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When was the last time a presidential election year dipped below 50% turnout?
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Feb 16, 2015 01:11
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Fulchrum posted:When was the last time a presidential election year dipped below 50% turnout? 1820, when only 15 out of 24 states had a popular vote for president.
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Feb 16, 2015 01:16
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Nintendo Kid posted:1820, when only 15 out of 24 states had a popular vote for president. Though the lowest turnout in recent memory is 1996, at about 51%.
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Feb 16, 2015 01:36
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Obama's approval ratings have been trending up and are generally decent/average for a 2nd term president. He won't be a pariah to run from for 2016.
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Feb 16, 2015 01:39
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Lockback posted:Obama's approval ratings have been trending up and are generally decent/average for a 2nd term president. He won't be a pariah to run from for 2016. But he's black and/or weak-willed *wrings hands like a flustered old lady*
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Feb 16, 2015 02:01
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Nintendo Kid posted:She's been getting bagged on ever since she dared to suggest fixing healthcare in the 90s. She's used to it. Some of us here are old enough to remember 1992. It was ugly and its just gotten worse since.
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Feb 16, 2015 02:03
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Lockback posted:Obama's approval ratings have been trending up and are generally decent/average for a 2nd term president. He won't be a pariah to run from for 2016. Things are really looking up for him but two weeks is a long time in politics, let alone two years. Who knows what will happen in the future. If Jeb needs more clarification on that I am sure he can ask his dad about it...
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Feb 16, 2015 02:32
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My Imaginary GF posted:Oh, really? Is this dude running for a third term, while the party base runs as far away from him as they can? Who do you think is going to get a better speaking slot at their Party's convention Barack Obama or Jeb's own brother?
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Feb 16, 2015 03:49
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Zwabu posted:How many ways can you say "shrill harpy" or "castrating bitch" without actually using those words? Finally my overstock supply of Hillary Clinton nutcrackers will hit their peak value.
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Feb 16, 2015 03:51
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DynamicSloth posted:Who do you think is going to get a better speaking slot at their Party's convention Barack Obama or Jeb's own brother? No way W. speaks at the convention, to many really public bad memories that could come up real quick. How H.W would be more helpful in the general but not with the base. Obama and Bill will tag team introduce Hillary for the mom.
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Feb 16, 2015 04:37
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HW would be really interesting, assuming he isn't already dead by that time. I don't know if they'd go for a pre-recorded video or stick him up on stage live and hope he doesn't physically look awful. Anyway, I don't think that either Bush family member would be asked to headline a night as HW has just been uninvolved in politics for too long and the party would rather not tie W to Jeb (or whoever it is that wins the nomination) at all if possible. I honestly don't know what either of the Bushes would have to say either, W could talk about faith or commitment in the face of adversity (aka unpopularity) I guess.
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Feb 16, 2015 04:44
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Is HW even in good enough shape for something like that? Last I heard he was in a wheelchair and his memory wasn't all that great.
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Feb 16, 2015 04:48
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Cliff Racer posted:HW would be really interesting, assuming he isn't already dead by that time. I don't know if they'd go for a pre-recorded video or stick him up on stage live and hope he doesn't physically look awful. Anyway, I don't think that either Bush family member would be asked to headline a night as HW has just been uninvolved in politics for too long and the party would rather not tie W to Jeb (or whoever it is that wins the nomination) at all if possible. I honestly don't know what either of the Bushes would have to say either, W could talk about faith or commitment in the face of adversity (aka unpopularity) I guess. My thoughts exactly about Bush the Elder; he's really not in good enough shape to be there in person, both from the perspectives of optics and his own health. I can't imagine anyone with an ounce of brains would bring Bush the Lesser on, as doing so would be begging the next media cycle to tie the GOP candidate to his various terrible failures.
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Feb 16, 2015 04:51
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Titus Sardonicus posted:Is HW even in good enough shape for something like that? Last I heard he was in a wheelchair and his memory wasn't all that great. They can wheel him out wearing a pair of socks with his face on them and the the crowd will love him. 
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Feb 16, 2015 04:52
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Captain_Maclaine posted:My thoughts exactly about Bush the Elder; he's really not in good enough shape to be there in person, both from the perspectives of optics and his own health. I can't imagine anyone with an ounce of brains would bring Bush the Lesser on, as doing so would be begging the next media cycle to tie the GOP candidate to his various terrible failures. Not to mention HW was the last Bush who lost to a Clinton.
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Feb 16, 2015 04:57
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Titus Sardonicus posted:Is HW even in good enough shape for something like that? Last I heard he was in a wheelchair and his memory wasn't all that great. Didn't stop Reagan. Ultimately, 2016 will come down to whether the economy is seen as improving or not. If it is, great, Clinton will be seen as the better alternative. If it ain't--and no way in hell does Congress implement some decent pork spending---then Hillary will represent the continuation of failed policies, and Jeb the smart brother who should've run in 2000.
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Feb 16, 2015 04:59
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Titus Sardonicus posted:Is HW even in good enough shape for something like that? Last I heard he was in a wheelchair and his memory wasn't all that great. The GOP has a pretty big thing going on for older white men with significant memory issues. Hell you could use that phrase to put their party in a nutshell.
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Feb 16, 2015 05:01
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Captain_Maclaine posted:My thoughts exactly about Bush the Elder; he's really not in good enough shape to be there in person, both from the perspectives of optics and his own health. I can't imagine anyone with an ounce of brains would bring Bush the Lesser on, as doing so would be begging the next media cycle to tie the GOP candidate to his various terrible failures. The can just set up an empty chair and pretend it's him. Republicans are good at that sort of thing.
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Feb 16, 2015 05:11
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I mean, they did use Clint Eastwood in 2012. I don't see why they wouldn't use HW.
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Feb 16, 2015 05:17
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Deteriorata posted:The can just set up an empty chair and pretend it's him. Republicans are good at that sort of thing. Like pretending Reagan was lucid.
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Feb 16, 2015 05:19
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The Aardvark posted:I mean, they did use Clint Eastwood in 2012. I don't see why they wouldn't use HW. I dunno, I think Clint pulled a fast one on them. Come on, no prepared remarks? Who agrees to that?
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Feb 16, 2015 05:28
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Lockback posted:Obama's approval ratings have been trending up and are generally decent/average for a 2nd term president. He won't be a pariah to run from for 2016. the whole 'stopped giving a gently caress' part has been pretty good for his polls
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Feb 16, 2015 05:44
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If prep god HW does it, it's correct look how icy  look how icy I am   I do this all day, I can't prevent it from happening   "oh but Dad can you wear a white jacket"  "can you wear a white turtleneck"  "can you wear pink soc--" bitch, look at me  You don't know what I've been through. In the 80s I...  ...I wore a poly blend
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Feb 16, 2015 05:50
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My Imaginary GF posted:Didn't stop Reagan. It's amazing to me how much poo poo you are able to spew at such a high volume per second rate.
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Feb 16, 2015 06:35
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look at these two old shitters by this loving fence here
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Feb 16, 2015 06:43
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I'd give better odds for the dems having Carter speak at the convention than the republicans bringing out w.
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Feb 16, 2015 06:44
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What's weird is that if Jeb is the nominee, W will be in the audience and it'll be palpably weird that he's not speaking. He'll definitely be the biggest issue for Jeb heading into the fall campaign, and we can all steel ourselves toward reliving our high school years in the media.
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Feb 16, 2015 06:51
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Captain_Maclaine posted:My thoughts exactly about Bush the Elder; he's really not in good enough shape to be there in person, both from the perspectives of optics and his own health. I can't imagine anyone with an ounce of brains would bring Bush the Lesser on, as doing so would be begging the next media cycle to tie the GOP candidate to his various terrible failures. I think the only path to a Jeb Bush presidency is to own the Dubya Legacy and pretend it was a massive success ruined by the devil Obama. The republican base will buy it, at least, if it's sold to them properly.
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Feb 16, 2015 06:57
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Aliquid posted:What's weird is that if Jeb is the nominee, W will be in the audience and it'll be palpably weird that he's not speaking. He'll definitely be the biggest issue for Jeb heading into the fall campaign, and we can all steel ourselves toward reliving our high school years in the media. They can have W speak if it's just a bunch of childhood anecdotes about how much smarter Jeb is than him. Just have some speechwriters change all the references to something people can relate to, so that "When we was kids, I would try to git the nanny off of our backs by yellin and cryin at her, but Jeb figured out how to sweet talk her real good by promisin' to put in a good word with th' household HR director," becomes "I used to try and climb up the fridge to get the cookie jar, but Jeb figured out he could just push a chair up and stand on that," PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Feb 16, 2015 |
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Feb 16, 2015 06:57
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oddium posted:More like My Imaginary Talking Points Boom shakalaka 
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Feb 16, 2015 07:39
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PupsOfWar posted:They can have W speak if it's just a bunch of childhood anecdotes about how much smarter Jeb is than him. "I used to try to stick my dick in the electric sockets but Jeb showed me how to tape a fork to my ballsack"
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Feb 16, 2015 10:56
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FAUXTON posted:"I used to try to stick my dick in the electric sockets but Jeb showed me how to tape a fork to my ballsack"  you have such a way with imagery.
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Feb 16, 2015 13:50
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I think the only path to a Jeb Bush presidency is to own the Dubya Legacy and pretend it was a massive success ruined by the devil Obama. The republican base will buy it, at least, if it's sold to them properly. Not only own it, message it as a good time ruined by Democrats. 'Hillary allowed the rise of ISIS out of cowardice. W would have bombed ISIS much earlier. Vote Jeb to restore funding to Department of Homeland Security and protect yourself from terrorism.'
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Feb 16, 2015 13:53
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My Imaginary GF posted:Didn't stop Reagan. That was Reagan though. If the GOP could exhume him and give him a nominal makeup/SFX job, they'd pull a hybrid Weekend at Bernie's/Muppet Show thing with him. He's a goddamn demigod. H-Dub was the last incumbent to lose and he committed a mortal sin by reneging on a "no new taxes" promise. But then you could always hype up his hatred of broccoli, a freedom fighter in the face of Moochelle's oppression  Of course, I'm giving this more thought than anyone in the GOP's base ever would.
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Feb 16, 2015 14:09
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For reference, at the 2008 RNC, Laura Bush spoke live with George W. Bush speaking live from the White House by satellite while George HW and Barbara watched, but did not speak. At the 2012 RNC, Georges W. and H.W. spoke by tape. Carter spoke by tape at the 2012 DNC and didn't speak at the 2008 DNC, but they did show a tribute video to him. And there's the infamous story of the Reagan hologram at the 2012 RNC. My prediction: the Bushes and Carter do another pre-recorded tape, Obama gives one of the big end-of-night speeches, possibly the nominating speech, and Bill Clinton doesn't speak. Joementum fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Feb 16, 2015 |
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Feb 16, 2015 14:11
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Titus Sardonicus posted:That was Reagan though. If the GOP could exhume him and give him a nominal makeup/SFX job, they'd pull a hybrid Weekend at Bernie's/Muppet Show thing with him. He's a goddamn demigod. You really are. You're applying logic to something thats all about gut feeling. Who can you trust to carry on Reagan's legacy, Jeb or a woman who couldn't even keep her husband satisfied while he was in office? E: 'America needs a cold warrior, not a frigid warrior.'
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Feb 16, 2015 14:14
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Joementum posted:My prediction: the Bushes and Carter do another pre-recorded tape, Obama gives one of the big end-of-night speeches, possibly the nominating speech, and Bill Clinton doesn't speak. No way Bill doesn't speak.
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Feb 16, 2015 15:27
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comes along bort posted:No way Bill doesn't speak. I briefly imagined this being awkward, but then again Bill . You know he's going to ding it off the rafters.
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Feb 16, 2015 15:46
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I imagine that a DNC speaking slot is like the only speech that he won't be allowed to show up late to, too. Suck it, Billy, you're going on when advertised this time!
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Feb 16, 2015 15:54
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Joementum posted:My prediction: the Bushes and Carter do another pre-recorded tape, Obama gives one of the big end-of-night speeches, possibly the nominating speech, and Bill Clinton doesn't speak. There is something to be said to not up-stage Hillary, but its Bill Clinton. His speech will probably go down really early so that people have time to forget it by the time the nomination comes up.
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