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Coohoolin posted:Hmm yes party politics is the be-all and end-all of socialism. Jesus. menshevik
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Mar 2, 2015 02:19
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Extreme0 posted:What's the point of having the whole "Funded by the UK government" to begin with? Do they think people are going to be more patriotic that it's funded by a bunch of cunts? Wonder if they'll make the forced community volunteering scroungerskiverneets wear uniforms with that on
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Mar 2, 2015 04:58
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Coohoolin posted:There is a but of a difference, I'd wager, between a Union Jack, which has stood for and represented vicious murder and oppression, and arguably genocide, and an EU flag. Actually it's a flag. It stands for whatever you want it to. Don't pretend this isn't a giant subjective game. Much like the game that says a population of a country must forever bare the sins of that country no matter the intervening time. Britain is no longer that murderous power house it was back then. The population, poorly educated and racist as they are, no longer sanction outright imperialism. Imperialism disguised as a valorous endever is another thing entirely and is a issue for any country that has a military capable of power projection. So no. I don't agree. The union Jack is the flag of my nation. It is an identifier and little else to me. I accept its arrangement of colours and pattern. I reject entirely any phantasmal corruptive force of evil. Because all those people who lead Britain on its genocidal charge are dead. You rail against ghosts. Which is fine but do not even begin to imply there is some higher moral imperative to do so.
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Mar 2, 2015 05:17
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Coohoolin posted:There is a but of a difference, I'd wager, between a Union Jack, which has stood for and represented vicious murder and oppression, and arguably genocide Which Scotland was a major enabler of.
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Mar 2, 2015 05:55
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Whenever I see your ghastly flag on things, I just think of this prick and remember that it's the flag of total cunts.
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Mar 2, 2015 09:17
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^^^ I'm sure I could find an equally cunty person draped in Saltires. It's not the flag that makes you a oval office, it's how you use it.Coohoolin posted:Hmm yes party politics is the be-all and end-all of socialism. Jesus. You are saying that preaching socialism while voting for a non-socialist party is "basic socialist theory". This is entirely consistent with your past conduct, but not with any socialist theory I ever heard - "all mouth and no trousers" being conspicuously absent from most discussions of historical inevitability.
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Mar 2, 2015 09:22
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Jedit posted:If basic socialist theory involves being a hollow shell lacking all conviction, you're welcome to it. *votes labour*
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Mar 2, 2015 09:25
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Jedit posted:^^^ I'm sure I could find an equally cunty person draped in Saltires. It's not the flag that makes you a oval office, it's how you use it. Yes precisely, which is why plastering it all over basic infrastructure projects is crass and stupidly blunt in the Scottish political context. You don't have to accept that it's some objectively offensive symbol of colonialism or genocide or whatever to accept this.
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Mar 2, 2015 09:29
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The context isn't Scotland - it's a UK wide initiative.
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Mar 2, 2015 09:30
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Pissflaps posted:The context isn't Scotland - it's a UK wide initiative. Does that include Northern Ireland? Even if something is being rolled out everywhere, the context depends on local circumstances. Don't you think 'recognising the UK taxpayer' is a bit redundant in the absence of a devolved administration anyway?
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Mar 2, 2015 09:37
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I haven't a clue if that includes Northern Ireland. And if you're talking about 'local context' then I suppose there are localities all over the UK that, for one reason or another, might not want such signs on public works. I think the whole idea is a bit redundant, but that's not what we're talking about, is it?
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Mar 2, 2015 09:58
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Alertrelic posted:Yes precisely, which is why plastering it all over basic infrastructure projects is crass and stupidly blunt in the Scottish political context. I don't know about crass or stupidly blunt, but it is a bit silly.
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Mar 2, 2015 10:55
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serious gaylord posted:Its a joke about Coohoolin because hes said he's going to be voting SNP but campaign for another political party. You are such a disappointment. Anyway, local polling in East Renfrewshire is showing Labour on 33% (-18), SNP on 31% (+22) and the Tories on 27% (-3). Only source for it is this article from Barrhead News though, so no idea who carried out the research.
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Mar 2, 2015 11:21
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Extreme0 posted:What's the point of having the whole "Funded by the UK government" to begin with? Do they think people are going to be more patriotic that it's funded by a bunch of cunts? Brand Britain.
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Mar 2, 2015 12:58
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Eh, maybe I'm being naive but I think it could be good from the perspective of showing just how much good public money can do. The public tends to be horribly misinformed about the nature of public spending (a worrying amount seem to think their taxes go entirely to Bulgarian 'scroungers' or something) so highlighting the infrastructure that public money pays for could have a small positive effect. Of course knowing this government that isn't going to be the intention, and the whole thing's already been sumbsuked in flagchat so ah wel.
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Mar 2, 2015 13:38
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It doesn't really, it's just putting a flag on things for the sake of it. It doesn't say anything meaningful about public money, unless there's a genuine belief somewhere that the government doesn't fund bridges or street lamps. It's just a sad appeal to the nationalist right.
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Mar 2, 2015 13:51
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Ah, see I don't have enough faith in the public at this point to assume that they understand the link between public money and infrastructre, particularly given the state of current discourse around the role of government, benefits etc. Though I can see how it can come across dfferently, particularly knowing who's behind it.
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Mar 2, 2015 14:01
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Nah, everyone's fully aware of the government funding public projects. It's just that, in right-leaning areas of England in particular, they don't care enough to fund them. That attitude becomes standard because of the way the electoral system's set up, where pandering to middle-england swing seats is the best way to win an election. It's why it's a union jack instead of just words, they love union jacks there. More than anything that matters, at least.
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Mar 2, 2015 15:01
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Jedit posted:^^^ I'm sure I could find an equally cunty person draped in Saltires. It's not the flag that makes you a oval office, it's how you use it. It's a simple application of the theoretical division between War of Position and War of Maneuvre, as posited by Gramsci, recognizing that counteracting the state apparatus by which the elites enact hegemony will require substantially different methods than counteracting the sociocultural apparatus by which hegemony is justified. Voting for the SNP helps guarantee a greatly diminished level of elite power within the apparatus of government. Promoting a socialist party helps spread the viability of socialist ideology and its presence among popular consciousness. I've explained all this already, Gramsci is basic basic poo poo.
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Mar 2, 2015 15:06
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Isn't East Renfrewshire full of middle-class snobs or am I mistaking it for another.
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Mar 2, 2015 15:20
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Coohoolin posted:Voting for the SNP helps guarantee a greatly diminished level of elite power within the apparatus of government. How?
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Mar 2, 2015 15:49
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Extreme0 posted:Isn't East Renfrewshire full of middle-class snobs or am I mistaking it for another. It was the safest Conservative seat in Scotland before they were routed in 1997 and had been a Unionist/Conservative seat since 1924, so it probably is the one you're thinking of.
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Mar 2, 2015 15:56
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Coohoolin posted:It's a simple application of the theoretical division between War of Position and War of Maneuvre, as posited by Gramsci, recognizing that counteracting the state apparatus by which the elites enact hegemony will require substantially different methods than counteracting the sociocultural apparatus by which hegemony is justified. Voting for the SNP helps guarantee a greatly diminished level of elite power within the apparatus of government. Promoting a socialist party helps spread the viability of socialist ideology and its presence among popular consciousness. I've explained all this already, Gramsci is basic basic poo poo. This would make sense if you were voting SNP to keep the Labour/Tories out, but its looking like a very very safe SNP seat. Which is why it doesn't make sense.
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Mar 2, 2015 17:21
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It's also never had a SSP candidate, and there's been no announcements about having one there. So voting for them would make even less sense.
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Mar 2, 2015 17:48
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Coohoolin posted:It's a simple application of the theoretical division between War of Position and War of Maneuvre, as posited by Gramsci, recognizing that counteracting the state apparatus by which the elites enact hegemony will require substantially different methods than counteracting the sociocultural apparatus by which hegemony is justified. Voting for the SNP helps guarantee a greatly diminished level of elite power within the apparatus of government. Promoting a socialist party helps spread the viability of socialist ideology and its presence among popular consciousness. I've explained all this already, Gramsci is basic basic poo poo. How are we getting on in the War of Position and the War of Maneuvre, are we winning?
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Mar 2, 2015 18:16
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No strictly a Scottish only story but I didn't realise that humanist weddings were only official in Scotland. https://humanism.org.uk/2014/12/14/number-10-intervenes-block-humanist-marriages/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ts-9924521.html
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Mar 2, 2015 18:52
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I'm voting SNP because from what I have heard of, alan brown is actually a preety decent guy. Better then Cathy Jamieson. jre posted:No strictly a Scottish only story but I didn't realise that humanist weddings were only official in Scotland. They have been legal for several years now.
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Mar 2, 2015 19:00
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Extreme0 posted:I'm voting SNP because from what I have heard of, alan brown is actually a preety decent guy. I know, I thought the same was true for the whole of the UK. Its seems such a bizarre move to block it. Good for the Scottish hospitality industry though  edit, Well I guess this was entirely predicable jre fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Mar 2, 2015 |
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Mar 2, 2015 19:05
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jre posted:Well I guess this was entirely predicable Good. Being very tempted to get some 'Dole Scum' T-Shirts made with that little logo on them.
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Mar 2, 2015 19:55
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EmptyVessel posted:Good. Being very tempted to get some 'Dole Scum' T-Shirts made with that little logo on them. I'm slightly curious how a Belgian water cannon was funded by the UK government. I'm the rev will explain it eventually.
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Mar 2, 2015 20:05
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^^^ Creeping imperialism/Illuminati innit?
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Mar 2, 2015 20:38
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Coohoolin posted:It's a simple application of the theoretical division between War of Position and War of Maneuvre, as posited by Gramsci, recognizing that counteracting the state apparatus by which the elites enact hegemony will require substantially different methods than counteracting the sociocultural apparatus by which hegemony is justified. Voting for the SNP helps guarantee a greatly diminished level of elite power within the apparatus of government. Promoting a socialist party helps spread the viability of socialist ideology and its presence among popular consciousness. I've explained all this already, Gramsci is basic basic poo poo. It appears you've read the words, but you haven't understood them. The purpose of the War of Position is to establish a counterculture with an inculcated belief in your ideology so that if and when the goal of disrupting the existing order is accomplished, your ideology appears to be the best and most viable alternative. You do not achieve this by marginalising that ideology to the point where you don't even have skin in the game any more. Basically, you're shadowboxing - you practice the moves, but without a real opponent you have no idea how those moves should be applied to achieve victory.
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Mar 2, 2015 20:49
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Alertrelic posted:Does that include Northern Ireland? If they put them up in Northern Ireland I would give it about 3 days before they get ripped down.
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Mar 2, 2015 21:04
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Vandalism and mischief is inevitable around Glasgow and Lanarkshire (except Larkhall).
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Mar 2, 2015 23:29
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kustomkarkommando posted:If they put them up in Northern Ireland I would give it about 3 days before they get ripped down. There would be instant rioting if they tried to put them up in nationalist areas. Then civil war would break out a few hours later when the loyalists would feel that the stickers in the disputed/interface areas were part of their centuries old special chosen people cultural heritage traditions and would begin round the clock vigils to protect them. Given how little understanding the current government seems to have about Northern Ireland and how few fucks they seem to give, it would not surprise me if they went ahead with this.
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Mar 3, 2015 00:44
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keep punching joe posted:Vandalism and mischief is inevitable around Glasgow and Lanarkshire (except Larkhall). This would apply regardless of flags
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Mar 3, 2015 01:53
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The news today. http://news.stv.tv/west-central/312440-teacher-who-told-pupil-i-shagged-your-maw-is-struck-off-register/
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Mar 3, 2015 14:38
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keep punching joe posted:The news today. I wonder what the kids would regularly say to him to get this reaction?
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Mar 3, 2015 14:43
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First thing I thought of... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scNLfr1EP08
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