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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:shaggar says it's for pirates but there are lots of legit reasons to have lots of bandwidth: remote desktop, online backup like backblaze, file syncing like dropbox, etc so niche cases
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computer parts posted:so niche cases haha yeah online backup is such a niche case, no one needs to back up their files, hard drives last forever
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Feb 27, 2015 02:41
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maybe the reason online backup isn't more popular is because it takes weeks for the initial backup??????
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Feb 27, 2015 02:42
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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:haha yeah online backup is such a niche case, no one needs to back up their files, hard drives last forever yes, most people don't use backups at all
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Feb 27, 2015 02:42
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cremnob posted:this is a good way to ensure that no ISP ever invests in fiber yeah it's like one of those things the private sector will never do but is needed anyway
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Feb 27, 2015 02:47
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computer parts posted:yes, most people don't use backups at all oh, well if only a few people will use it, then we shouldn't do it why do we even run electricity out to rural areas
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Feb 27, 2015 02:49
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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:oh, well if only a few people will use it, then we shouldn't do it it's been previously established that no one itt cares about rural areas
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Feb 27, 2015 02:54
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hobbesmaster posted:mods rename thread to shaggar v fishmech
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Feb 27, 2015 02:55
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computer parts posted:it's been previously established that no one itt cares about rural areas certainly not the guy in maine that's for sure
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Feb 27, 2015 02:55
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cremnob posted:this is a good way to ensure that no ISP ever invests in fiber nevermind that they were literally paid more money than lots of companies earn in 5 years to do this by the government and just never did it Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Feb 27, 2015 |
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Feb 27, 2015 03:31
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Beeftweeter posted:nevermind that they were literally paid more money than lots of companies earn in 5 years to do this by the government and just never did it they ran the fiber to cell towers, fiber that's still being used ti handle 3g and even 4g to this day
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Feb 27, 2015 03:34
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Nintendo Kid posted:they ran the fiber to cell towers, fiber that's still being used ti handle 3g and even 4g to this day thats not what it was meant for
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Feb 27, 2015 03:35
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Beeftweeter posted:thats not what it was meant for it was meant for providing 200 kilobit data service to outlying areas. cell phones do that.
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Feb 27, 2015 03:38
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Nintendo Kid posted:it was meant for providing 200 kilobit data service to outlying areas. it doesnt matter, it specifically was not meant for that. you can say that they're equivalent but if you paid billions of dollars for a blue 900 ft tall samsung galaxy s8 (that is the standard size, do not ask about the plus model) and got a curved 850 ft red one you would probably be mad and ask for an exchange, then alao get mad when they ask for more money because they already built the thing you didnt ask for i tried so hard to avoid a car analogy that this post probably doesnt make any sense. oh well 
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Feb 27, 2015 03:45
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Beeftweeter posted:it doesnt matter, it specifically was not meant for that. you can say that they're equivalent but if you paid billions of dollars for a blue 900 ft tall samsung galaxy s8 (that is the standard size, do not ask about the plus model) and got a curved 850 ft red one you would probably be mad and ask for an exchange, then alao get mad when they ask for more money because they already built the thing you didnt ask for in this analogy you didn't actually specify the color or shape, and other people filled in that either of those would be sufficient
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Feb 27, 2015 03:48
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I don't know what you guys are even arguing about. My use case has been met by the internet since 2000. ssh and grainy low res porn pictures. we didn't need net neutering for that.
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Feb 27, 2015 03:50
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Beeftweeter posted:it doesnt matter, it specifically was not meant for that. you can say that they're equivalent but if you paid billions of dollars for a blue 900 ft tall samsung galaxy s8 (that is the standard size, do not ask about the plus model) and got a curved 850 ft red one you would probably be mad and ask for an exchange, then alao get mad when they ask for more money because they already built the thing you didnt ask for the thing you're not getting is that the fiber was in fact built, and the money given out was frankly given out with extremely loose terms and a very low level of service expected. the thing actually provided met the requirements, and the thing they were "supposed" to provide would still have already been unacceptably slow as wireline service very soon. (because do you seriously think they were required to provide fiver from the town nodes to the homes? no. it woulda been plain copper)
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Insanely fast, ubiquitous internet is clearly an inalienable human right.
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Feb 27, 2015 03:53
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emoji posted:Insanely fast, ubiquitous internet is clearly an inalienable human right. finland* agrees *for like 10mbit internet
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Wonder what the unkown unknown unintended consequences of this will be.
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computer parts posted:in this analogy you didn't actually specify the color or shape, and other people filled in that either of those would be sufficient im not even really paying attention to my own posts i decided to rewatch 
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Nintendo Kid posted:the thing you're not getting is that the fiber was in fact built, and the money given out was frankly given out with extremely loose terms and a very low level of service expected. incidentally thats their plan now with adsl2 or whatever its called. fiber to the node and then dsl the rest of the way its not like they would have kept everything at 200 kbit or whatever. when i got cable internet in 2002 or whatever it was only 5 mbit. at the address i lived at you can now get 150 mbit service over the same line
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computer parts posted:finland* agrees *10 megabit may be provided over high latency satellite Beeftweeter posted:incidentally thats their plan now with adsl2 or whatever its called. fiber to the node and then dsl the rest of the way you don't think the rural companies they'd have sold it off too wouldn't have raised speeds? hell there's places you can go now that did this exact stuff back then and they're still offering like 11.5 mbit at best and speaking of adsl2 it doesn't handle distance very well at all. and rural nodes are quite far away...
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Feb 27, 2015 03:58
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trying to read shaggar posts about utility regulation feels like shoving hot pokers into my eyes
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JewKiller 3000 posted:trying to read shaggar posts about utility regulation feels like shoving hot pokers into my eyes the post office should handle the internet and also be your local public bank/credit union
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Feb 27, 2015 04:51
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:the post office should handle the internet and also be your local public bank/credit union only if we can kill the whole pseudo-private corporation thing once and for all and start funding it with taxes again. else it's a one way ticket to privatization.
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Feb 27, 2015 04:55
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Nintendo Kid posted:*10 megabit may be provided over high latency satellite maybe, maybe not. where i live now i have a 50 mbit cable connection but when i looked at u-verse dsl as an alternative the best they could offer was 15 mbit for like $75/mo tbh title ii price controls would have been the tits because pricing is severely hosed in places with only one effective option (and here it seems like at&t doesnt even want to compete but judging by the number of 2WIRE aps i see around here they do just fine) also agreed with adsl2. i'm kinda glad because i dont know who i want to give money to less, comcast or at&t
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Feb 27, 2015 04:56
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Nintendo Kid posted:only if we can kill the whole pseudo-private corporation thing once and for all and start funding it with taxes again. if the political will existed to make the other two things happen this would be pretty easy
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Feb 27, 2015 05:23
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slogsdon posted:if the political will existed to make the other two things happen this would be pretty easy except that most people don't know that it's not funded by taxes
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Feb 27, 2015 13:29
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a fiber company tried to come to my town and comcast/at&t fought tooth and nail to get our commissioners to not let them build their network and lay cable and thankfully got told to get lost the fiber company now mostly covers the town and is still expanding, and everyone I know who lives in their coverage area has dropped comcast. It owns. Our campus can't run an open wifi network because AT&T bribed our state legislature to make it illegal for us to run one in 'competition' with theirs so we have to limit our network to students/staff/faculty in short gently caress the major isps and wireless providers this is great
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Feb 27, 2015 13:47
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computer parts posted:except that most people don't know that it's not funded by taxes in what way does this statement on the current state of politics contradict my statement about a hypothetical political reality that is a million miles away from our own
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Feb 27, 2015 14:33
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A Wheezy Steampunk posted:shaggar says it's for pirates but there are lots of legit reasons to have lots of bandwidth: remote desktop, online backup like backblaze, file syncing like dropbox, etc I was being serious--I could rebutt any of the things said in reply to me but that's not what I'm looking for. I haven't heard anyone say, and I'm being genuine here, anything more than soundbites or one-liners on any of the internet discussion on the costs. All regulations have a cost, sometimes it is worth it and sometimes it isn't. And I've never seen anyone who champions what just happened with the FCC acknowledge the potential downsides and weigh those against the perceived benefits (i.e. what we hope will happen). So I guess I'm just looking for a good serious reason because what I've heard so far doesn't seem fleshed out enough to be compelling to do something about it.
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Feb 27, 2015 15:08
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Hed posted:I was being serious lol
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Feb 27, 2015 15:17
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What Two Runaway Llamas Taught Us About Net Neutrality
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Feb 27, 2015 15:24
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does anyone have a good video that describes this in baby language because my facebook has been exploding and normally i'd tell people to just go read up on stuff themselves but a whole mountain of disinformation and paranoid conspiracy theories have popped up out of nowhere overnight so deliberately letting uninformed peeps loose in that is kind of irresponsible
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Feb 27, 2015 15:34
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Necc0 posted:does anyone have a good video that describes this in baby language because my facebook has been exploding and normally i'd tell people to just go read up on stuff themselves but a whole mountain of disinformation and paranoid conspiracy theories have popped up out of nowhere overnight so deliberately letting uninformed peeps loose in that is kind of irresponsible I like the EFF. It will probably be updated when they finish reading it
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Feb 27, 2015 15:41
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Oh, video lol. Are your friends illiterate?
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Feb 27, 2015 15:42
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Thanks, this plus the last paragraph is a good start.
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Feb 27, 2015 15:49
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nah i mean something that goes into what net neutrality actually is and the history of it as a concept from how & why it started, why it gained traction, and the legal battles that led us to where we are now
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a writeup would be fine but keep in mind i'm dealing with people who write poo poo like this:quote:Oh yes, I know Comcast has been throttling Netflix. Absolutely! But I don't see this as a problem. Why? Because when Comcast slows Netflix, Netflix gets upset and says, "Hey, stop that." Comcast says, "Sure just give us more $$." Then they debate on what price is fair and threaten each other and eventually it works out. Same thing happened with Comcast and -- what was it -- CBS or some channel that carries football games and people were afraid they might miss football. BTW, that's why the Netflix bill jumped $2 a year ago; but it is still a deal and I am still willing to pay it. Comcast won't cut Netflix completely -- they have too many customers who would switch to another carrier if they did. Capitalism is what we need -- not socialism. The problem solved itself without government intervention. The thing is Obama and liberals hate the idea that things can work well without them touching it, so they force themselves into the situation every damned time and I am sick of it! So yeah muppet babbies explain monopolies and the internet would be nice. It will preferably have lots of primary colors and a glockenspiel soundtrack
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