, although admittedly I can't recall it being used for years. But ten years ago? Far, far more common, as was the "service" of guests paying us £20 for babysitting services, of which about £3 would actually go to the unqualified 15 year old babysitter the parents would never meet. This is in the UK. None of this is illegal. Edit: not to say I think this is RIGHT, though. I don't and I think I'd refuse to let anyone use the listening service on safety grounds. And we don't offer a babysitting service. No tapas bar either duckmaster has a new favorite as of 21:06 on Feb 9, 2015 |
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When I grew up it would have probably been more that my parents didn't trust me to sit patiently in an unlocked room and wait for them, not any fear of strangers or sexual predators. I'd have opened the door and gone out to explore at least a little bit. Leaving a sleeping kid alone is worse, what if they wake up and don't know where you went? They're guaranteed to leave the room and wander around in that case. There's just too many bad things that can happen, even in the late 80's my parents never would have done that.
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Kimmalah posted:I'm pretty laid back when it comes to stuff like that and I still can't imagine anyone with half a brain thinking it's a good idea to leave a 3 year old alone anywhere really. I get that not everyone is super helicopter-like when it comes to parenting. The closest I've gotten to this was leaving my 3yo daughter alone sleeping in the house, while I deep cleaned my car in the driveway, with a 10 minute repeating timer set so I could go in and check on her at regular intervals. Even then, I was nervous as hell mostly because what if she woke up and couldn't find me, less someone abducting her. I wouldn't consider leaving her in an apartment across the pool from where I'm dining, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility that someone else might think it's fine.
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PresidentBeard posted:I don't think it has ever been safe or normal to do that. It has, and it still happens. There are those who still leave their kids unattended in hotel rooms, and in almost all cases nothing bad happens. People in general never used to be so terrified of stuff, but maybe more bad stuff is happening, I don't know. Doubt it, though. Over here lots of folk hated Madeleine McCann's mum because she came across as cold in interviews. She did seem distant, I think, but hardly surprising considering the circumstances. I don't think for one second she deserved any of the vitriol she received. There was a BBC Panorama (I think) which had the theme music from Twin Peaks over footage of Madeleine's dad walking about the resort. I have no idea if that was intentional but it was pretty funny.
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It was much more common in the past than it is now. I did a ton of world traveling when I was under ten and I remember doing stuff like walking to go get a pizza at Pizza Hut or going to the pool in Manila which at the time was a place where you were rocked to sleep by the calming sounds of automatic weapons fire every night. And it wasn't just me, I would do this with friends and other kids I'd met and it was considered totally normal. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing now, it's just I don't think without stuff like cell phones and social media putting us in tune with everything going on we ever thought about how much bad poo poo could happen. We used to skitch to the 7-11 on the back of random teenagers cars when I was 6-11 too, and I fI had kids I would flip out if I ever saw them do that.
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I worked hotel/casino security and unattended minor calls are depressingly frequent. I could understand if the child was capable of using a phone and making a snack on their own, but we constantly had parents leaving 7 and under kids alone in hotel rooms and even arcades, which are typically not restricted access like the hotel towers. The infuriating part is when we would do a welfare check later and find the parents ditched the kid a second time, and decided to call the police. We would even generally recommend they call a sitter/nanny service in the first offense, where the people who've dumped $1500 on a stay couldn't be arsed to spend $50 to have their kid watched for half a night. Kids were cool to work with though. Generally they called the report in themselves, "where's my mommy/daddy," and just wanted a snack or cartoons put back on. Wasabi the J has a new favorite as of 21:33 on Feb 9, 2015 |
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What happens when someone decides to convert WW2 surplus planes into flying yachts? http://www.messynessychic.com/2014/04/24/all-aboard-the-flying-yacht-circa-1950/ quote:...After the war, an entrepreneur by the name of Glenn Odekirk saw a new future for the roomy Catalinas as extreme luxury flying yachts. They were to be the epitome of glamorous travel that he called Landseaire.
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Wasabi the J posted:I worked hotel/casino security and unattended minor calls are depressingly frequent. gently caress, you just reminded me of one time I was in a casino that had a "Kids Zone" or something like that. A big arcade for the kids to play in, you know? They had hourly rates set for kids all the way down to 6 weeks old.
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Nckdictator posted:What happens when someone decides to convert WW2 surplus planes into flying yachts? This actually seems like a really awesome idea that could make somebody a lot of money if it were put into motion today. I wonder if you could modify an actual yacht for aerial flight.
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Nckdictator posted:What happens when someone decides to convert WW2 surplus planes into flying yachts? What a fascinating story. How the gently caress did they all (?) manage to get out of that alive
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Mak0rz posted:What a fascinating story. How the gently caress did they all (?) manage to get out of that alive I left some out. Here's what happend next! quote:"I ordered everybody out through the pilot’s hatch and they made for the shore 100 yards away. The water was only five feet deep. There was oil and gasoline all around us. We had 900 gallons of fuel and it was pouring out of the perforated tanks and splashing off the wings like a heavy rain off a roof. I still don’t know why we didn’t go up in flames. David Lees helped me wade ashore. Stephen kept saying, ‘I love you, Mother’, and Mrs. Shearer kept saying, ‘I love you, Steve.’ I like how the Saudi's refuse to apologize but behead the soldiers anyways. (Lots more info and pictures here http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/424/Sweet-Dreams-and-Nightmares.aspx ) This picture was taken a few hours before the attack Nckdictator has a new favorite as of 00:31 on Feb 10, 2015 |
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Phyzzle posted:Also, I remember people were unnerved by how the parents acted afterwards. A bit too much smiling and waving at the cameras? I think the same effect happened with Amanda Knox, whose behavior didn't seem quite right to the Italian cops after she was informed her roommate was murdered. Probably because she was rolling on Ecstasy. In that case, they more or less convicted her on a hunch. This happened with Lindy Chamberlain, as in 'a dingo stole my baby'. People just got on a witchhunt about her not grieving on TV in a way that they deemed appropriate. Also for some reason I can never fathom everyone acted like it was a crazy sci fi scenario that a dingo would take a baby (it's a predatory wild animal that easily has the strength to do so, what's not to get). Then in 1999, after Chamberlain had been released from her false imprisonment and pardoned, dingos indisputably killed another kid and everyone sort of quietly pretended they'd never scoffed at it. Buh has a new favorite as of 01:26 on Feb 10, 2015 |
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Great ad for whoever made those tyres.
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Great ad for the whole thing really, it was stuffed full of fuel, riddled with bullets then left to rot on beach for 60 years. And it's all still there pretty much. Wonder how long an F35 would survive those conditions?
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Pharnakes posted:Great ad for the whole thing really, it was stuffed full of fuel, riddled with bullets then left to rot on beach for 60 years. And it's all still there pretty much. Wonder how long an F35 would survive those conditions? Never mind the F-35, the Navy's Littoral Combat Ship would have probably disintegrated within a decade or two
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Never mind the F-35, the Navy's Littoral Combat Ship would have probably disintegrated within a decade or two It was literally disintegrating at the docks where it was built.
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Wasabi the J posted:It was littorally disintegrating at the docks where it was built.
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Not scary or unnerving but certainly odd. http://www.meforum.org/45/fdr-addresses-the-arabs quote:In 1798, soon after landing in Egypt, Napoleon Bonaparte issued a remarkable document in Arabic in which he informed the Egyptians that he hard arrived to "restore your rights from the hand of the [Muslim ruling] oppressors" and called on them to remain neutral in the contest ahead, threatening them with dire punishment should they disobey his orders.1
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