|
That has to be a parody or he understands nothing about scripture.
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 08:15
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 20:09 |
|
|
If Jesus were effeminate he wouldn't be fashioning whips or overturning tables but rather asking the beloved disciple to open a jar for him
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 08:19
|
|
|
Jesus isn't really that tough. Plenty of people have gone to death through worse torture without knowing they're going to be just fine three days later.
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 09:32
|
|
|
if jesus was tough why didn't He own motorbike
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 09:40
|
|
|
DarkCrawler posted:Jesus isn't really that tough. Plenty of people have gone to death through worse torture without knowing they're going to be just fine three days later. I bet you get all huffy when you stub your toe
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 09:40
|
|
|
Kyrie eleison posted:I bet you get all huffy when you stub your toe I'm not the one here putting a weak-rear end martyr story on a pedestal and going on about how masculine it is.
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 09:48
|
|
|
Rodatose posted:if jesus was tough why didn't He own motorbike he built my hotrod
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 09:50
|
|
|
Kyrie eleison posted:Well from the quotes you gave I generally agree with the idea that Jesus was masculine and not "effeminate." I think when you read the text he actually comes off as very masculine. I generally imagine him as having masculine mannerisms and speaking authoritatively about things, sometimes with brutal harshness. And the willingness it took for him to suffer torture and go to the cross with such quiet dignity could be said to have required metaphorical cojones. Iron Sky 2: the true Jesus.  
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 09:51
|
|
I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
|
Kyrie eleison posted:Glancing briefly at his yawn-inducing posts he seems like yet another person trying to claim that "Christianity is really about progressive politics, man" plus he's stupid enough to post in a troll thread so I imagine the vultures will tear him apart and leave him broken and embittered. We all know the deal: No hell despite what Jesus says, God actually thinks homosexuality and transsexuality are really cool, bigamy fornication drunkenness drug use masturbation pornography abortion and contraceptives are all also totally cool, Crusades were unjustifiable acts of aggression, gay female married priests, basically a bunch of stuff that flies in the face of tradition and scripture and convinces nobody. He talks poo poo about me in like his first post although I have no memory of interacting with him, which means he is afraid to reply to my posts directly I guess, so I doubt there's very much new or interesting he has to share Acts 10 posted:[Peter] said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. God has shown me that there are lots of people whom I should call impure or unclean. Now smell ya later, centurion scum."
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 15:46
|
|
|
Kyrie eleison posted:Well from the quotes you gave I generally agree with the idea that Jesus was masculine and not "effeminate." I think when you read the text he actually comes off as very masculine. I generally imagine him as having masculine mannerisms and speaking authoritatively about things, sometimes with brutal harshness. And the willingness it took for him to suffer torture and go to the cross with such quiet dignity could be said to have required metaphorical cojones. I hate to bust your bubble but Women have an empirically higher physical pain threshold than Men do.
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 15:52
|
|
|
Ocrassus posted:I hate to bust your bubble but Women have an empirically higher physical pain threshold than Men do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piRVp1EJJl4
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 15:54
|
|
|
Huh. Well I'll be, I just googled it and I'm wrong. My bad. Edit : no I'm not. Pain threshold and pain tolerance are different things. A women will 'feel' more pain than a man at equivalent stimulus.
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 15:57
|
|
|
The symptoms manifested from continued or large amounts of pain are also different. It's not the easiest thing to compare.
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 16:20
|
|
|
Ocrassus posted:Huh. Well I'll be, I just googled it and I'm wrong. My bad. So what exactly is your point then w/r/t the sufferings of Christ and how it was actually effeminate of him to not complain of his pain (lol) what does that have to do with anything
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 17:55
|
|
|
Kyrie eleison posted:what does that have to do with anything It means that everybody who seeks after God is clean and you have no right to call them dirty, tradition be damned. If you were Peter, you would have rejected Cornelius the centurion's invitation to his home on the grounds that Scripture and centuries of Jewish tradition explicitly forbid Jews from visiting the homes of Gentiles. And you would have gone against God's will to include Cornelius in the body of Christ.
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 20:08
|
|
|
Pththya-lyi posted:It means that everybody who seeks after God is clean and you have no right to call them dirty, tradition be damned. If you were Peter, you would have rejected Cornelius the centurion's invitation to his home on the grounds that Scripture and centuries of Jewish tradition explicitly forbid Jews from visiting the homes of Gentiles. And you would have gone against God's will to include Cornelius in the body of Christ. Look you aren't going to have me disagreeing that the Christian interpretation is superior to the Jewish one.
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 20:45
|
|
|
Kyrie eleison posted:Look you aren't going to have me disagreeing that the Christian interpretation is superior to the Jewish one. But you are disagreeing with the Christian interpretation! You're excluding people from the body of Christ - where "there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female" - for doctrinal reasons. The New Testament shows time and again that care for one's fellow humans trumps religious orthodoxy every time. When you put Scripture and tradition ahead of actual human beings, you're not acting as Christ would. You're acting more like the Pharisees described in the Gospels: more concerned with maintaining "purity" through tradition than helping people in need of salvation. VVV Basically what this dude/lady/transpeep is saying VVV Pththya-lyi fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Feb 11, 2015 |
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 21:46
|
|
|
DarkCrawler posted:I'm not a Catholic, but I thought they were pretty clear on the whole sanctity of life thing? It's the biggest sect of the biggest faith, a level of diversity is inevitable. The clergy are generally against killing in all it's forms, the laity is all over the place. Kyrie eleison posted:Glancing briefly at his yawn-inducing posts he seems like yet another person trying to claim that "Christianity is really about progressive politics, man" plus he's stupid enough to post in a troll thread so I imagine the vultures will tear him apart and leave him broken and embittered. Not every Christian poster is as easily upset as you, I'm afraid. quote:We all know the deal: No hell despite what Jesus says, God actually thinks homosexuality and transsexuality are really cool, bigamy fornication drunkenness drug use masturbation pornography abortion and contraceptives are all also totally cool, Crusades were unjustifiable acts of aggression, gay female married priests, basically a bunch of stuff that flies in the face of tradition and scripture and convinces nobody. 1) Hell was not necessarily considered the same in the past as it is today, we cannot presume to judge as if we were God. 2) God is pretty clear that harm is bad, in any form. 3) Attempting to conquer other people/lands for your own power/prestige is unjust, failing in the attempt is even more pathetic, this holds true in any era of history and today. 4) Everyone is secretly a least a little bit gay, so what?? 5) women deacons and clergy were there in the beginning, and the suppression of them is weakening. Turns out fear and bitterness make for lovely arguments! 6) scripture like the golden rule? Ignoring god saying that was the summation of all just law, be careful you don't place ancient musings over your own empathy and reason - beware kyrie, lest the deceiver poison your heart and mind against your brothers and sisters!
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 22:11
|
|
|
I think at this point we can all agree that kyrie is neither a good person nor a good christian, but an excellent demonstration of Poe's law.
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 22:34
|
|
|
I give people on the internet the benefit of the doubt that they are probably ok folks in real life. This is the medium to act out on, after all. But since this is the internet, we can judge by posting only - I do abjure and condemn thee, kyrie eleison, to torture yourself by posting forever in the hellish static of opinion that is . . oh, well it appears you already do, that was easy . . oh crap, I'm here! nooooooo
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 23:07
|
|
|
It is fitting that Kyrie's name means 'lord have mercy'.
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 23:09
|
|
|
I guess Khorne's true message all along... was love.
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 23:33
|
|
|
Disinterested posted:It is fitting that Kyrie's name means 'lord have mercy'. It should be something Deo Gratias. For you see, Kyrie is grateful that he is not like other goons.
|
|
#
?
Feb 11, 2015 23:52
|
|
|
blowfish posted:I think at this point we can all agree that kyrie is neither a good person nor a good christian, but an excellent demonstration of Poe's law. Oh I wouldn't go as far as Poe's Law. Kyrie's posts have oozed so much insincerity from the very beginning that I have to keep a washcloth nearby just to keep it off my screen. I have a harder time believing that people actually take him seriously.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 01:29
|
|
|
Rhjamiz posted:Oh I wouldn't go as far as Poe's Law. Kyrie's posts have oozed so much insincerity from the very beginning that I have to keep a washcloth nearby just to keep it off my screen. I have a harder time believing that people actually take him seriously. now that's just unfair
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 11:12
|
|
Kyrie eleison posted:now that's just unfair Oh god your new av.
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 12:01
|
|
|
Rhjamiz posted:Oh I wouldn't go as far as Poe's Law. Kyrie's posts have oozed so much insincerity from the very beginning that I have to keep a washcloth nearby just to keep it off my screen. I have a harder time believing that people actually take him seriously. Even if Kyrie himself is full of poo poo there is undoubtedly someone out there that actually believes all the things he's saying.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 12:03
|
|
|
Rhjamiz posted:Oh I wouldn't go as far as Poe's Law. Kyrie's posts have oozed so much insincerity from the very beginning that I have to keep a washcloth nearby just to keep it off my screen. I have a harder time believing that people actually take him seriously. Insincerity, yes. But in the sense that he was masturbating while writing flowery messages of love and forgiveness, while deluding himself that he actually believed them.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 12:27
|
|
|
steinrokkan posted:Insincerity, yes. But in the sense that he was masturbating while writing flowery messages of love and forgiveness, while deluding himself that he actually believed them. You don't believe in retribution or forgiveness? cool
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 18:51
|
|
Kyrie eleison posted:You don't believe in retribution or forgiveness? cool For you, or for everyone else?
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 19:00
|
|
|
Disinterested posted:For you, or for everyone else? Yeah, that's a good point, since some people should be treated fundamentally differently than others.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 19:01
|
|
Kyrie eleison posted:Yeah, that's a good point, since some people should be treated fundamentally differently than others. We voted and unfortunately you are not one of the elect.
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 19:02
|
|
|
Disinterested posted:We voted and unfortunately you are not one of the elect. Only one vote matters friend
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 19:03
|
|
|
Kyrie eleison posted:You don't believe in retribution or forgiveness? cool Retribution, no. Forgiveness, yes.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 19:16
|
|
|
Ocrassus posted:Retribution, no. Forgiveness, yes. An eye for an eye etc. etc.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 19:17
|
|
|
Kyrie eleison posted:Yeah, that's a good point, since some people should be treated fundamentally differently than others. No. Everyone deserves Hell, nobody has ever earned less than an eternity of torture. When you hurt someone, you're not offending them. Even if you kill them slowly with a knife you're doing less than they deserve, but you're not righteous in doing it. You're offending God, who is the only being in the cosmos who can distribute justice, with that justice taking the form of an eternity suffering God's full wrath. If God decides to not distribute justice, then that's his problem, but don't fool yourself into thinking there's anyone who's ever lived that doesn't deserve an eternity of suffering.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 19:18
|
|
Kyrie eleison posted:Only one vote matters friend I peeped in the Oscar's envelope. You won't be the one thanking god when the music plays you off.
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 19:19
|
|
|
TwoQuestions posted:No. Everyone deserves Hell, nobody has ever earned less than an eternity of torture. Finally someone in this thread has sense
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 19:21
|
|
|
TwoQuestions posted:If God decides to not distribute justice, then that's his problem, but don't fool yourself into thinking there's anyone who's ever lived that doesn't deserve an eternity of suffering. Hell must be an awesome place if everyone is going there.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 19:23
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 20:09 |
|
|
CommieGIR posted:An eye for an eye etc. etc. Lex talionis is a really dumb thing to subscribe to if your end goal is to reduce the net suffering of humanity. It A - Is not nearly as efficient as more rehabilitative methods at preventing offence and reoffence, B - Causes suffering for its own sake rather than to be of instrumental value (which is what I basically describe as pure evil) and C - Brutalises society to the point where we become accustomed to anger and revenge being an adequate response to a crime rather than an appeal to a rational sense of justice.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2015 19:27
|
|