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Jeb comes up with a foolproof way to avoid those tricky "gotcha" questions about Iraq and Afghanistan:quote:Asked at a news conference here Friday about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how he would have handled them differently, Bush said, "I won't talk about the past. I'll talk about the future."
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Feb 14, 2015 21:57
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Jesus christ, Hillary's got some seriously tough skin I mean, she must've known this was the treatment she'd get, and she's not even running yet. Who goes through this kind of poo poo voluntarily?
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Feb 14, 2015 22:08
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In the future, which is all I'll talk about, Social Security has been made extra super solvent for a hundred years by Republicans. America has an annual cotton candy festival with a Castroless Cuba and Canada has legally acknowledge the superiority of American Rules Football. This fine future, which will be the focus of my campaign, is truly a wonderland.V. Illych L. posted:Jesus christ, Hillary's got some seriously tough skin If it was easy everyone would run. There's got to be dire costs before you get to play with gas and economy levers in the Oval Office and threaten to annihilate your enemies with nuclear fire. Gyges fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Feb 14, 2015 |
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Feb 14, 2015 22:12
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V. Illych L. posted:Jesus christ, Hillary's got some seriously tough skin She's been living under more or less constant bombardment from the right wing noise machine for longer than some college graduates have been alive
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Feb 14, 2015 22:40
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DaveWoo posted:Jeb comes up with a foolproof way to avoid those tricky "gotcha" questions about Iraq and Afghanistan: Found a leaked practice run of his upcoming campaign announcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb6H14gVWjM
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Feb 14, 2015 22:57
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V. Illych L. posted:Jesus christ, Hillary's got some seriously tough skin Yeah if the incessant poo poo she gets from the right, who have hated her basically as long as she's been prominent, hasn't stopped her yet it never will.
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Feb 14, 2015 23:03
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DaveWoo posted:Jeb comes up with a foolproof way to avoid those tricky "gotcha" questions about Iraq and Afghanistan: So when does a wise old baboon come and beat him over the head with a stick? Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Feb 14, 2015 |
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Feb 14, 2015 23:07
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V. Illych L. posted:Jesus christ, Hillary's got some seriously tough skin She's been getting bagged on ever since she dared to suggest fixing healthcare in the 90s. She's used to it.
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Feb 14, 2015 23:32
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Nintendo Kid posted:She's been getting bagged on ever since she dared to suggest fixing healthcare in the 90s. She's used to it.
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Feb 15, 2015 00:11
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Nessus posted:Yeah, I think one of the issues the right is going to have is that they have literally been blaring HATE HILLARY CLINTON for twenty-four years. It's background noise. It's not so much that, as they already built maximum hate for her in the populace susceptible to hating her. Everybody else figured out whether they liked her or hated her by now, which is something sort of unique in recent candidates.
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Feb 15, 2015 00:27
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Nintendo Kid posted:It's not so much that, as they already built maximum hate for her in the populace susceptible to hating her. Everybody else figured out whether they liked her or hated her by now, which is something sort of unique in recent candidates. My hope for the 2016 campaign is that the GOP gets so ugly that they start chasing away women in general, as they have with every other demographic group identified with their opponents for the last 40 years.
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Feb 15, 2015 00:39
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Deteriorata posted:My hope for the 2016 campaign is that the GOP gets so ugly that they start chasing away women in general, as they have with every other demographic group identified with their opponents for the last 40 years. That's already happening. The overall number of women supporting GOP nonsense has been decreasing and shows no signs of recovery.
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Feb 15, 2015 00:41
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Deteriorata posted:My hope for the 2016 campaign is that the GOP gets so ugly that they start chasing away women in general, as they have with every other demographic group identified with their opponents for the last 40 years. Binders full of women and the constant assault on their reproductive rights/earning potential/insert gendered issue here is already doing this
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Feb 15, 2015 00:43
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Swagger Dagger posted:Binders full of women and the constant assault on their reproductive rights/earning potential/insert gendered issue here is already doing this Women were only D+4 in November (51D/47R). I'm hopeful that gap can be driven to double digits or more in 2016.
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Feb 15, 2015 00:47
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The midterms are meaningless for overall trends considering how severely every single Democratic demographic's tunrout was depleted. Hell, they managed 10% of the black vote, instead of their usual 0.02%, simply cause of so few black voters.
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Feb 15, 2015 00:59
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DaveWoo posted:Jeb comes up with a foolproof way to avoid those tricky "gotcha" questions about Iraq and Afghanistan: Going with the Bill Belichick method I see...
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Feb 15, 2015 01:13
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Fulchrum posted:The midterms are meaningless for overall trends considering how severely every single Democratic demographic's tunrout was depleted. Hell, they managed 10% of the black vote, instead of their usual 0.02%, simply cause of so few black voters. Maybe the black vote is just finally realizing that the Party of Lincoln is the one trying to save them from the real racists in the Democrat Party.
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Feb 15, 2015 01:13
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OctoberBlues posted:Going with the Bill Belichick method I see... We're onto New Hampshire.
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Feb 15, 2015 01:38
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Nintendo Kid posted:She's been getting bagged on ever since she dared to suggest fixing healthcare in the 90s. She's used to it. Enh, once you've personally capped a Deputy White House Counsel and gotten away with it, it gets a lot easier to brush off attacks from the right I suppose.
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Fulchrum posted:The midterms are meaningless for overall trends considering how severely every single Democratic demographic's tunrout was depleted. Hell, they managed 10% of the black vote, instead of their usual 0.02%, simply cause of so few black voters. How is an election that was affected by depleted turnout (even moreso than a typical midterm) meaningless for overall trends? Those Dem core constituencies didn't show up to vote for a reason.
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Feb 15, 2015 06:43
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OctoberBlues posted:Going with the Bill Belichick method I see... I'd say this is rather more the Mark McGwire method: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/03/17/steroids.baseball/ Also I'd note that the choice of "Ballghazi" as the name for the deflated ball thing is meant to be indicative that it's only a scandal for a very select group of people.
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Feb 15, 2015 06:45
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Skeesix posted:I'd say this is rather more the Mark McGwire method: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/03/17/steroids.baseball/ Or the Barack Obama method: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/12/us/politics/12inquire.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 Bush already got a free pass on Iraq from everyone who had the power to do something about it so Jeb has plenty of cover to do the exact same thing.
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Feb 15, 2015 06:48
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This idea came to me from one of the movie threads as they are making a movie about Andrew Jackson, but America hasn't hit rock bottom till a modern candidate defends the Trail of Tears. So everyone can look forward to that
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Fulchrum posted:The midterms are meaningless for overall trends considering how severely every single Democratic demographic's tunrout was depleted. Hell, they managed 10% of the black vote, instead of their usual 0.02%, simply cause of so few black voters. 10% of the black vote was actually historically (so 80s to 06) much closer to the norm than the <2% they had been getting in the Obama elections. It probably won't be in the future though.
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Feb 15, 2015 08:30
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sbaldrick posted:This idea came to me from one of the movie threads as they are making a movie about Andrew Jackson, but America hasn't hit rock bottom till a modern candidate defends the Trail of Tears. Christian homeschool textbooks already teach that the Trail of Tears was a good thing for Native Americans because so many of them gave their lives to Christ.
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Feb 15, 2015 08:49
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most of the native americans i know are either baptists or belong to black churches because they're black, except one dude who's decided to become a messianic jew
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Cliff Racer posted:10% of the black vote was actually historically (so 80s to 06) much closer to the norm than the <2% they had been getting in the Obama elections. It probably won't be in the future though. In the 80's through 06, you didn't have a party that could list "being the most obstructionist and bitter opposition in US history to the first black president" in their history. sbaldrick posted:This idea came to me from one of the movie threads as they are making a movie about Andrew Jackson, but America hasn't hit rock bottom till a modern candidate defends the Trail of Tears. They also made movies about Hitler, Stalin and the people who invented Disco. A biopic is not an approval of what a man did. Dr.Zeppelin posted:How is an election that was affected by depleted turnout (even moreso than a typical midterm) meaningless for overall trends? Those Dem core constituencies didn't show up to vote for a reason. I mean its wrong in terms of saying a significant number of women are coming to the Republican party, instead it says that the pool of women who voted in that election severely shrunk, and thus the Republican die-hards counted for a greater percentage. Which considering this was a histoircally low voter turnout election, and considering the next will probably have historically high female turnout, means that yes, it kinda is meaningless.
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Feb 15, 2015 11:00
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How significant is the Hispanic vote to the primaries now? Is Rubio representative enough, and/or the Republicans clueless on how to appeal to that demographic? Are the Democrats much better? Is my intuition that they are and the Republicans useless good enough or is it more complicated?
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I think Jeb is more likely to get a larger pecrcentage of the Hispanic vote in a Republican primary than REubio, owing the the formers actual achievements in things Hispanics care about, other than "being hispanic". THe question is if the much larger white racist aspect doesn't eat him alive for it first. Its hugely unlikely anyones opinion will really matter in the Democrats primary, since only one person wants to run, but in the general, Democrats can and do appeal to hispanics relatively well. Obama has made a lot of far more than token efforts to address the things that matter to hispanics, even with Congresses overwhelming sabotage, and the very blatantly partisan and racist obstructionism by Republicans makes the party distinction pretty clear.
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Feb 15, 2015 13:14
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NBC/Marist has polls of NH, IA, and SC. IA Huck 17 Bush 16 Walker 15 Christie 9 Rand 7 NH Bush 18 Walker 15 Rand 14 Christie 13 SC Graham 17  Bush 15 Walker 12 Huck/Carson 10 The Lindsay Graham train is leaving the station and it's time to hop on board - you don't want to be left behind! And general election matchups are mostly boring because Hillary is way ahead in both NH and IA but: SC Hillary 45 Bush 48 Hillary 46 Walker 46
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Feb 15, 2015 15:21
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Wow, Walker can't even beat Clinton in SC right now. I know it doesn't mean a whole lot, but still. People responding to the poll know it means nothing, and yet they're still saying like, "naw, son, let's be real."
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:How is an election that was affected by depleted turnout (even moreso than a typical midterm) meaningless for overall trends? Those Dem core constituencies didn't show up to vote for a reason. One point does not make a trend.
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ewe2 posted:How significant is the Hispanic vote to the primaries now? Is Rubio representative enough, and/or the Republicans clueless on how to appeal to that demographic? Are the Democrats much better? Is my intuition that they are and the Republicans useless good enough or is it more complicated? Very little. Turnout in primaries is very, very low and very, very white, particularly in Republican primaries. Here are some points for comparison from the place where the Hispanic vote is likely to matter most in the Republican primaries: Votes for Mitt Romney in the Florida Presidential general election, 2012: 4,163,447 Votes for Rick Scott in the Gubernatorial election, 2014: 2,865,343 Total votes in the Republican Presidential primary in Florida, 2012: 1,672,634 And that's pretty impressive turnout for a primary election!
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Wow. For Hillary to be even within 5 points of the leading GOP contenders in loving South Carolina has to have the bigwigs in the GOP making GBS threads their pants. I'm sure they will have no problem ultimately winning the state in the general election, but that kind of number is a pretty lovely indicator of how the general election will go, and it suggests she will likely win important states like VA pretty easily. No wonder they are working their anti Hillary angles so hard right now.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Christian homeschool textbooks already teach that the Trail of Tears was a good thing for Native Americans because so many of them gave their lives to Christ. My cynicism basically knows no bounds, but the little spark of hope left in my heart refuses to believe this is true.
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richardfun posted:My cynicism basically knows no bounds, but the little spark of hope left in my heart refuses to believe this is true. It's true. Consult the book "Christ in the Americas" for more information. http://www.amazon.com/Christ-And-The-Americas-Carroll/dp/0895555948 Note: This is specifically a Catholic homeschool textbook and is actually much, much 'better' than the Evangelical ones.
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sbaldrick posted:This idea came to me from one of the movie threads as they are making a movie about Andrew Jackson, but America hasn't hit rock bottom till a modern candidate defends the Trail of Tears. Andrew Jackson's bio would make a very exciting movie. When a man tried to assassinate him, Jackson had to be pulled off the guy by bystanders. In one duel he intentionally wore baggy clothing an let the other guy shoot first so he could be sure that his aim was true to kill him. At his funeral his pet parrot had to be removed because it was constantly swearing in English and Spanish. He wasn't a good guy, but holy poo poo was he entertaining in a 80s action movie fashion. He was an insane mix of both the 80s action villain and hero. Fighting for some of the people by almost unfathomably loving over other people.
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And the best part is that he was still a vast improvement on the existing status quo.
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Zwabu posted:Wow. For Hillary to be even within 5 points of the leading GOP contenders in loving South Carolina has to have the bigwigs in the GOP making GBS threads their pants. Polls said the same thing this early about O in 2012. Basically, the D vote has already coalesced and all the undecideds are Republicans who claim they want to "wait and see" but are just gonna vote for the
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