gradenko_2000 posted:

I was thinking about the variant rule in the DMG for replacing the proficiency bonus with proficiency dice: roll a d4 instead of adding +2 to your roll, roll a d6 instead of a +3, a d8 instead of a +4, a d10 instead of a +5 and a d12 instead of a +6.

And then since I just came from the D&D Retroclone thread, I was wondering if you could leverage the Deed Die mechanic from Dungeon Crawl Classics: if you roll to attack, and your proficiency die comes up on a certain value, say, 4 or higher, you get to perform a "combat maneuver". Or perhaps the free use of a class feature/ability. Or something.

PurpleXVI posted:

By this description it sounds like a great fix for some of the complaints I'm reading about the Champion(they only get to do one thing), by giving them some of the Battle Master's tricks. Hell, I think all Fighters, Rangers, Paladins, Rogues and Monks should have something analogous to maneuvers, with their archetype deciding their additional abilities, maybe some special maneuvers for their archetype only, and what sort of dice/how many dice they got to toss around.

Tunicate posted:

If you want to add that, why not stick it on the to-hit roll? That way there aren't a ton more dice.

So with a +2 proficency, roll a 19 or a 20 and you get your bonus thingy.
With +6, 15-20.

mastershakeman posted:

If a fighter has 2 attacks a round and wants to parry with one of them and called shot a leg with the other, fine. Want to try two shield bashes? Go nuts.

mastershakeman posted:

Once you start dealing with stamina you have to ask how the heck the guy in full plate just walked for 4 hours, and that leads to 'haha you've been surprise attacked and are not wearing your armor.'

mastershakeman posted:

Once you start dealing with stamina you have to ask how the heck the guy in full plate just walked for 4 hours, and that leads to 'haha you've been surprise attacked and are not wearing your armor.'

Kai Tave posted:

It's telling that almost every time someone published a supplement of "expanded martial options/rules" about half of them are essentially things that make martial characters' lives even harder (detailed stamina loss and encumbrance systems, critical miss tables, training times where there didn't used to be any before, now you can lose limbs/eyes instead of just your hitpoints, etc).

mastershakeman posted:

Once you start dealing with stamina you have to ask how the heck the guy in full plate just walked for 4 hours, and that leads to 'haha you've been surprise attacked and are not wearing your armor.'

Kadath posted:

Also every "realistic" take on heavy armor just has the effect of weakening melee classes even more while leaving spellcasters alone, essentially boosting them in power even further. Heavy armor isn't that powerful to begin with. Making it cost a million gold and require a custom smithy to fit it, or taking 13 hours to put on, or slowing walking speed, just makes fighting classes weaker for no reason. It also ignores the fact that the real deadly stuff (being charmed, exploded, teleported into the center of the earth, etc) doesnt even care about ac anyway, and spellcasters normally have better saves too.

Kai Tave posted:

In theory you could imagine that Martial Dice are supposed to be a sort of "stamina" mechanic (of course you could just as easily do that with 4E's exploits if you wanted) but the problem is A). the things that Martial Dice unlock for Fighters are generally underwhelming and B). the refresh rate on them is kind of garbage too.

Arcturas posted:

Ryuujin posted:

Well the Martial Damage Dice I referenced, from an earlier playtest, actually refreshed per TURN. So you would have them on your turn, and on the enemy's. Of course this did mean that you could basically spam your maneuvers, or just use them for the damage boost.

PurpleXVI posted:

Why the hell didn't they stick with the playtest?

ProfessorCirno posted:

Remember that at one point, the hardest thing to do in 5e, bar none, was climb a rope. You almost immediately enter Catching Your Mouse territory.

Gharbad the Weak posted:

catching mice.

Toph Bei Fong posted:

Less effort than Jason "Mouse Tied to My Hand" Buhlman, folks.

AlphaDog posted:

Example: "On a 1-10 scale, how satisfied are you with fighter ability choices?" with just some buttons to click and nowhere to say why you were unhappy (which could just as easily be "too many ability choices" or "not enough ability choices").

Kai Tave posted:

Holy poo poo.

Did you make that yourself? Where did this magnificent creation come from?

Kai Tave posted:

The best part of that sheet, besides all of it, is how it illustrates how lopsided the importance of the six classic stats are in this edition. Things like Dexterity and Intelligence play into all these skills and other factors...and then you have Strength and Constitution with like one, maybe two things attached to them.

Kai Tave posted:

The best part of that sheet, besides all of it, is how it illustrates how lopsided the importance of the six classic stats are in this edition. Things like Dexterity and Intelligence play into all these skills and other factors...and then you have Strength and Constitution with like one, maybe two things attached to them.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Still having to track cp, sp and gp separately is also so D&D it hurts.

DalaranJ posted:

What, no electrum?

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Defender

When you choose this archetype at 3rd level, you learn Counterattacks that are fueled by special dice called defender dice.

Call Out. You may spend an action to Call Out a target. That target now grants an Opportunity when it Disengages away from you or attacks another target. You may also spend a Swift Counterattack to target a Called-Out enemy when it moves away from you, even if it did not start adjacent to you. In situations where Call Out grants Opportunity on enemies outside your reach, you cannot or use Counterattack effects that effect the enemy's person unless the enemy is within your reach before they resolve.
You can use Call-Out again to change your Call-Out target. You may use Call-Out as a bonus action on your first turn of combat or any time you land an Opportunity Attack. Only one target may be Called Out at a time.
At level 11, you can Call Out two targets simultaneously and two targets may be Called Out at a time.

Defender Dice. You have four defender dice, which are d8s. In many ways, they are identical to the Superiority Dice of a Battle Master. However, if you have Battle Master superiority dice from another source, such as a feat, there are a few restrictions that come into play. Your defender dice cannot be spent on Battle Master maneuvers, but your Superiority dice can be spent on anything defender dice may be spent on. One defender die is regained at the start of each round, but Superiority dice can only be regained during a short or long rest.
You gain another defender die at 7th, 11th, and 15th levels.
At level 7, you regain two defender dice per round. At level 15, you regain 3.

Counterattacks. At level 3, you learn two Counterattacks of your choice, which are detailed under "Counterattacks" below. Counterattacks add effects to your Opportunity Attacks and Swift Counterattacks.
At level 11, you gain a third Counterattack. At level 15, you gain a fourth.

Other uses for Defender Dice. When you make an Opportunity Attack, you can spend a defender die to automatically succeed on the attack roll, add a Counterattack effect, or both. Any dice spent on an Opportunity Attack can be applied to the attack's damage if the attack lands. You must choose to automatically succeed on an attack roll before rolling, but you may wait until the Opportunity Attack succeeds to decide whether to apply a Counterattack.

Swift Counterattacks. Once your Reaction for the round has been expended, you can still use a Swift Counterattack when an enemy grants you an Opportunity. You may spend a defender die to interrupt the enemy's action as though you had landed an Opportunity Attack, spend a defender die to use a Counterattack effect, or both. You may not apply damage with the defender dice spent, but you may place a bounty.
If you spend a defender die to use a Counterattack effect, the Counterattack occurs after the enemy's action resolves unless you spend a die to interrupt it.
At level 15, as a Swift Counterattack, you may spend a defender die to make an Opportunity Attack if your Reaction is expended, with all the rolls and opportunities to spend defender dice that implies. Doing so costs the usual defender die, which is placed as a bounty. Defender dice spent on the Opportunity Attack itself apply extra damage as usual instead of placing a bounty.

Bounties. When you spend a defender die on a Swift Counterattack, place it as a bounty on the counterattack's target. The next player to damage the target can roll the die and add it to their damage, expending the bounty. You may only have one die worth of bounty active at one time, and each target may only have one die of bounty active each.
At level 7, you can have two dice of bounty active. At level 11, you may have 3 dice of bounty, with up to two dice on a single target. At level 15, you may have 4 dice of bounty active at a time.

Counterattacks

Intervene
Either before or after the Opportunity Attack, you may Disengage toward the target for free. If you are already adjacent to the target, you may Disengage to any other square adjacent to the target.
At level 7: You may choose to either Dash or Disengage toward the target for free. If you are already adjacent to the target, you may Disengage to any other square adjacent to the target.
At level 11: You may Dash toward the target for free. If you are already adjacent to the target, you may Dash into any other square adjacent to the target. This move does not provoke Opportunity Attacks.

If you choose to use Disengage or Dash before an Opportunity Attack, you must spend the defender die before the attack roll. You can use Intervene on an Opportunity to put an enemy within your reach, allowing you to make Opportunity Attacks and use other class features.

Bodyguard
The target must choose between including you as a target in one attack of their choice this turn, or taking Disadvantage on one attack of their choice this turn.
At level 7: Any attacks from the target this turn which do not include you as a target have Disadvantage.
At level 11: Any attacks from the target this turn which include targets other than you have Disadvantage.

If you execute Bodyguard as a Swift Counterattack, you may apply it before the enemy's action resolves.

Punt
You push the target one square. If the square they are being pushed to is not free, the target is knocked prone.
At level 7: You push the target half your strength modifier in squares, rounded up (at least 1). If the square they are being pushed to is not free, the target is knocked prone.
At level 11: You slide the target half your strength modifier in squares, rounded up (at least 1). If the square they are being slid to is not free, the target is knocked prone.

Grab
You pull the target toward you if they are in reach but not adjacent and end their movement for the turn.
At level 7: You pull the target toward you if they are in reach but not adjacent and automatically grapple them. If you are already engaged in a grapple, you cannot use Grab.
At level 11: You pull the target toward you if they are in reach but not adjacent and automatically grapple them. They are also restrained until the start of their next turn, or until you end the grapple. If you are already engaged in a grapple, you cannot use Grab.

mastershakeman posted:

Once you start dealing with stamina you have to ask how the heck the guy in full plate just walked for 4 hours, and that leads to 'haha you've been surprise attacked and are not wearing your armor.'

Moinkmaster posted:

gently caress electrum. Why is there a half-gold piece when the other 4 denominations are a decimal currency system?