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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Same. I watched a lot of this kind of stuff when I was jobless/depressed but even then I never really understood the people that were obsessive fans. Sorry in advance but I am going to break my Lurking for this. I was too much into internet critics a few years back, it did phase out over the years to one guy I follow and even lately I was started to phase out of him. In retrospect I should have learn the piano or paint. And I will like to apologize to this thread for making GBS threads it up every week, I was wrong for any attack to the members on this forum, and hope to have forgiveness one day.
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Mraagvpeine posted:Does that apply to the people who say that Let It Go is a metaphor for coming out? I haven't seen Frozen but if they can articulate why in a plausible manner then yes. If not, it's more arguably a misreading. The idea is that films mean different things to different people, but they do so for a reason, and it's cool to discuss that. There's never a single canonical reading, even with the bible, a text that in some editions actively comes with notes to show which parts are open to interpretation or different translations or ideas of what moral you could take from them. Truth emerges only from communication with the multitude.
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Feb 25, 2015 19:35
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Hbomb, what you're going on seems to be more of a Tolkien 'applicability versus allegory' thing, is that what you're going for? Obviously it's not a 1-to-1 perfect match but it seems to fit better than auteur theory in this case. That said, I think both sides have merit but that's not really relevant to the conversation, just an opinion.
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Feb 25, 2015 19:46
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I don't think there's that much of a difference between applicability and allegory. Tolkien's all 'I think people should get from my work that which resonates in it for them', but you know what resonates with a lot of people? The second world war. His works have a lot of parallels with it and I find it hard to believe it didn't influence his own writing. Art never merely retells something in allegory, by presenting it in a new way it changes everything. He had problems with C.S. Lewis' use of clear allegories in his writing but missed that readers have the ability to re-interpret the work and the problematics it presents, or the way Lewis remixed it himself even in terms of literal plot. Jesus Christ kills a lady by crushing/ripping her to death. Like wow that's just like the time Jesus ________ While I wouldn't go as far as to say Tolkien was full of poo poo and also his books suck and he smells, his writing and ideas don't do all that much for me. The six Jackson films do really interesting things with these notions of objectivity versus subjectivity in storytelling, and incorporate a lot of what I don't like about the books into the narrative itself in a really cool way. Like the LOTR and Hobbit books were 'written' in the diegesis of the plot, but how can we trust the people who wrote it? Meanwhile Jackson's version of The Hobbit features Gandalf happily espousing about the usefulness of propaganda and battles feature impossible shifting geometry that seems to alter between shots, all taking place in a frame story where Bilbo is telling Frodo 'the whole truth'.
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Feb 25, 2015 20:39
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Speaking of hobbits I really like the animated version of The Hobbit. It's entertaining as hell, looks great, tells most of the story in a little over an hour and manages to get across some of the themes from the book. I even like the folksy music so many people complain about.
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Feb 25, 2015 22:12
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Dune is one of those movies I really enjoy even though it's really bad. The only thing I really hate about it is the fight between Paul and Sting. It's my favorite book series (well, 1-4, anyway), so you can imagine why I find it so distasteful.
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Feb 25, 2015 22:19
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Puppy Time posted:I just like dorky nerds overanalyzing things.  But same here basically. Bored downtime or background noise when I'm reading.
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Feb 25, 2015 23:23
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Cyron posted:Sorry in advance but I am going to break my Lurking for this. come on now, you didn't even make 23 hours. Mraagvpeine posted:I'm not saying there is a negative, I was just trying to give an example. given that the thing it was definitely, intentionally a metaphor for (discarding societal expectations in order to become the person you want to be/already are) is basically the same thing as coming out, I'd say that's definitely a valid reading, and there's no way it wasn't in the back of at least some of the team's mind while they were making the movie.
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Feb 25, 2015 23:26
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What is it with friends who make dorky critique or video game shows together on the internet eventually being torn apart? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrhmaL7RlzU The humor in this silly show always came from Greg's silly nonsense to counter mister serious completionist guy, with lots of running gags and in-jokes over the years. Abruptly going to a format of just the straight man talking and no partners....I don't see this going a direction I like.
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Feb 25, 2015 23:59
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senae posted:given that the thing it was definitely, intentionally a metaphor for (discarding societal expectations in order to become the person you want to be/already are) is basically the same thing as coming out, I'd say that's definitely a valid reading, and there's no way it wasn't in the back of at least some of the team's mind while they were making the movie. Let It Go posted:Couldn't keep it in, heaven knows I tried! I WONDER HOW ANYONE COULD READ A COMING OUT MEANING FROM THIS 
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Feb 26, 2015 00:28
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Love is an open (closet) door!
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Feb 26, 2015 00:28
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That's why I like the Continue? guys so much. They're three guys who obviously crack each other up and have stuck together for years. It's probably helped by usually having one video a week that they rotate editing so there's not as much stress on one guy or drama regarding the business side of it. edit: poo poo, responding to cubs2084, fuckin phone
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Feb 26, 2015 00:31
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Yeah that's pretty gay Let's remember that the flamboyant villain characters in Disney films were made that way on purpose because of Walt's lovely Nazi politics but still are the most well-liked characters and people have wanted to be the transgressive 'bad guy' who rightfully hates the sacharine disney universe ever since. Holy poo poo I just realised I am basically trying to be Scar
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Feb 26, 2015 00:46
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Hbomberguy posted:\people have wanted to be the transgressive 'bad guy' who rightfully hates the sacharine disney universe ever since. Yeah maybe on DeviantArt. Since Brutalmoose got brought up a few pages ago I watched the Oregon Trail/Amazon Trail videos and oh my god these are hilarious. Between the talking clipart jaguar head and Oregon Trail's classic gently caress yous I laughed a lot.
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Feb 26, 2015 00:51
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Hbomberguy posted:Walt's lovely Nazi politics Nazi Supermen are our Superiors was satire, sheesh.
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Feb 26, 2015 01:08
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senae posted:come on now, you didn't even make 23 hours. Counter point, a lot of people on poo poo like tumblr reacted to the whole act of true love stuff between the sisters and instantly clicked 'oh my god, they're loving each other' so I don't trust their ability to understand themes or relationships.
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Feb 26, 2015 01:41
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Testekill posted:Counter point, a lot of people on poo poo like tumblr reacted to the whole act of true love stuff between the sisters and instantly clicked 'oh my god, they're loving each other' so I don't trust their ability to understand themes or relationships. How does that say anything about if it's a valid reading or not?
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Feb 26, 2015 01:47
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Testekill posted:Counter point, a lot of people on poo poo like tumblr reacted to the whole act of true love stuff between the sisters and instantly clicked 'oh my god, they're loving each other' so I don't trust their ability to understand themes or relationships. If there is one thing I have learned about fandom, it's that it doesn't matter WHAT the theme is, or even whether the characters have ever met or are in the same work: people will talk about them loving. The fact that people are doing porn of two characters isn't really a sign of anything beyond "I can vaguely come up with an excuse to have them do sex." Gross as this particular porn is.
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Feb 26, 2015 01:58
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To be frank that partly sort of came from there being so little media with lesbian relationships and the little part that got some sort of mainstream viewing getting the "Look, they are just good, good friends, good friends that live with eachother and just happen to be very helpful with eachother on bed and somehow want to get a house and a family together, did you people never go outside and had a buddy you cuddled with together nude for warmth" treatment. Ain't saying that's the impetus of a lotta smut there, but still.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:07
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Yeah, I totally understand the dearth of ladies-in-love media, I just rreeeeeeaaaalllly find incest stuff gross and offputting. (And I get kind of pissed at the movie's "love isn't just about romance" theme getting tossed aside.)
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Feb 26, 2015 02:13
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Whoolighams posted:That's why I like the Continue? guys so much. They're three guys who obviously crack each other up and have stuck together for years. It's probably helped by usually having one video a week that they rotate editing so there's not as much stress on one guy or drama regarding the business side of it. Yeah, it's not a set in stone law. The Smosh guys have been making ridiculous videos for like 7 years now. And they still seem to be having fun and making huge Youtube bank to boot. Still, it's a shame when something fun destroys friendship so often when success rolls in from it.
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Feb 26, 2015 04:47
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Hbomberguy posted:Yeah that's pretty gay
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Feb 26, 2015 05:45
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Yea people like Scar because he's a great villain, he revels in being a poo poo, has a catchy song, and looks neat and distinct. If the intent was to go 'lookit this gay HATE HIM' they really hosed up.
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Feb 26, 2015 06:04
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Don't know if it was mentioned in the recent shitstorm, but Jon Tron uploaded a video about barbie video games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml8gK3B3daE
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea people like Scar because he's a great villain, he revels in being a poo poo, has a catchy song, and looks neat and distinct. If the intent was to go 'lookit this gay HATE HIM' they really hosed up. I'm not normally one to play the intent game, but basically yes they did. in almost all early Disney films and some later ones it always seems obvious these characters are 'intended' to have part of their evilness be their banal form of evil. Scar doesn't have the moral fibre to rule and has to make deals with Hyenas, or something. It's Marxism or Socialism. His 'be prepared' song iirc has all kinds of lines about building a better society along those lines interspersed with them doing a Nazi march and poo poo. Disney's numerous literal propaganda films did roughly the same thing. But unfortunately they made him too compelling in his campness and willingness to smash the kingdom of god, the two coolest things ever. It remains morally correct to do what Scar does, only in the name of actually aligning with the weakest. What I kind of don't like about the movies that try to 'justify' the villains like that Maleficent movie where she's just sad about some guy or misunderstood is, I totally loved how the original characters are quite clearly motivated by a total hatred of the Disney universe and its dumb colourful crap. If the let it go lady is the villain then it might be a good movie I dunno. I'll watch it when the hype dies down so I don't have high expectations.
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I really want Spoony to review Big Trouble in Little China. He's said a ton of times it's his favorite movie ever and I pretty well love most of Carpenter's work and I'd adore if he devoted a month to the guy, going over his best and worst films.
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I've long accepted that most people disagree with me, but using "Let it Go" as an empowerment anthem struck me the wrong way because that's not how I interpreted the song in context at all. As a standalone song? Sure. In the context of the film, though, Elsa is the most alone and uncomfortable with herself she's ever been. It's abundantly clear that she's not really free, she panicked and unleashed her powers and ran away from her problems and the person who already cared about her. At the point Let it Go happens, she's basically having an unhealthy rebel streak, she's doing the equivalent of the kid with a very religious upbringing descending into drugs, booze, and partying once they hit college. Or even "yeah, well... I didn't like you anyway!" It's perfectly understandable because her parents done hosed up, but she's still being incredibly immature and passing it off as freedom. She's not comfortable with herself, and she does care what other people think, hence hiding and refusing to talk to visitors when they come. Not out of malice, or because she's above them, it's very obvious (and understandable) that the reason she won't talk is because she's still embarrassed and afraid. The song is an attempt to convince herself she's confident when she's not. The castle, the dress, the song, it's all her desperately trying to find something to cling to so she can be "free" and show that she "doesn't care" when really, all of it is just so she doesn't have to face Anna and the kingdom, or take responsibility for the accident. It's not until much later when she faces responsibility and reconciles with Anna that she really becomes comfortable with herself and her powers/identity. Not to mention the whole "Elsa's powers cause real harm" thing makes the whole gay or identity metaphor a bit rocky. I mean, certainly closeted people can be irritable due to stress, and lash out at those they care about due to that. They may even need to reconcile and apologize for harsh words they've said later. It's not like this has never happened, but painting the whole thing as a gay allegory is kind of awkward because of the very real, measurable fallout Elsa causes and needs to deal with. The entire movie's plot is predicated on the fact that Elsa's powers cause harm to a large number of people and she can't/won't fix it unless she can be at ease with herself, which really undermines most identity metaphors unless you want to postulate very unfortunate things. Tracula posted:I really want Spoony to review Big Trouble in Little China. He's said a ton of times it's his favorite movie ever and I pretty well love most of Carpenter's work and I'd adore if he devoted a month to the guy, going over his best and worst films. I honestly know nothing about that film, but it does have good ratings. Just from reading descriptions I can't tell what it is; or rather, I see that it's an action film, but I can't tell whether or not it's serious. I'm guessing it has to be pretty schlocky though, because Spoony makes fun of himself for liking it. I know in his Scott Pilgrim vlog thing he drew attention to the fact that Brad's favorite movie is Caligula while his is Big Trouble in Little China as a joke. Is it worth watching? E: New Ross' Game Dungeon soon! Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Feb 26, 2015 09:56
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Jsor posted:Is it worth watching? yes
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Does Spoony have enough to say about Carpenter's films to justify a series of videos? The person talking to the camera having things to say about the subject kinda pre-emptively determines whether an internet video is going to be any good. Big Trouble in Little China is maximum Carpenter, btw. Highly recommended.
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quakster posted:Does Spoony have enough to say about Carpenter's films to justify a series of videos? The person talking to the camera having things to say about the subject kinda pre-emptively determines whether an internet video is going to be any good. Spoony reviews lovely Red Brown/Bruno Matai films because he loves them ironically. He knows they're poo poo and that's why they're fun. He loves BTiLC completely unironically as well he should. Same with Highlander. And when your best funnymaking noises appear when you're pointing out how crummy something is they won't work when you're doing it on something genuinely good. This is why Linkara only does 'good' comics in the form or retrospectives and history lessons. You can't make with the funny with something good. It's also why James Rolfe completely ditched the AVGN character. He wanted to share great things and you can't do that when your persona is a 6 - year old in an adult body whose memorised the Viz Dictionary. BTW Linkara finished his covering on Rom: Spaceknight and it's great. (Also huge - wasn't expecting the two-parter) I think someone linked to it earlier and I can't right now because phone. It ee: Just remembered that Spoony did a great series of videos on the Ultima series that were extolling the games good points more often than not. They went all sorts of wrong when he got to the bad games, so kinda the complete opposite of all the crap I just wrote up there - but you could probably make an argument that these are two different things for several reasons (not least Spoony's own personal stake in the Ultima series) tl;dr I think Spoony's better suited to being an angry ranty man than a fawning fan boy. KayTee fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Feb 26, 2015 |
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Leal posted:Don't know if it was mentioned in the recent shitstorm, but Jon Tron uploaded a video about barbie video games That was a good one.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Yea people like Scar because he's a great villain, he revels in being a poo poo, has a catchy song, and looks neat and distinct. If the intent was to go 'lookit this gay HATE HIM' they really hosed up. I think the intent was more "lookit this Fop HATE HIM" but unfortunately for the movie society doesn't really consider "acting fabulous" and "aspiring above one's position" to be inherently wicked traits anymore. So take away his Fop qualities and he's practically Macbeth, which thoroughly upgrades him to "tragic hero" status.
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You guys are over looking the biggest failing in getting the audience not to like Scar. He was voiced by Jeremy Irons. How is the audience ever going to like Jonathan Taylor Thomas/Matthew Broderick over Jeremy Irons? At least when it was James Earl Jones vs Jeremy Irons there was some goddamn gravitas in the conflict.
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Jsor posted:I honestly know nothing about that film, but it does have good ratings. Just from reading descriptions I can't tell what it is; or rather, I see that it's an action film, but I can't tell whether or not it's serious. I'm guessing it has to be pretty schlocky though, because Spoony makes fun of himself for liking it. I know in his Scott Pilgrim vlog thing he drew attention to the fact that Brad's favorite movie is Caligula while his is Big Trouble in Little China as a joke. It's not exactly a serious action movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=592EiTD2Hgo
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KayTee posted:tl;dr I think Spoony's better suited to being an angry ranty man than a fawning fan boy.  I do think that it is possible to do fun, positive, informative videos about good/great/competent movies but it is hard to make them funny. Personally, I don't need humour to make me watch such a video (for example, I previously mentioned Oliver Harper as a fun reviewer who is essentially informative, his channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=user?ollyh82 ). But I think Spoony's schtick is humour or anger for reviews. For Counter Monkey he can add enthusiasm and pleasure, which is what makes the best of those videos (and the Reb Brown reviews) the high points of his post-meltdown output.Remember that he admitted in his interview with Doug Walker that the Ultima series was a real exception for him in that it was genuinely enthusiastic and analytic but was essentially a set-up for the final review so he could vent his hatred and anger against the final Ultima game. I found that last video unwatchable and it is really depressing that he only did those fun, cool informative videos at the start just so he could deliver a  slamdown on a game that was pretty poorly thought out and disappointing. tl;dr: Internet rage  the most profitable kind of rage.
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Honestly, the whole notion of a food chain as a body politic is really confused however you do it.
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Gyges posted:You guys are over looking the biggest failing in getting the audience not to like Scar. He was voiced by Jeremy Irons. How is the audience ever going to like Jonathan Taylor Thomas/Matthew Broderick over Jeremy Irons? At least when it was James Earl Jones vs Jeremy Irons there was some goddamn gravitas in the conflict. Jeremy Irons has since turned out to be kind of an rear end, I suppose.
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Leal posted:Don't know if it was mentioned in the recent shitstorm, but Jon Tron uploaded a video about barbie video games I don't care if this is the uncool thing to say, but I find JonTron to be absolutely hilarious in his solo videos. The man has a killer sense of comedic timing, probably just about the best of any internet critic.
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Hbomberguy posted:If the let it go lady is the villain then it might be a good movie I dunno. I'll watch it when the hype dies down so I don't have high expectations. DStecks posted:I don't care if this is the uncool thing to say, but I find JonTron to be absolutely hilarious in his solo videos. The man has a killer sense of comedic timing, probably just about the best of any internet critic.
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:
I think the problem for me is that Spoony's gotten to the point where it seems like he just seems miserable and not ANGRY. Compare say, Highlander 2 videos to the Wrestle Wrestle stuff recently. He just seems tired and miserable. You're totally right in that the final 2 Ultimate reviews (the two parter) were really bad. The 8 review was a perfect mix of being funny, informative and angry. 9 was just a nonstop barrage of the same 3 jokes over and over and over and that Betrayal thing was really annoying. I think Spoony works best when he's not trying so drat hard to be ANGRY REVIEWER MAN and just lets his annoyance with problems in the film or game work. This is an older review but I mentioned Brutal Moose before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Oo61X8LXI In this he looks at a really really weird budget PC game.
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