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Jerusalem: May 20, 2004; Would you be my new best friends?

Muddy Burphy posted:

Gallows' new voice is great.

"Is Gallows.... is Gallows actually talking to anybody back there?"

# ? Mar 2, 2015 21:42

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# ? May 14, 2024 15:22

Sockser: Jun 28, 2007; This world only remembers the results!

Jerusalem posted:

"Is Gallows.... is Gallows actually talking to anybody back there?"

Hell yeah, man

# ? Mar 2, 2015 22:08

triplexpac: Mar 24, 2007; Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you

Wow this is the best Meltzer I've read in a while (from the latest archive issue, talking about Kevin Nash):

quote:

Nobody was exactly clear as to the actual story, as there were also reports it was thought to be a heart attack but actually a bad case of indigestion (which medically that mistake is not unusual to be made) causing massive chest pains, or massive chest pains from an anxiety attack suffered due to stress because his father-in-law has a serious health problem, which coincidentally enough is the exact same problem Undertaker had a few weeks ago which caused his blood pressure and heartbeat to go through the roof and caused him to miss a house show, and the health problem is said to be the same life-threatening health problem that Undertaker's father is undergoing.

Edit: I'll always love the HHH/Meltzer feud

quote:

Despite having one of the best heads of hair in the business, when it comes to production in the ring, Hunter Hearst Helmsley was overall an average wrestler in 1996 and an average wrestler in 1997.

Interesting issue for sure

triplexpac fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Mar 2, 2015

# ? Mar 2, 2015 22:31

oatgan: Jan 15, 2009

Crazy how far Triple H has fallen w/r/t hair

# ? Mar 2, 2015 23:10

algebra testes: Mar 5, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

gently caress that Starrcade review is nasty. :stare:

Also,

quote:

Shamrock beat Kama Mustafa with an ankle lock. After the match, The Rock came out and said that Shamrock would now have to face Faarooq next week. Faarooq looked majorly po'd about The Rock acting like he was in control and ordering him around. The Rock/Faarooq stuff has great chemistry.

This stuff is fun to watch because Rock is a charisma machine and it's great watching him week by week more and more turn into the Rock.

Also, Raw sold out two weeks in a row.

quote:

Raw opened with Austin saying he was going to be there a lot during the show.

Which is one way of putting it. Or as Stone Cold would put it...

Stone Cold posted:

Everyone in that drat locker room has got a pager. And everyone that looks at the pager sees the 316 so their rear end belongs to me. Steve Austin is going to do unto others before they do unto him, so set your little channels and sit your rear end back don't touch the dial because Steve Austin is gonna raise hell as only Steve Austin can raise hell and that's it. Get your rear end outta here.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 00:45

Spermgod: Jan 8, 2012; pink wasn't even a thing why is t#RXT REVOLUTION~!
and i'm so fucking excited for #SCOOPS#SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS

he knows..

Pretty ridiculous how easy Bryan went on that ROH main event when he has a aneurysm every time WWE does bad booking even when it's inconsequential midcard fluff. Double standards~

# ? Mar 3, 2015 00:58

triplexpac: Mar 24, 2007; Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you

Spermgod posted:

Pretty ridiculous how easy Bryan went on that ROH main event when he has a aneurysm every time WWE does bad booking even when it's inconsequential midcard fluff. Double standards~

Well, the difference is WWE does it on a very regular basis whereas ROH doesn't.

They didn't approve of the ROH booking by any means, but it didn't inspire an angry reaction because they don't have to watch ROH do it every single week over and over

# ? Mar 3, 2015 01:02

Spermgod: Jan 8, 2012; pink wasn't even a thing why is t#RXT REVOLUTION~!
and i'm so fucking excited for #SCOOPS#SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS

he knows..

Idk if you listened to the Bryan and Vinny show but it wasn't like he didn't like it but was willing to cut them some slack because it's out of character, he just didn't see a problem with it at all

# ? Mar 3, 2015 01:05

triplexpac: Mar 24, 2007; Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you

Spermgod posted:

Idk if you listened to the Bryan and Vinny show but it wasn't like he didn't like it but was willing to cut them some slack because it's out of character, he just didn't see a problem with it at all

Ohhh, I see. I just heard the show with Dave where they talked about it being overbooked.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 01:08

Jerusalem: May 20, 2004; Would you be my new best friends?

Haha, Bryan's dream is for his Death of WCW book to end up grossing more than what WCW was sold for, and apparently they're halfway there already.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 01:37

Grozz Nuy: Feb 21, 2008; Welcome to Moonside.

Wecomel to Soonmide.

Moonwel ot cosidme.

Which Observer Radio show has Dave talking about being at PWG, and do I need to subscribe to listen to it?

# ? Mar 3, 2015 01:49

Dunbar: Feb 21, 2003

a.) Last night's, and b.) Yes

But it's such a short segment it wouldn't be worth subscribing just for that. They barely talked about it for five minutes.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 01:52

Blasmeister: Jan 15, 2012; 2Time TRP Sack Race Champion

Not sure if this got mentioned yet, but the Fully Loaded 2000 episode of the Attitude Era podcast is up - the Commissioner Foley era is here! :neckbeard:

# ? Mar 3, 2015 01:53

rotinaj: Sep 5, 2008; Fun Shoe

Does anyone else happen to use Downcast? I bought the subscription to MLW Radio, but I can't get the friggin' thing to look up the members-only podcasts. And I'm lazy about actually trying to do it manually. I may have to do that, though.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 02:30

mariooncrack: Dec 27, 2008

rotinaj posted:

Does anyone else happen to use Downcast? I bought the subscription to MLW Radio, but I can't get the friggin' thing to look up the members-only podcasts. And I'm lazy about actually trying to do it manually. I may have to do that, though.

You have to use the MLW app for the premium podcasts.

EDIT: To be honest, the MLW app for Android and iOS doesn't suck

# ? Mar 3, 2015 02:46

Benne: Sep 2, 2011; STOP DOING HEROIN

Tonight's WOR has Mike instead of Bryan, so adjust your expectations accordingly

# ? Mar 3, 2015 09:40

Spermgod: Jan 8, 2012; pink wasn't even a thing why is t#RXT REVOLUTION~!
and i'm so fucking excited for #SCOOPS#SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS

he knows..

Benne posted:

Tonight's WOR has Mike instead of Bryan, so adjust your expectations accordingly

sempervive has been taken off recap duty so it's fine

# ? Mar 3, 2015 09:43

MassRafTer: May 26, 2001; BAEST MODE!!!

Bryan got his black belt.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 10:31

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

So Bill DeMott is a fat sack of poo poo.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 12:09

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Gonzo McFee posted:

So Bill DeMott is a fat sack of poo poo.

We knew that anyway, but based on what's come out the last few days...Yes. Yes he is.

But he can work a computer so it's all cool.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 13:20

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

Is today's WOR not showing up on the radio shows RSS for anyone else? I can't download it to my phone.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 13:30

ICHIBAHN: Feb 21, 2007; by Cyrano4747

There are now separate feeds for each show.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 13:37

Truther Vandross: Jun 17, 2008

ICHIBAHN posted:

There are now separate feeds for each show.

there always were. They just separated Observer Live from Observer Radio

# ? Mar 3, 2015 14:07

Orange Carlisle: Jul 14, 2007

DrVenkman posted:

We knew that anyway, but based on what's come out the last few days...Yes. Yes he is.

But he can work a computer so it's all cool.

What has come out in the last few days?

# ? Mar 3, 2015 14:18

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Mr. Carlisle posted:

What has come out in the last few days?

Hugh Morris is using racial and homophobic slurs with ironically gay abandon, getting guys injured by pushing them too hard, threatening people who say they'll go to HR and generally being a useless piece of poo poo.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 14:25

Jerusalem: May 20, 2004; Would you be my new best friends?

Also apparently his criticisms consist of telling them they did a move lovely, and when they ask for advice on how to improve it, he reiterates that the did the move really lovely.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 14:41

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Mr. Carlisle posted:

What has come out in the last few days?

Judas Devlin has spoken about it recently.

He also wrote this memo to WWE about it back in 2013.

quote:

Memo To: Canyon Ceman, Dorothy Brill, Jane Geddes
Memo FromAustin Matelson
Subject: Coach Demott

I am composing this memo today because I have had a number of serious concerns about the actions and words of head coach Bill Demott during my employment as talent for WWE developmental. Many of these actions I have tried to ignore or hope that they would cease but because they have now put me in a dangerous situation not only for my career but for my personal health and safety I feel the need to speak out to someone of a higher authority. In this memo I will provide details on a series of incidents which underlie my concerns.

I would like to request that this remain in strict confidence as I am afraid that if Coach Demott were to know I spoke out he would find ways to punish me for it. In fact the entire process of writing a letter to human resources has been called a �faggots� way of dealing with problems by Coach Demott.

Physical Injury Due to Imprudent Coaching: The action that has led me to finally speak out happened Thursday February, 28th following our house show. I had taken an awkward hit to my knee in a match and was being examined by Brian Duncan. This hit aggravated a previous injury, one that should never have happened, that I had sustained during a practice drill orchestrated by Coach Demott after practice had already been completed. An MRI revealed a partial tear of my PCL and a strain on a ligament in the back of my knee. I have been told that I can work through it but it may aggravate here and there. This injury can be enduring as many of the superstars on the main roster wrestle their whole careers with it.

I should never have had any issues with this knee but on that particular practice day, after a 3 hour morning session had �ended� at 11 AM, Demott put 280lbs Gary Jackson back in the ring at 11:30 and forced 8 of us to give him 10 takedowns each. After Gary had bumped 60 times in a matter of minutes, I entered the ring and was asked to give him 10 fireman takedowns. On the first one he collapsed from exhaustion while on my back, driving my knees into the mat where I sustained this injury.

The hit I took aggravated it and Coach Demott pulled trainer Brian Duncan and I into the training room and said without any knowledge of my actual injury, �This injury can�t keep flaring up. It doesn�t look good perception wise to us (the office) or for your career going forward.� This injury was treated after the match and I was cleared by Duncan at the time.

Based on Coach Demott�s statement I feel that I am in a position where I have to cover up any injuries I may have otherwise I will be punished or fired. The following week I was in severe discomfort but fearing repercussions I attempted to work through it. Coach Demott has not only instilled this fear in me but I have spoken to several other members of the roster who have been made to feel by Coach Demott that their current injuries are signs of weakness as men, and could potentially lead Coach Demott to advocate for their firing.

On two separate occasions Coach Demott forced me to perform dangerous moves without properly warming up. One incident followed my first evaluation where Canyon Ceman asked me to start working on my parkour and gymnastics moves. It was 7:30 am before practice and he saw me standing in the ring with Enzo Amore and said, �Do a takedown let go of him and do a back flip then go back to him.� The idea made no sense, I was not properly warmed up, and I nearly landed on my head on one attempt. Thesecond incident was before a live event he wanted Oliver Gray to test out his finisher on someone so he grabbed me and forced me to take a high bump on my neck without warming up. I had missed a week of practice because of a neck strain prior to this and Coach Demott was well aware of that.

I have also watched and participated in drills that were hazardous to our safety. He has made us do squats on the top rope including some students who had never been up that high in their careers. He made the beginners group perform monkey flips without a crash pad and the first six who participated landed on their heads and necks and were lucky not to have been seriously injured. The aforementioned drill in which Gary Jackson injured my knee also saw Memo Montenegro injury his neck and shoulder. He was on his 40th bump in 5 minutes and got dizzy before his 7th consecutive hip toss and landed on his head.

Unprofessional Work Environment: The issue of physical well-being is not my only concern. I am an educated individual who worked at Cal State Northridge with Professors and students. I know how one is suppose to conduct one's self in a professional sense. I also understand that this is a unique business and the lines on proper behavior may be a bit blurred. Yet there is no question that Coach Demott, on a daily basis,not only makes unprofessional choices in words and actions, choices that go against many policies of this company, but choices that have created a culture of fear and negativity in this system. Showing up each day for training is mentally agonizing because of the comments we are all forced to hear. He routinely makes fun of anyone sitting out because of injury and also makes rude comments about people�s names and personal lives and has established a hostile work environment through verbal assaults. To wit:

� Demott constantly refers to Oliver Gray as Joel Pedophile which personally enrages me because I used to help a Psychology Professor in Los Angeles do lectures for sexually abused children.
� When Dante Dash referred to his finishing move as the Davey boy, as it was utilized by the late Davey Smith who died tragically, Coach Demott makes the following comment, �The Davey Boy? What turning blue and dropping dead on the lawn?�
� Coach Demott told student Enzo Amore that he hopes he dies.
� Demott also told our entire morning class and Ricky Steamboat's class to kill themselves just days after we tolled the ring bell 10 times for the late Mike Graham a former star FCW wrestler, who committed suicide.
� Coach Demott routinely bullies Enzo verbally as well as physically. I have seen Enzo on several occasions be slapped in the face by Bill. During one practice he decided to show Enzo how doing a slam wrong could hurt someone, so he picked Enzo up and dropped him without warning directly on his head and neck. He then decided that each time a student slammed his 100lbs heavy bag with bad form that student had to slam one of his peers the same way. Demott found this drill amusing yet each student was put at serious injury risk.
� Demott has grabbed an injured David Harwood by his neck pulled him to the office door and verbally chastised him for standing by the ring during practice when he wasn't cleared, even though he was simply listening to a lecture by Ricky Steamboat.
� Demott has kicked Memo Montenegro in the groin and laughed as he crumbled into a heap. Memo being a Mexican immigrant to the United States has a heavy accent, which Coach Demott constantly criticizes and makes fun of.
� He routinely will attempt to bust students lip on the bottom rope when they stand to close to the ring. On several occasions he has punished students for mistakes in practice by making them bend forward putting their face near the ropes so that Coach Demott can bounce the rope off the bridge of their nose.
� He routinely calls Gary Jackson a fat tub of goo, tells Osmund Cherry who is of African descent, to go back to Africa and most recently has made derogatory remarks about sexual preferences to Brandon Traven.
� Coach Demott insinuated that Traven is gay and used the derogatory term "half a sissy" to make fun of him simply because he sat out practice and has had several injuries in the last couple months. This is not the first time he targeted Brandon either. In December I witnessed Coach Demott question Traven about a head injury in the trainer�s room. After Traven explained that a blow to the head in practice had made him dizzy Demott slapped him in the head and left the room.
� I witnessed a similar incident a few months ago when Alexander Russev was recovering from neck surgery. Coach Demott saw Russev wearing a NY Jets shirt at practice and not liking that sports team proceeded to physically grab Russev by the collar and rip the shirt off him. Russev was not cleared for any contact at that point and clearly showed physical pain after the incident. Following this incident a group of students were discussing how this sort of thing happened before with an injured Briley Pierce. Briley had a broken leg and Coach Demott kicked him in his medical boot. This happened before I was under contract but it nonetheless seems to fit a pattern of negligent and abusive behavior that I have observed with Coach Demott and is worth investigating further.
� According to Oliver Gray, he was once told that if he sat out practice to rest a very bad low back injury that CoachDemott would pull him from the NXT tapings and from attending the Royal Rumble, even though the trainer had requested that Oliver sit out just one practice.

I have been in this system under Coach Demott for 8 months now and was recently told that I am not improving at a rate that is acceptable. I have made concerted efforts in the past to practice more often and work on the parkour moves requested by Canyon Ceman. However Bill has routinely kicked me out of the building after practice including a day when WWE superstar Alex Riley asked me to work on some parkour moves with him. This along with his constant interrupting of practices just to put people down and make negative comments has all but killed any motivation I have to spend extra time around him.

It should be stated that I am not a vindictive person. I am open-minded and do not have a problem with off-color jokes or difficult practice drills. I was signed to this company after Steve Regal told me he saw tremendous improvement in my ring work between tryouts. I told Mr. Regal that I could only imagine how good I could become working 24/7 for this company. I have always been intrinsically motivated and will practice something until I perfect it. Yet I personally feel that coach Demott creates an environment that hinders my opportunities to improve. Coach Demott restricts our practices, instead opting for dangerous and unproductive drills, while constantly verbally assaulting our appearances, personalities, sexual preferences, injuries, and character it seems impossible for me to maximize my time in the ring. In fact even as recently as training on March 4th, guest trainer Lance Storm went out of his way to demonstrate moves to me that Coach Demott had kicked me out of the building for not doing correctly. When I asked him how to do them Coach Demott said, "That was poo poo Judas, get out of the building."

Is this the type of work environment that the WWE desires? When can we set up a time to discuss this matter?

In closing I would be remiss if I did not clarify to you that this is solely a problem with Bill Demott and not a problem with the fine coaching staff that has been assembled around him. For example, Ricky Steamboat has been a terrific help to me and always provides me with positive reinforcement and quality examples to learn from. Terry Taylor has gone out of his way to pull me aside and give me helpful advice. Billy Gunn has been an amazingly refreshing force bringing knowledge and enthusiasm that has been extremely beneficial to the system. The changes that have recently occurred in the WWE have been excellent and I am excited for the future plans of WWE Developmental. It is because of these positive attributes that I am expressing my concerns to you. I want to be a part of a solution to the problems that I have listed, one that will lead to future success for the developmental system.

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Orange Carlisle: Jul 14, 2007

Ah, thanks.

And yeah - didn't think he could seem like an even bigger piece of poo poo than he already did but here we are

# ? Mar 3, 2015 14:45

flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

It's crazy reading that now and actually being able to recognize some of the names like Briley, Rusev, and Enzo.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 14:51

ICHIBAHN: Feb 21, 2007; by Cyrano4747

No just post a link, naw?

# ? Mar 3, 2015 14:59

Eleanor Pwnsevelt: Dec 25, 2003

Ricardo Rodriguez said in his post-WWE shoot interview how developmental talent started getting injured left and right when DeMott was reappointed head trainer and that he was lovely and bad.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 15:00

fart blood: Sep 13, 2008; by VideoGames

I kinda wonder how guys like KENTA, Devitt, Steen, etc would react to Demott's actions if he tried that on them (assuming this is all true.)

# ? Mar 3, 2015 15:05

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

gently caress me, WWE's just leaving themselves wide open for lawsuits, isn't it?

Seems clear as day that DeMott is a terrible trainer and he's only there to see who's stupid enough to put up with his bullshit so they'll do as they're told when they get called up.

fart blood posted:

I kinda wonder how guys like KENTA, Devitt, Steen, etc would react to Demott's actions if he tried that on them (assuming this is all true.)

Key thing about being a bully is knowing who you can pull your poo poo with. He'll be nice as anything with them.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 15:10

hunnert car pileup: Oct 28, 2007; the first world was a mistake

Keep in mind there were also rumors floating around KENTA and Marufuji being bullies themselves when training dudes in NOAH.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 15:18

Germansimp: May 28, 2013

fart blood posted:

I kinda wonder how guys like KENTA, Devitt, Steen, etc would react to Demott's actions if he tried that on them (assuming this is all true.)

Well, Steen is a Zoo Enthusiast and they have quite a few gator parks in Orlando, I'm sure he could use one of his zoo visits to give the gators a nice 300-pound snack (or however fat DeMott is these days).

# ? Mar 3, 2015 15:19

triplexpac: Mar 24, 2007; Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you

Reading more of the Jan 5 1998 Observer issue this morning. The ECW review is hilarious, I'm shocked that WWE chose to not put this stuff on the Network.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 15:21

rovert: Jun 10, 2013

fart blood posted:

I kinda wonder how guys like KENTA, Devitt, Steen, etc would react to Demott's actions if he tried that on them (assuming this is all true.)

Firstly this memo is like 2 years old. Demott has had several talkings to since and is on thin ice now. Like I've been saying Regal has been gaining power while Demott's has decreased.

MetsFan's scoops were kind of correct about the NXT 5 being a clique with Triple H. Those guys do go over Bill's head. Demott was recently an agent for one of their matches on a live special, Bill laid out a dog poo poo match so one of them went to Triple H and Demott was told off. Bill was removed from being an agent in that match.

Gonzo McFee posted:

gently caress me, WWE's just leaving themselves wide open for lawsuits, isn't it?

I believe it was Devlin himself who recently sued WWE via an insurance company and won.

As we always talk about Richie Steamboat, James Bronson etc remain silent on what happened to them. The widely held thought is that they were paid off.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 15:22

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

They had Hugh Morris try and lay out a match for one of those four.

Jesus loving Christ.

Why do they need a drill Sargent breaking guys with gruelling workouts? Are those skills really going to be needed when they're wrestling a two minute tag match that ends in DQ on Raw?

# ? Mar 3, 2015 15:28

triplexpac: Mar 24, 2007; Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you

Gonzo McFee posted:

Why do they need a drill Sargent breaking guys with gruelling workouts? Are those skills really going to be needed when they're wrestling a two minute tag match that ends in DQ on Raw?

Again, not trying to defend Demott, but I'd say one of the most important skills a wrestler can have in the modern style is cardio. So it would make sense for basically all the drills to be cardio & bumping for a long while. It's not like you can just skip all that, do your 2 minute Raw matches, then all of a sudden train cardio when Vince decides to put you in a main event on a whim.

Not saying you should be pushing guys so hard they get injured, though. Obviously you can take the training too far.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 15:37

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# ? May 14, 2024 15:22

algebra testes: Mar 5, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

Ring Of Honor and to a lesser extent the other indies seriously has been the best feeder territory for them.

It's really a bit embarrassing in that regard.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 15:37

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