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Short Penguin posted:I'd move on, the second is weirder. I enjoyed the video game fight scenes, but...it's not everyone's cup of tea. I liked both Nightwatch and Daywatch. The second one is played for comedy a lot more.
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K. Waste posted:Seriously, I was screen-grabbing stills the whole way through. I feel really bad that no matter what Paul Verhoeven did in his entire career making films in America, people still never loving caught the net. I'd honestly place Showgirls above RoboCop, and just below Starship Troopers in terms of his best American films. It's that good. (Context: Total Recall is unbeatable, basically. He should have just retired after that.) I would hate Troopers so much less if he hadn't used that title.
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I also like Showgirls the best out of his American stuff.
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Feb 25, 2015 02:29
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No way, Starship Troopers is a literally perfect film. I'm serious, there is absolutely nothing that could be done to improve on it.
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Feb 25, 2015 02:36
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Feb 25, 2015 02:38
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Hat Thoughts posted:What would you prefer Space Marines
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Feb 25, 2015 02:47
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Change the title. Why?
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Hat Thoughts posted:What would you prefer Garbage Poopers.
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Feb 25, 2015 02:48
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Because Robert A. Heinlein's book was just so good....
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Feb 25, 2015 02:49
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Unisex Showers and Translucent Green Violins: Dispatches from the Fascist Future
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K. Waste posted:Because Robert A. Heinlein's book was just so good.... Well, it is the only Heinlein story where the main character isn't an author self-insert who time travels and fucks his own mother. e: I kid, Job: A Comedy of Justice had no motherfucking and was actually pretty good
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precision posted:Well, it is the only Heinlein story where the main character isn't an author self-insert who time travels and fucks his own mother. Also any of his juveniles, Puppet Masters, Podkayne, Glory Road, Moon is a Harsh Mistress...etc. K. Waste posted:Because Robert A. Heinlein's book was just so good.... And yes it is. precision posted:Space Marines Perfect title.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Change the title. It's a good title because it uses some of the ideas of Heinlein's book, and mocks them for the fascism they are.
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Feb 25, 2015 03:11
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:I liked both Nightwatch and Daywatch. The second one is played for comedy a lot more. yeah, I definitely agree! My favorite part is when they switch bodies
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Feb 25, 2015 03:13
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Starship Troopers, Showgirls, Robocop, and Total Recall all own hard.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Starship Troopers, Showgirls, Robocop, and Total Recall all own hard. I agree with this. I need to check out Basic Instinct, which is also an American movie of his that's available on Netflix.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:I agree with this. I need to check out Basic Instinct, which is also an American movie of his that's available on Netflix. It's "OK" at best. Mostly boring.
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poo poo, I forgot about Basic Instinct. It's definitely not as good as Total Recall or Starship Troopers, but it's definitely slightly better than Showgirls. They're pretty much companion pieces, anyway. Written by the same dude, and even one of the set arrangements in Showgirls is a direct callback to the Church dance club scene in Instinct.
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K. Waste posted:poo poo, I forgot about Basic Instinct. It's definitely not as good as Total Recall or Starship Troopers, but it's definitely slightly better than Showgirls. No loving way. I haven't watched Basic Instinct since like, the 90s, but no loving way is it better than Showgirls. I will watch it again just so I can type a big effortpost proving how wrong this opinion is. 
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Starship Troopers, Showgirls, Robocop, and Total Recall all own hard. If you're a Verhoeven fan, definitely check out Flesh+Blood. Medieval action movie that came out the same year as Ladyhawke, and couldn't be a more different movie. Typical Verhoeven with plenty of violence, dark humor, and genre subversion. Rutger Hauer is great in it. You'll have to rent it through amazon prime though.
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You guys go a little overboard for Showgirls. It's well shot and campy but has no real dramatic tension, it's a goofy movie. I think Basic Instinct at least holds up as a heightened sex thriller, a satire of modern femme fatale tropes. I think it has sliiightly more aesthetic and cultural value.
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precision posted:No loving way. I haven't watched Basic Instinct since like, the 90s, but no loving way is it better than Showgirls. I will watch it again just so I can type a big effortpost proving how wrong this opinion is. Dude, Basic Instinct is indispensable Verhoeven. Cocoa Ninja posted:You guys go a little overboard for Showgirls. It's well shot and campy but has no real dramatic tension, it's a goofy movie. The films are thematically related, but the difference is that Basic Instinct essentially presents itself as a cheeky, but basically no-nonsense thriller that just happens to take place in the Hell of a misogynistic porn-junkie. (Paul Verhoeven has literally responded to criticisms about the plausibility of the film's plot by saying that Tramell is the Devil.) Showgirls is a completely different beast, presenting another story of a pornographic Hell, but from a sympathetic perspective that identifies with the exploited women. There's no dramatic tension because no matter what decisive actions their characters take, Verhoeven and Eszterhas make it clear that social mobility is all but impossible in a marketplace dominated by male sexual desires. The film's only explicit sex scene literally ends with the star flopping around in the pool like a fish. The camp and goofiness is there so that it's impossible to identify with the women only as appealing sex objects, and instead we're confronted with the uncomfortable humanity of people who are basically stock characters in an out-of-date, particularly well-shot sexploitation movie. Both films are about inverting paradigms of the male gaze. In Basic Instinct, the judgmental gaze of damnation Hitchcock is given to the woman-as-Devil, and dooms men. In Showgirls, we get a Russ Meyer movie a la Beyond the Valley of the Dolls but without the disingenuous moralizing at the end.
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The "failure" of Showgirls is that it doesn't work as a straightforward sexy, tantalizing movie. The brilliance of other Verhoeven movies like Robocop, Basic Instinct and Total Recall is that they are enjoyable on the surface pandering level while also being a parody of the genre in which they exist. I'm not convinced Showgirls is actually sexy or smutty enough to walk the fine line between his unique level of absurd silliness and indulgence. That doesn't necessarily make it a bad movie, but that's always been the reason I rank it so low among his works.
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K. Waste posted:Dude, Basic Instinct is indispensable Verhoeven. I don't know that you're wrong if you HAD to give a generous textual analysis, but I'm not convinced most of the intention wasn't titilation. I did not feel challenged by what's her names failure to advance in the "male dominated sex marketplace" because she uses no techniques of the western acting canon to convince me she's a real person with actual motivations. I think Elizabeth Berkley got screwed by Veherhoven, both in her career and real life.
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Cocoa Ninja posted:I don't know that you're wrong if you HAD to give a generous textual analysis, but I'm not convinced most of the intention wasn't titilation. The film's content doesn't preclude titillation, but you can contrast the dance sequences to, say, Santanico's tease in From Dusk till Dawn or the stripping in Abel Ferrara's Fear City and find that these differences aren't the result of Showgirls trying and failing to be primarily titillating, but of Verhoeven filming sexuality in much the same way that he depicts violence: with a constant eye for excess and conscious artifice, that which destroys the 'immersive' qualities of the gaze and shocks the viewer into realizing what they are actually watching. In From Dusk till Dawn, Santanico's performance is sexy as all get out because it is filmed that way - the camera constantly emphasizes Hayek's larger than life, 'more woman than woman' qualities, juxtaposing these with salacious images of dumb-founded men ogling her. But this titillation serves a narrative purpose, by contextualizing Santanico's vampiric powers in terms that are tangible and 'real' rather than remote and esoteric. Leave aside that Showgirls only features one hilariously un-arousing sex scene, to say nothing of an out-of-nowhere, cruel gang rape - the way Verhoeven and cinematographer Jost Vacano narrativize these sexual displays is not nearly the same. There are virtually no salacious cutaways to individuals gazing unless these are men who feature as overt antagonists within the film's plot, or else they are scenes like Nomi gazing in awe as Cristal emerges from the volcano, which, while connoting a certain level of erotic attraction, is more importantly a moment of inspiration. Otherwise, Verhoeven and Vacano film these sequences in ways that counter-intuitively exclude the frequently unseen audience of the Stardust, observing from angles and positions that emphasize the purely aesthetic qualities of this burlesque ballet rather than sexual desire. Or, they focus on specific interactions between characters (Cristal vs. Nomi), or sabotage, or close-ups on fallen performers crying in pain. None of this is particularly erotic, and it's actually harder to argue that it's supposed to be than it is to simply conclude they are not erotic. Now, compare the dance sequences of Showgirls to Magic Mike, another film that, while clearly featuring sexy and evidently talented dancers, is constantly satirizing the intangible, easily exploited artifice of the sexual ideals the performers embody. And Nomi's motivations are simple: She doesn't want to be a whore. K. Waste fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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There's a bunch of stuff expiring in March off of Netflix, what's must-see before it goes? http://wgntv.com/2015/02/24/whats-new-on-netflix-in-march/ Assume I've seen none of it.
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flatluigi posted:There's a bunch of stuff expiring in March off of Netflix, what's must-see before it goes? http://wgntv.com/2015/02/24/whats-new-on-netflix-in-march/ Anaconda (I'm being serious, it is fun) Arachnophobia, Desperado, Dumb and Dumber, The Graduate and probably Se7en. I enjoy a lot of other movies on that list but I wouldn't be too upset at missing any of them.
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flatluigi posted:There's a bunch of stuff expiring in March off of Netflix, what's must-see before it goes? http://wgntv.com/2015/02/24/whats-new-on-netflix-in-march/ Definitely watch Seven before it leaves. The Grey is a surprisingly good film, and is more existential drama than Taken with wolves, which is how it was marketed. If you like horror, Fright Night is a blast.
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flatluigi posted:There's a bunch of stuff expiring in March off of Netflix, what's must-see before it goes? http://wgntv.com/2015/02/24/whats-new-on-netflix-in-march/ Muppet Treasure Island is one of the better Muppet films (and the 1979 Muppet Movie of course).
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Desperado is an awesome movie and everyone should watch it before its gone.
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Is the Netflix-Cartoon Network deal over? Looks like all their stuff is leaving at the end of March, including stuff they don't even have yet like Regular Show S3 & 4 (?).
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flatluigi posted:There's a bunch of stuff expiring in March off of Netflix, what's must-see before it goes? http://wgntv.com/2015/02/24/whats-new-on-netflix-in-march/ Someone mentioned Cool Runnings is leaving soon, and I rewatched it last night . It's a fun Disney family movie that still holds up very well with John Candy playing the straight man coach. I haven't met anyone that dislikes this movie.
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Definitely watch Seven before it leaves. The Grey is a surprisingly good film, and is more existential drama than Taken with wolves, which is how it was marketed. If you like horror, Fright Night is a blast. Original or Remake? It's my opinion the original is the superior one. 
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Doctor Butts posted:Desperado is an awesome movie and everyone should watch it before its gone. Robert Rodriguez's Mariachi trilogy is great, also has these companion short movies (in the DVD extras  ) called 10 Minute Film School that give great insight into his process. They're all on youtube for a 90's blast from the past.
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Franchescanado posted:Someone mentioned Cool Runnings is leaving soon, and I rewatched it last night . It's a fun Disney family movie that still holds up very well with John Candy playing the straight man coach. I haven't met anyone that dislikes this movie. Same. It's campy, fun and cheesy but all runs together in a nice way.
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Short Penguin posted:Original or Remake? It's my opinion the original is the superior one. I haven't seen the the remake, so I only pass judgement on the original, which is a lot of fun. Is the remake even on streaming?
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red19fire posted:Robert Rodriguez's Mariachi trilogy is great, also has these companion short movies (in the DVD extras His cooking schools are better.
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morestuff posted:His cooking schools are better. I've been trying to make puerco pibil forever but I can't find banana leaves in my area.
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morestuff posted:His cooking schools are better. Pretty much. He should stick to what he's good at.
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