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Authentic You posted:This is an eloquent, fleshed-out reflection of my exact thoughts on the state of architecture these days, especially the aspects of these sorts of buildings being put up with utter lack of regard or respect for context or working harmoniously with the existing environment. I just read this kickass book called How Buildings Learn that is an architect in the mid 1990's going over everything that happens to buildings after they are built, which kinds of buildings tend to last through the ages and become loved, and how much most modern architecture sucks when looked at from the perspective of "Can this adapt and grow to different uses over time?" Really good and engaging read with many pictures.
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I understand why some people dislike this but I love it
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sweetmercifulcrap posted:do Parisians still actually bitch about the Eiffel Tower? in classic fashion, Parisians bitched when it didn't immediately come down after the world fair, yet when they tried to legit take it down decades later parisians insisted it was an integral part of the city culture and it would be a crime to take it down. this also happened with the glass pyramid entrance to the louvre. basically if it's change, parisians hate it
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Feb 27, 2015 21:48
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Chinatown posted:"Goons don't like Brutalism: The Thread." Brutalism is a sometimes aesthetic.
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Libelous Slander posted:basically if it's change, parisians hate it do you think Parisians would oppose tearing down tour montparnasse?
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Feb 27, 2015 21:53
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netally posted:semi-brutalist. Mmmm yes, a little bit of concrete. Is that lady who injected cement into her rear end a brutalist structure too?
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Feb 27, 2015 21:54
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Grim Up North posted:do you think Parisians would oppose tearing down tour montparnasse? i'm not sure it's old enough. i think they were looking at taking the eiffel down in the 70s but ended up making extremely costly repairs and rennovations instead due to public backlash. that building basically being built in 1970 probably needs another 40 years before it's too old to fail
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Feb 27, 2015 21:58
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There were people protesting in boats around the Statue of Liberty back when it was put up in whatever tickety two. People just hating on Eifel I guess.
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Feb 27, 2015 22:00
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Total Meatlove posted:I understand why some people dislike this but I love it Lol that's just ridiculous enough to catch the eye E: what and where?
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Feb 27, 2015 22:08
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Darth123123 posted:Lol that's just ridiculous enough to catch the eye Antwerp Port Authority building by Zaha Hadid
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Feb 27, 2015 22:11
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i like that because it's literally BOAT HOUSE and has clear intentions, also shaping it the way a drydock would be shaped makes sense for a port terminal. that canadian museum with a broken graphics card poo poo bothers me because it just seems like the monkeycheese of architecture
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Feb 27, 2015 22:13
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it's good except that almost an entire side of the building is being blocked out by that support thing
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Authentic You posted:Wasn't the Eiffel Tower originally supposed to be a temporary structure for the World's Fair? How does he keep getting work? He's a loving hack. Is it just that pretentious morons think they're supposed to like his work and so claim to do so and order new terrible designs?
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Feb 27, 2015 22:48
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Three Olives posted:I've heard numerous, numerous people say they like it but god this thing is a turd: While looking for the Star Wars Jawa Sandcrawler to compare this to, I found this instead:  And while not ugly or a failure, once Lord of the Rings came out we started calling this Orthanc. 
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Grim Up North posted:I think the Zaha Hadid's Sky Soho, the first image in the article, looks mighty fine, and "works harmoniously with the existing environment" (soulless office buildings). Well, it certainly works better than the other Zaha Hadid thing the article talked about, and is not hideous and terrible like the crystal shard sticking out of the ROM. I'm not really a fan of Zaha Hadid's style at all, though - most of it looks like sets for music videos from the late 90's or giant versions of over-designed consumer electronics to me. I'd take Disney Concert Hall (which I actually think is pretty cool and well-placed, despite my general dislike of Frank Gehry and how expensive and ridiculous the construction process for his buildings are) over Hadid's vagina spaceships any day. Not all zany starchitect buildings are automatically bad and out of place, but so many of them are. Benagain posted:I just read this kickass book called How Buildings Learn that is an architect in the mid 1990's going over everything that happens to buildings after they are built, which kinds of buildings tend to last through the ages and become loved, and how much most modern architecture sucks when looked at from the perspective of "Can this adapt and grow to different uses over time?" Really good and engaging read with many pictures. That does sound fascinating. I'll definitely have to check it out. I went to school for industrial design, another field where we care a lot about timeless aesthetics and long-term functionality, and while I was there, they were building a new computer science building which was allegedly inspired by a loving Rubik's cube and bore no resemblance whatsoever to the rest of the campus aesthetic. It was this boxy trendy sort of style and was supposed to be all awesome and cool. We spent a whole class bitching up a storm with our professor one time about how shortsighted the design was and how it would look stupid and be dated ten years down the line while the original Beaux-Arts buildings would still look just as good and remain just as functional. I later ended up working in the new building once it was finished, and holy gently caress it was idiotic - shoddy workmanship (started leaking two years in), plumbing schematics made no sense (sucked for the plumbers trying to fix the drat leaks), interior layout loving sucked and wasted/squandered tons of space, landscaping was poorly designed (giant mudslide!), the materials are all aging poorly and quickly, and the much-hyped green roof quickly turned into a giant mound of five-foot weeds due to being inconvenient to access. The thing is six years old. Our token brutalist building, on the other hand? Hulking, ugly, rock solid, and brutally sensible and usable. I have a grudging respect for it, unlike the aforementioned new building, because ugly as it may be, it will no doubt remain useful and in good shape for a long time. And it's where everyone will hide when the apocalypse happens.
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Rotate the Antwerp Port Authority by 30 degrees and give it a crazy color scheme and it's monkeycheese architecture. Maybe it's just fatigue from seeing much worse in this thread but I think it looks cool while adding usable space.
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Authentic You posted:the much-hyped green roof quickly turned into a giant mound of five-foot weeds due to being inconvenient to access. The thing is six years old. That part sounds pretty good, IMO. A green roof that requires no maintenance and is full of local plants
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There's a few gems at my unversity, I'll have to take pictures next time I'm there.
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Chinatown posted:"Goons don't like Brutalism: The Thread." Another correct opinion from Chinatown.
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Chinatown posted:"Goons Bitching About How Goons Don't Like Brutalism: The Thread."
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ReidRansom posted:How does he keep getting work? He's a loving hack. Is it just that pretentious morons think they're supposed to like his work and so claim to do so and order new terrible designs?
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The Twinkie Czar posted:Look at this structure that "flagrantly disregard their settings, reducing architecture to mere superfluous spectacle, over-exaggerated and detached from reality". And after looking at the Eiffel Tower, check out Frank Gehry’s Fondation Louis Vuitton. They actually point put the Eiffel tower as another case of sculpture that happens to accommodate some practical use. Which is fair - it's a monument more than a useful building. edit: Found it. quote:Yet in time, and especially with the benefit of an inspired curatorial agenda, the Fondation promises to become a treasured part of Paris − like the Eiffel Tower. But like the latter, is it really architecture or, like the Bilbao Guggenheim, a species of usable sculpture? Architecture, once the encompassing mother of the arts, completed by sculpture and painting, and carrier of cultural significance and meaning, has become reduced to superfluous spectacle. Computer viking fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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Authentic You posted:Well, it certainly works better than the other Zaha Hadid thing the article talked about, and is not hideous and terrible like the crystal shard sticking out of the ROM. I'm not really a fan of Zaha Hadid's style at all, though - most of it looks like sets for music videos from the late 90's or giant versions of over-designed consumer electronics to me. I'd take Disney Concert Hall (which I actually think is pretty cool and well-placed, despite my general dislike of Frank Gehry and how expensive and ridiculous the construction process for his buildings are) over Hadid's vagina spaceships any day. I read all of this. So the building is pretty y/n
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ReidRansom posted:How does he keep getting work? He's a loving hack. Is it just that pretentious morons think they're supposed to like his work and so claim to do so and order new terrible designs? yes it's fine if it's an overpriced sculpture/painting that takes up a few square meters at most, but people have to actually work and/or live in star architect turds i mean buildings don't have to be beep boop efficient concrete blocks but form shouldn't interfere with function
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Man, I remember getting sent out to the hall in middle school because I made an "aggies" joke when that happened. I don't even like football, I just thought being from austin I should make fun of those dumb hicks, ya know. Plus getting to miss class isn't a punishment in middle school.
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The Mongolian Government Palace manages to look interesting both before and after it's 2005 renovation.    Bonus Chinese and North Korea Government buildings.        
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Can someone post the ideal government federal building? Tia
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Total Meatlove posted:I understand why some people dislike this but I love it All I can see is 
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Darth123123 posted:Can someone post the ideal government federal building? Tia 
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Darth123123 posted:YLLS fashionistas. Do tell  Authentic You posted:Wasn't the Eiffel Tower originally supposed to be a temporary structure for the World's Fair? The Eisenhower Memorial is pretty reprehensible, but those condo buildings are some of the least offensive things he's ever done. I have a love/hate thing for his work, and starchitecture n general. I think there is a very important place for people to explore new frontiers in design, but feel passionately that it a disservice to your clients if your ridiculous forms are so unconventional to construct that they are not watertight or have atrocious energy performance. This problem is perpetuated by the trend-based cycles of the architectural world where the shock of the new is important, schedules are short and there typically is an adversarial relationship with the general contractors building their projects. The industry is also becoming increasingly specialized and large building projects require huge consultant teams to process thousands of drawings to be read by multitudes of project engineers and subcontractors. Mistakes inevitably happen and costs can seriously escalate and end up radically changing a project, even when good people do great work. Sometimes though incredible buildings can be catalysts that revitalize an area, leading to more investment that can transform the entire city into something better than it was. But sometimes it doesn't. There are constellations of people and pressures that ultimately shape these things, and the results are hard to predict. Tldr: 
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Bavarian state chancellery: The two wings of the building were destroyed during WWII and then rebuilt in a modern style. The building was the Bavarian army museum originally. The statue in front of it is part of the Bavarian Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Lucy Heartfilia fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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DemonDarkhorse posted:While looking for the Star Wars Jawa Sandcrawler to compare this to, I found this instead:
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Bavarian state chancellery: Reminds me of the Palmenhaus ("palm tree house") in Vienna.  Ok maybe not really but I'd like to think the chancellery is filled with palm trees, weird flowers, and butterflies.
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There's a new Guggenheim museum under planning in Helsinki, and here are the design competition finalists: THE CORRUGATED CARBOARD HOUSE  THE INKY-BLACK MONOLITH FROM OUTER SPACE  THE ICE CUBE  THE... what the hell is going on here? Seriously?  THE LIGHTHOUSE AND, ARE THOSE SUPPOSED TO RESEMBLE SAILS OR SOMETHING?  THE BRICK BEEHIVE  I'm personally kinda partial towards the black spaceship from a Moebius cartoon, the rest just make me mad that I eventually might have to look at them every goddamn time I pass by. (Except for the abstract conceptionalist one - is it supposed to be some weird theoretical treatise on use of communal space?)
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I like the ice cube
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0haiThere posted:Maybe old Greek/Roman buildings were originally painted, but their colors faded over the years. Like how they used to paint their statues. Those colors are the base coats and primers. That would be like saying all canvas paintings would look like Gesso. We have no clue what they really looked like, but I'd bet '100% realistic'.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Bavarian state chancellery: i actually liked this one when i saw it irl, but i was definitely a little surprised to walk under a park and see a dead nazi statue in it
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QUEEN CAUCUS posted:
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akasnowmaaan posted:Those colors are the base coats and primers. That would be like saying all canvas paintings would look like Gesso. Yeah, he probably at least went over the whole thing with Nuln Oil
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