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Volkerball posted:That clears things up a bit. But they themselves stereotype this jew with all the fury of a skinhead. They're basically indistinguishable from Christian freepers at this point.
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I too am very concerned about those lying money-grubbing Jews who control what the media prints.
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Feb 15, 2015 09:17
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I guess the idea is that this is how Europeans will see Jews even if they agree with them? Still seems bizarre, it's like something 4chan would make.
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Feb 15, 2015 09:43
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Feb 15, 2015 12:11
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Darth Walrus posted:Who's this by? Absurd Alhazred posted:Samaria Settlers Committee.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Samaria Settlers Committee. Xander77 posted:Something to remember - they are humongous assholes to everyone. Everyone. EVERYONE. I am constantly astounded by how much poo poo the general Israeli public is willing to take from these people with only barest hint of the enormous backlash they really deserve. Kinda like the Tea Party in that way as well.
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Feb 15, 2015 12:58
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Colonialism may be racist as poo poo, but it's not racially driven. The whole idea of manifest destiny does fit in with some aspects of what Israel has been doing but ultimately if Israel was more into colonialism than "maintaining religious and racial purity and control" then we would have seen a resolving to the Palenstian/Israeli conflict a long time ago. Bombing is bad for business, ghettos are bad for business, terrorism is bad for business. Israel gains nothing from having a giant ghetto full of poor people, they gain nothing from having a unexploited work force, they get nothing from decades long conflict. There isn't a justification for the current conflict outside "We want to stay the master race", I would be far more sympathetic is Israel if they were only colonialists.
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Feb 15, 2015 20:04
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quote:בנימין נתניהו @netanyahu · 3h 3 hours ago come here where we feel safe from terrorism
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Feb 15, 2015 20:10
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Volkerball posted:come here where we feel safe from terrorism ... and the civilian k/d ratio vs. Muslims is much better.
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Feb 15, 2015 20:22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpVwW_bfEQMquote:The ad shows the group of terrorists pulling up to a random Israeli to ask how to get to Jerusalem. "Take left," they're told.
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Feb 15, 2015 21:03
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I wonder who's music they used in that. edit: Classy quote:The snatch of Arabic rap lyrics is excerpted from a song by an Amman-based Palestinian group called Torabyeh: “I want to be buried in the same cemetery that my grandfather was buried in. Since my childhood I’ve been dreaming of becoming a soldier and as time passed I discovered who I wanted to belong to: Mahmoud Abbas, Fateh, Hamas or…Jabha [the DFLP] …”
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Feb 15, 2015 21:09
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that seems like a very 2004-ish political ad. Bibi must've brought in some Republican consultants, he's got his media message on-point.
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Feb 15, 2015 21:13
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Venom Snake posted:Colonialism may be racist as poo poo, but it's not racially driven. The whole idea of manifest destiny does fit in with some aspects of what Israel has been doing but ultimately if Israel was more into colonialism than "maintaining religious and racial purity and control" then we would have seen a resolving to the Palenstian/Israeli conflict a long time ago. Bombing is bad for business, ghettos are bad for business, terrorism is bad for business. Israel gains nothing from having a giant ghetto full of poor people, they gain nothing from having a unexploited work force, they get nothing from decades long conflict. Many British colonies - including the Mandate of Palestine - endured decades of terrorism, bombing, and assassinations by independence movements. And Israel exploits the hell out of the Palestinian workforce - tens of thousands of West Bank Palestinians work for Israeli businesses in Israel or in/around the settlements (where, incidentally, Israeli labor law doesn't apply). According to Palestinian labor activists, 90% of workers on the factory floor in Sodastream's West Bank factory are Palestinian laborers, with most of the rest being new Israeli immigrants.
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Feb 15, 2015 21:15
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If that ad is indicative of the direction of Israeli discourse then it's only a matter of time before a leader gains political momentum for whom "The left are traitors, only I can protect you" is not just an underhanded sales pitch but a sincere belief. At this rate Netanyahu will seem moderate compared to his eventual successor, and the generation incubated in such a climate.
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Feb 15, 2015 21:28
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Dolash posted:If that ad is indicative of the direction of Israeli discourse then it's only a matter of time before a leader gains political momentum for whom "The left are traitors, only I can protect you" is not just an underhanded sales pitch but a sincere belief. I don't know about leaders, but it's definitely a sincere belief among a lot of Israelis.
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Feb 15, 2015 21:29
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Yeah, I don't think there's any real argument that Likud and it's supporters aren't fascist.
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The only way I could see the current far right government losing power is if Bibi and his party continue their crusade against the West and the U.S. Government. If I was Obama after this address fiasco and the fact Bibi himself campaigned for Romney I would make Israel very aware that there is a snow balls chance in hell of them ever getting help from the U.S. military or the federal government again.
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Feb 15, 2015 23:43
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The right has been losing a lot of electoral power, just not enough. At this point in time Bibi must be regretting his decision to give Lapid and Livni the finger rather than appeasing them. You can pretty much bank on Bibi going full retard and trying to get tensions to flare up as much as possible his next term, I'm not sure it will do him any good but he'll give it his best effort, the man loves his seat.
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Feb 15, 2015 23:46
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Seeing some articles on my Facebook feed about Gadi Eisenkot becoming the new IDF chief of staff. Anyone have some details on any notable things he's done or lobbied for?
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Zerilan posted:Seeing some articles on my Facebook feed about Gadi Eisenkot becoming the new IDF chief of staff. Anyone have some details on any notable things he's done or lobbied for? Eisenkot was also offered the job in 2011, but he deferred to the more senior Benny Gantz, who is now outgoing. Eisenkot has previously stated that he believes Israel should only mount strikes on Iran as an absolute last resort. He's also the architect of the Dahiya Doctrine, which is the IDF's strategy of deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and property (not to mention civilian lives) with wildly disproportionate force as a means of deterrence and collective punishment: ynet News posted:Israel would use "disproportionate" force to destroy Lebanese villages from which Hizbullah guerrillas fired rockets at its cities in any future war, an Israeli general said in remarks published on Friday. Eisenkot formulated this strategy in 2006 as commander of the IDF northern military district abutting Lebanon, but it's seen practical application mostly against Gaza. The Israel attacks of 2008 and 2014 followed his script very closely.
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EvanSchenck posted:Eisenkot was also offered the job in 2011, but he deferred to the more senior Benny Gantz, who is now outgoing. Eisenkot has previously stated that he believes Israel should only mount strikes on Iran as an absolute last resort. He's also the architect of the Dahiya Doctrine, which is the IDF's strategy of deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and property (not to mention civilian lives) with wildly disproportionate force as a means of deterrence and collective punishment: Fucker should burn. 
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Feb 16, 2015 07:22
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EvanSchenck posted:He's also the architect of the Dahiya Doctrine, which is the IDF's strategy of deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and property (not to mention civilian lives) with wildly disproportionate force as a means of deterrence and collective punishment: So Israel is literally nazi germany at this point, apparently?
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Feb 16, 2015 08:22
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Pretty sure those are different countries.
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Feb 16, 2015 10:56
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Figuratively, literally figuratively.
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EvanSchenck posted:Eisenkot was also offered the job in 2011, but he deferred to the more senior Benny Gantz, who is now outgoing. Eisenkot has previously stated that he believes Israel should only mount strikes on Iran as an absolute last resort. He's also the architect of the Dahiya Doctrine, which is the IDF's strategy of deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and property (not to mention civilian lives) with wildly disproportionate force as a means of deterrence and collective punishment: This is such a bizarre thing to be permitted to say because it's very illegal at international law on its face.
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Feb 16, 2015 11:50
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Disinterested posted:This is such a bizarre thing to be permitted to say because it's very illegal at international law on its face. Israel's military strategies (and public discourse!) haven't cared about international law for quite a few years now.
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Feb 16, 2015 15:59
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Miftan posted:Israel's military strategies (and public discourse!) haven't cared about international law for quite a few years now. Just because the international community fails to protect its Jewish citizens from terrorism, doesn't mean Israel will. Isn't it time for Jews to come to a safe, eternal home, one where they can count on their government to take proactive measures to disincentivize terror?
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Feb 16, 2015 16:02
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Except that it is neither safe or eternal and Israel has been the biggest PR boon for anti-semitic terrorism for a good while, so...
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Feb 16, 2015 16:07
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My Imaginary GF posted:Just because the international community fails to protect its Jewish citizens from terrorism, doesn't mean Israel will. Maybe you Israelis should do poo poo for yourselves and stop mooching off of states with more history than yours. Stop begging and get a real job. Put up or shut up.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Isn't it time for Jews to come to a safe, eternal home, one where they can count on their government to take proactive measures to disincentivize terror? Terrorism doesn't disincentivize terrorism, you dumb motherfucker. Also, you just said that terrorism as a proactive measure against terrorism is a good thing, and I realize that there are policy makers out there who unironically agree with that. gently caress.
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Miftan posted:Israel's military strategies (and public discourse!) haven't cared about international law for quite a few years now. I'm aware, but usually people who proudly commit violations still don't flaunt them in the press just in case.
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Disinterested posted:I'm aware, but usually people who proudly commit violations still don't flaunt them in the press just in case. Israel can do whatever it wants, secure in the knowledge that the UN will never hold them accountable.
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Panzeh posted:Maybe you Israelis should do poo poo for yourselves and stop mooching off of states with more history than yours. Stop begging and get a real job. MIGF isn't an Israeli. He (or his gimmick) is a Jewish-American rabid supporter of Israeli hawks, right or righter. Kajeesus posted:Terrorism doesn't disincentivize terrorism, you dumb motherfucker. I'd been reading this book about the history of Irgun, the Jewish terrorist organization lead by the late Begin, and the writer himself wrote very proudly about Irgun's counter-terrorism terrorism, without a hint of irony. "The Jews used to be afraid, but after the indiscriminate shooting at that train and the bombing of that Arab market, it is the Arabs who are afraid. Thus Arab terrorism was fought."
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New Division posted:Israel can do whatever it wants, secure in the knowledge that the UN will never hold them accountable. I'm aware of the practicalities, but most people who do those things tend to say stuff more like 'we didn't do it but it wouldn't have been bad if we did'.
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Feb 16, 2015 16:44
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My Imaginary GF posted:Just because the international community fails to protect its Jewish citizens from terrorism, doesn't mean Israel will.
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Feb 16, 2015 17:15
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He always oversells the I/P troll, not even Panzeh's conter-trolling can save it sometimes.
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Disinterested posted:This is such a bizarre thing to be permitted to say because it's very illegal at international law on its face. International law is a Nazi plot to further the cause of antisemitism. This is what Israel actually believes.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Isn't it time for Jews to come to a safe, eternal home, one where they can count on their government to take proactive measures to disincentivize terror? No, it isn't. It's funny how flat Zionism falls when you try to sell it on its own merits.
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Feb 16, 2015 18:04
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bpower posted:Nothing like collective punishment to disincentivize terror. It worked so well in Algeria, Vietnam, South Africa, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan... Wait, I meant "failed miserably and exacerbated the situation". Man, the keys are right next to each other.
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