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that was a pretty controversial piece of text with some of our community, but of course jwz gave no fucks
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Subjunctive posted:that was a pretty controversial piece of text with some of our community, but of course jwz gave no fucks a. were people actually bothered by it? b. that was jwz? he's cool 
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yeah, people thought we were mocking the bible and so forth. jwz is a pretty fun guy; I don't recommend drinking with him unless you have a spotter. actually, that content might have been terry, now that I think about it
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Mr Dog posted:https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2015-February/054580.html it came up in the security thread yesterday - it's only if you're tracking -current, which means you're deliberately mucking around with a testing version. No one runs -current in production.
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Broken Machine posted:it came up in the security thread yesterday - it's only if you're tracking -current, which means you're deliberately mucking around with a testing version. No one runs -current in production. More like no one runs FreeBSD in production lol
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pram posted:More like no one runs FreeBSD in production lol right; just netflix, dyndns, people with taste
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Broken Machine posted:it came up in the security thread yesterday - it's only if you're tracking -current, which means you're deliberately mucking around with a testing version. No one runs -current in production. curses! foiled again!  (I wonder if somebody has ever been the target of a witch hunt for introducing a bug with major security implications like that)
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also yeah networking is the one thing BSD does well, apparently the FreeBSD network stack kicks the poo poo out of the Linux one performance-wise, to the point where Facebook recently posted a job ad saying "yo we'll pay you beaucoup money if you can make this suck a lil less". Linus (or some core networking maintaner) has an ideological stance against TCP Offload Engines, so maybe that has something to do with it. Then again, apparently TCP/IP via 127.0.0.1 is faster than UNIX domain sockets on Linux.
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How would that last thing even be possible
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Why would you send tcp over a socket
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Broken Machine posted:right; just netflix, dyndns, people with taste Sorry , netcraft backs me up here dude
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Mr Dog posted:also yeah networking is the one thing BSD does well, apparently the FreeBSD network stack kicks the poo poo out of the Linux one performance-wise, to the point where Facebook recently posted a job ad saying "yo we'll pay you beaucoup money if you can make this suck a lil less". Linus (or some core networking maintaner) has an ideological stance against TCP Offload Engines, so maybe that has something to do with it. Neither of these is really true, BSD's better performance comes from monolithic mbufs where Linux split into separate headers and data buffers so that sendfile, splice, etc calls become scalable. All the super computer people use Linux and not BSD and constantly push driver tweaks. Use a Solarflare card then it doesn't matter at all, completely skip the kernel for all TCP/IP.
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Mr Dog posted:also yeah networking is the one thing BSD does well, apparently the FreeBSD network stack kicks the poo poo out of the Linux one performance-wise, to the point where Facebook recently posted a job ad saying "yo we'll pay you beaucoup money if you can make this suck a lil less". Linus (or some core networking maintaner) has an ideological stance against TCP Offload Engines, so maybe that has something to do with it. At what data size? I can imagine the buffering over lo being faster than datagrams for 1k of data, but nothing above.
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MrMoo posted:Neither of these is really true, BSD's better performance comes from monolithic mbufs where Linux split into separate headers and data buffers so that sendfile, splice, etc calls become scalable. All the super computer people use Linux and not BSD and constantly push driver tweaks. I've looked at splice+vmsplice for a while and I'm really having trouble figuring out what it's good for. It seems like a really tortured way of turning an arbitrary run of userland-allocated pages into a kernel IO bufer (vmsplice) and then shunting that IO buffer someplace like a socket (splice). Except that the footnotes say "lol nm this will literally never work in a zero-copy way" so why even bother. I mean, I guess it might work if you literally assembled everything including an Ethernet frame in userspace and somehow got exclusive access to a NIC and turned it into a raw Ethernet socket that you could poo poo packets out of but I don't think anybody has implemented that I guess modern NICs have scatter/gather DMA so that headers and payload can be assembled separately without compromising zero-copy but I'm not aware of any shipping code successfully making use of this.
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do TOEs actually help real world loads? I'd understood that they didn't. (they didn't for my application load a decade ago, but  )can you not use splice stuff with remote DMA fabric like quadrics (and infiniband?)?
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Mr Dog posted:I guess modern NICs have scatter/gather DMA so that headers and payload can be assembled separately without compromising zero-copy but I'm not aware of any shipping code successfully making use of this. Majority of web servers do, the caveat is that each scatter buffer needs to be of a minimum size for actual gains. I cannot recall if it is 9 or 128KB, I know at least one of the server implementations (I think Cherokee) completely fucks this up.
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just kidding guys!! of course i play video games at work. xfce has vsync of course its fuckign 2015
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2015 year of BSD on the game console
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well that actually already happens as the ps4 is BSD
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Celexi posted:well that actually already happens as the ps4 is BSD 
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Feb 20, 2015 02:42
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1995 year of BSOD on the desktop
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Soricidus posted:1995 year of BSOD on the desktop ruby idiot railed posted:one thing i noticed is that linux on the desktop users tend to pretend the rest of the computing world is still in 1995 just so they can feel better about their bad choices
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it's so true but 1995 was such a good year ...
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Welp, I've decided that linux on the desktop isn't SO bad, so long as you install chrome and spotify and don't have to actually do anything other than watching netflix and writting python scripts in gvim. Installed steam, then installed Rogue Legacy and then try to launch and and el oh el is crashed the whole machine. but still with the right themes and some linux CJ is about 80% of a my mac with chrome  that and Office 365 makes linux tolerable
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you can rename yourself in chrome so you dont have to censor screenshots
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kalstrams posted:you can rename yourself in chrome so you dont have to censor screenshots meh, it was easier to delete a little square for a poo poo screenshot than to go through that hassle.
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:Welp, I've decided that linux on the desktop isn't SO bad, so long as you install chrome and spotify and don't have to actually do anything other than watching netflix and writting python scripts in gvim. im the && scrote
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gvim, lol
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:Welp, I've decided that linux on the desktop isn't SO bad, so long as you install chrome and spotify and don't have to actually do anything other than watching netflix and writting python scripts in gvim. 
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I think you will find that numix is the least offensive thing about Linux. pissssssssssssssssssssss
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ZShakespeare posted:I think you will find that numix is the least offensive thing about Linux. except it's a theme for gnome3, a thing for babbies that don't know how to use a real window manager.
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There Will Be Penalty posted:except it's a theme for gnome3, a thing for babbies that don't know how to use a real window manager. if you're going to subject yourself to X-Windows, tvtwm is the one true window manager
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eschaton posted:if you're going to subject yourself to X-Windows, tvtwm is the one true window manager what's the diff between tvtwm and vtwm? i used vtwm for a while, i even contributed a small chunk of code to it back in the mid-1990s, that's probably still there to this day. 
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There Will Be Penalty posted:except it's a theme for gnome3, a thing for babbies that don't know how to use a real window manager. look @ this scrub that can't google "numix kde" to get the least worst theme on the least worst desktop environment.
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There Will Be Penalty posted:what's the diff between tvtwm and vtwm? I think tvtwm and vtwm are just different implementations of a large virtual desktop atop twm. tvtwm is just what a lot of us at CMU used. either way, dehumanize yourself and face to Xlib
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ZShakespeare posted:look @ this scrub that can't google "numix kde" to get the least worst theme on the least worst desktop environment. this looks a lot like gnome. at least the file browser? wtf?
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