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Facepalm Ranger posted:Well Spider-verse was just plain bad now, wasn't it? I'm legitimately torn. The actual story, the main thrust of it was completely worthless. But most of the tie-ins were pretty amazing. Without this, we wouldn't have Spider-Gwen, Spider-Punk, or SP//dr. Hell most of the rest of the tie-ins were at least enjoyable. If Spider-mans VS Vampire: The Masquerade was the price to pay for these other, actually good stories then I'm ok with that. Vulpes Vulpes posted:I would never have thought that Gerard Way would be a good comics writer. If you haven't checked it already, I can't recommend the Umbrella Academy enough. Crazy cool story and gorgeous art. 
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Feb 14, 2015 01:57
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Yvonmukluk posted:I thought the 50th anniversary/Alpha took place before Superior kicked off? Yeah, I thought we were talking about the plans after Amazing 700 and not back with Alpha debuting. But still, my point is Slott is so enamored with his own pet characters that he wanted the BIGGEST SPIDER-MAN EVENT EVER to not even have Peter Parker in it. Otto as Spider-Man is pretty much Slott's fantasy fulfillment and his Mary Sue character, it's disgusting.
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Feb 14, 2015 02:01
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Dreqqus posted:
Yeah, Umbrella Academy was a cool book.
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Feb 14, 2015 02:41
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Dreqqus posted:I'm legitimately torn. The actual story, the main thrust of it was completely worthless. But most of the tie-ins were pretty amazing. Without this, we wouldn't have Spider-Gwen, Spider-Punk, or SP//dr. Hell most of the rest of the tie-ins were at least enjoyable. If Spider-mans VS Vampire: The Masquerade was the price to pay for these other, actually good stories then I'm ok with that. This event has pretty much solidified for me that Slott is a really, really great idea man, but when it comes to executing on those ideas he is the last person you want. He should really be an editor and not a writer.
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Feb 14, 2015 07:34
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TheJoker138 posted:This event has pretty much solidified for me that Slott is a really, really great idea man, but when it comes to executing on those ideas he is the last person you want. He should really be an editor and not a writer. For some reason the idea of being promoted through incompetence sits ill at ease with me.
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Feb 14, 2015 15:17
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Lurdiak posted:For some reason the idea of being promoted through incompetence sits ill at ease with me. But it's the American way?
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Feb 14, 2015 17:36
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Old discussion but i'm pretty excited for Silk, Slott has a good history of putting up something pretty bad and other writers doing something good with it, like with Alpha, SpOck and bringing Kaine back to life.
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Feb 14, 2015 23:02
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Old discussion but i'm pretty excited for Silk, Slott has a good history of putting up something pretty bad and other writers doing something good with it, like with Alpha, SpOck and bringing Kaine back to life. But can any writer overcome all the baggage of Silk's creation? Can anyone atone for her...Original Sin? 
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Feb 15, 2015 01:43
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TheJoker138 posted:This event has pretty much solidified for me that Slott is a really, really great idea man, but when it comes to executing on those ideas he is the last person you want. He should really be an editor and not a writer. Yeah. He knows how to make an interesting outline of a story, he just can't write the people and things that happen in it. What the hell is the reading order of Spider Man Verse thingie?
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Feb 15, 2015 07:09
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Old discussion but i'm pretty excited for Silk, Slott has a good history of putting up something pretty bad and other writers doing something good with it, like with Alpha, SpOck and bringing Kaine back to life. Someone being excited for Silk reminds me of DarkTitizme being really into the Nu 52 version of Starfire. Maybe the new writer will give her character traits other than "fucks Spider-Man a lot. Seriously they gently caress a LOT," but when that's the whole basis for a character I don't hold out a lot of hope.
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Feb 15, 2015 07:43
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The preview shows her happy to get in a normal fight against some C-lister called Dragonclaw, asking him if he stole that name from Pokemon and then wondering if Pokemon was still a thing, so that was fun. If we get into how the basis of the character is a creepy sex doll for Peter then yeah, i'll drop it, but after Alpha's cool mini and Kaine's fun run i'm pretty hopeful for this, Slott wrote a boring one dimensional thing, that means there's tons of room to actually make a character.
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Feb 15, 2015 08:04
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NutritiousSnack posted:
Read the Spider-Verse team up comic, Scarlet Spiders, and Spider-Man 2099. Skip everythign else, especially Amazing.
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Feb 15, 2015 08:37
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Soonmot posted:Read the Spider-Verse team up comic, Scarlet Spiders, and Spider-Man 2099. Skip everythign else, especially Amazing. When someone asks for a reading order don't give them one that leaves out a big chunk of the story
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Feb 15, 2015 10:28
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It's not even a crazy release schedule like say Black Vortex. You can just read the main series on it's own in Amazing Spider-Man 9-15, helpfully titled Spider-Verse Part 1-6 and Epilogue. You can read the spin off books like Edge of Spider-Verse if you want more information on the new characters or Spider-Woman, Scarlet Spiders or Spider-Man 2099 for those character. The main book even has editor notes to tell you where they take place. Here's the crazy wikipedia schedule if you want to read everything: Prelude The Amazing Spider-Man #4-6 Edge of the Spider-Verse #1-5 Spider-Man 2099 #5 The Superior Spider-Man #32-33 The Amazing Spider-Man #7-8 Core series The Amazing Spider-Man #9-15 Tie-ins Scarlet Spiders #1-3 Spider-Man 2099 #6-8 Spider-Verse #1-2 Spider-Verse Team Up #1-3 Spider-Woman #1-4
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Feb 15, 2015 11:27
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You lose nothing by not reading the main series except bad comics.
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Feb 15, 2015 17:09
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Thanks Waterhaul and soonmoot, haven't been following the main spidey book since Slott took over and just picked up the Team and Edge books because they looked fun.
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Feb 15, 2015 17:14
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IIRC Spider-verse #2 has the Spider-punk story, so you need to read that. 2099 has two of the est moments in the story
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Feb 15, 2015 17:30
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So I just read Spider-Woman #4, and that was my first real experience reading anything related to Jess and Carol's friendship. Where can I get more of that? Should I be reading Captain Marvel?
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Feb 15, 2015 21:59
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Castomira posted:So I just read Spider-Woman #4, and that was my first real experience reading anything related to Jess and Carol's friendship. Where can I get more of that? Should I be reading Captain Marvel?
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Feb 15, 2015 22:19
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No one thought Captain Marvel came across as a bit of a dick in that avenging spidey issue? Which I guess is good for the sake of a diverse cast??
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Feb 16, 2015 17:20
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I feel it was not so much being diverse as it was DeConnick making her feelings on the Carol/Peter relationship known and trying to kill it asap
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Feb 16, 2015 17:37
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Which is too bad, because it's the only relationship they've even hinted at since the marriage broke up that I gave even half a poo poo about.
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Feb 16, 2015 18:34
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Blockhouse posted:I feel it was not so much being diverse as it was DeConnick making her feelings on the Carol/Peter relationship known and trying to kill it asap What the hell happened?
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Feb 16, 2015 19:18
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For the sake of discussion, does anybody else think that Spider-Gwen is going to need a slightly different powerset/armament if she's imported to the central storylines? Like, right now she has the exact same powers as Peter, which would be fine if things stayed like they were in her debut comic where she was the only spider, but if she starts appearing everywhere else during Secret Wars... she has narrower abilities than basically everyone but Anya (who currently has the most boring powerset she's ever had.) Like, I don't know where the middle ground is with her between "giving her a distinct style" and "gilding the lily."
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Feb 16, 2015 19:20
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Elucidarius posted:Well, just finished the Spider-Verse kind of lame ending, I thought. What happened to his comic series? I really enjoyed it at the time. Is it the end for that version of the character?
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Feb 16, 2015 19:34
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Blockhouse posted:I feel it was not so much being diverse as it was DeConnick making her feelings on the Carol/Peter relationship known and trying to kill it asap Yeah, god forbid anything interesting happen in Captain Marvel.
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Feb 16, 2015 19:34
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Shageletic posted:What happened to his comic series? I really enjoyed it at the time. Is it the end for that version of the character? With two flops under his belt Kaine is kaput. Lurdiak posted:Yeah, god forbid anything interesting happen in Captain Marvel. It might have been more of her editorial interference or she just needed to make room for Rhody's collective two romantic appearances.
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Feb 16, 2015 19:37
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Shageletic posted:What happened to his comic series? I really enjoyed it at the time. Is it the end for that version of the character? Scarlet Spider was cancelled aaaaaaaages ago. They threw him into a reboot of New Warriors to try and keep him around but that lasted even less. There's no way he's totally dead though, he's already come back from the dead from being turned into a giant spider thing.
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Feb 16, 2015 19:37
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Supposedly it's going to be an ongoing, so like Kanie or something she'll move move to another city along with Miles and stuff.Lurdiak posted:Yeah, god forbid anything interesting happen in Captain Marvel. What happened? Why are Rhodes/Carol a thing even when the writer doesn't seem interested in writing Rhodes. NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Feb 16, 2015 |
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Feb 16, 2015 19:40
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The thing that has hampered like 90% of her Captain Marvel run. ~editorial changes~
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Feb 16, 2015 19:58
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Speaking of Rhodey, didn't someone have a War Machine run a few years ago? It's fading in my memory as I type this... so forgettable.
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Feb 16, 2015 20:03
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Lurdiak posted:Speaking of Rhodey, didn't someone have a War Machine run a few years ago? It's fading in my memory as I type this... so forgettable. Yeah, but it was called Iron Man 2.0
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Feb 16, 2015 20:09
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Lurdiak posted:Speaking of Rhodey, didn't someone have a War Machine run a few years ago? It's fading in my memory as I type this... so forgettable. It was an Iron Patriot run, actually.
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Feb 16, 2015 20:09
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Lurdiak posted:forgettable. Yep that sounds like a war machine run alright.
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Feb 16, 2015 20:10
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Dacap posted:Yeah, but it was called Iron Man 2.0 Yvonmukluk posted:It was an Iron Patriot run, actually. You're both right. And I bought them both because I'm a sucker for War Machine and neither was ever anything but subpar. (Iron Man 2.0 was egregiously bad because when you're writing a story about a guy called War Machine, whose whole gimmick is "having a suit designed to wreck poo poo harder than Iron Man" the best story to write with him is not a mystery where the final boss ends up being nanomachines and no one really gets wrecked)
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Feb 16, 2015 21:54
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TwoPair posted:You're both right. And I bought them both because I'm a sucker for War Machine and neither was ever anything but subpar. (Iron Man 2.0 was egregiously bad because when you're writing a story about a guy called War Machine, whose whole gimmick is "having a suit designed to wreck poo poo harder than Iron Man" the best story to write with him is not a mystery where the final boss ends up being nanomachines and no one really gets wrecked) What about a story arc where War Machine is a literal cyborg who is constantly bombarded with images of war crimes being committed to him 24/7 and those make him want to fly around and end all wars? Have him fight Ultimo, who can only be defeated by having Norman Osborn defeat him by showing that even he isn't 100% pure evil?
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Feb 16, 2015 22:49
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Waterhaul posted:The thing that has hampered like 90% of her Captain Marvel run. ~editorial changes~ Every single time it seems like that book is gaining steam something happens and it totally changes direction. And then it putters along, finally starts to gain traction, and bam, another complete direction change. This second volume has at least been a bit more stable.
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Feb 17, 2015 04:31
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I think the difference between Captain and Ms Marvel is that Marvel Comics, and Marvel Studios/Entertainment both desperately want, even NEED the former to succeed, so they micromanage and focus test and try to broaden appeal for it at every turn, whereas Ms Marvel was kind of a happy accident that they're cool with.
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Or it could be that DeConnick is just kind of a middling writer since she has yet to do anything that's at all outstanding in or outside of Marvel
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