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Burning_Monk: Jan 11, 2005; Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know

WarLocke posted:

Is the talk about torpedo boats on the STO forums as dumb as it sounds?

Basically you take a Tactical captain to stack damage buffs, you stack the doffs that proc torpedo cooldowns, load up on 3-4 torps in a science vessel, set weapon power to 0 and crank shield/engine/aux, use science abilities to drain shields and/or transphasics to bypass them...

Torps share a cooldown so having more than 2 is pretty pointless.

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WarLocke: Jun 6, 2004; You are being watched.

Burning_Monk posted:

Torps share a cooldown so having more than 2 is pretty pointless.

According to the 'guide' I read quantums only have a 1.5 second shared cooldown. So theoretically, if you mount 4 with a bunch of 'chance to reduce all torp cooldowns by 5 seconds' doffs you could potentially fire them indefinitely as long as you got enough procs.

Seems like a really gimmicky setup to me.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 01:50

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

Tunicate posted:

Might make DBB omniAP gimmick builds a little less gimmicky, maybe.

Depends on how it interacts with torp spread and stuff.

Yeah, I'm looking at that and it's perfect for my AP DBB build.

But I'll have to give up my grav well torpedo spam.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 01:57

Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

WarLocke posted:

Is the talk about torpedo boats on the STO forums as dumb as it sounds?

Pretty much. It's almost entirely special snowflake pubbie bullshit.

There's a handful of people who've made it "work", but it requires a big sacrifice in skills, will only work with that specific selection of equipment and ships, and is usually done on parses in ISA or CCA or other queues with lots of unshielded hard targets. Don't ever try it unless you're drat sure you know what you're doing, and even single torpedoes are usually a trap in PVE (outside of the occasional broken thing like pre-nerf neutronic spread).

# ? Mar 3, 2015 02:04

WarLocke: Jun 6, 2004; You are being watched.

Asimo posted:

and even single torpedoes are usually a trap in PVE

So what, do people go literally all beams then?

# ? Mar 3, 2015 02:20

Technical Analysis: Nov 21, 2007; I got 99 problems but the British ain't one.

Or DHCs/Turrets, or DBBs/Omnibeams

# ? Mar 3, 2015 02:21

Cyberball 2072: Feb 17, 2014; by Lowtax

WarLocke posted:

Is the talk about torpedo boats on the STO forums as dumb as it sounds?

It's kinda like how everyone on reddit is constantly talking about their "tank builds" which I guess means they all love to sit around and uselessly get shot up. It sounds dumb but this explains the 90% pug ISA failure rate I see.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 02:30

Bloodly: Nov 3, 2008; Not as strong as you'd expect.

WarLocke posted:

So what, do people go literally all beams then?

Science Vessels/Carriers can, Cruisers and Escorts often have too many slots and not enough energy to keep up with the kind of energy loss of 7/8 weapons, so they throw one on.

At least, that was the thinking a while back. Hard to say whether it's still current thinking.

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g0del: Jan 9, 2001; Fun Shoe

Bloodly posted:

Science Vessels/Carriers can, Cruisers and Escorts often have too many slots and not enough energy to keep up with the kind of energy loss of 7/8 weapons, so they throw one on.

At least, that was the thinking a while back. Hard to say whether it's still current thinking.

It hasn't been the current thinking for quite awhile. With plasmonic leech and various other power-boosting equipment, even a tac has no difficulties running all 8 weapons at once. The highest dps ships are generally running 8 beams and broadsiding, or 5 anti-proton DBBs with two omni's and the kinetic cutting beam in back. You can run DHCs/turrets if you really want to be The Sisko, but that build hasn't been competitive in quite awhile.

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Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

Cyberball 2072 posted:

It's kinda like how everyone on reddit is constantly talking about their "tank builds" which I guess means they all love to sit around and uselessly get shot up. It sounds dumb but this explains the 90% pug ISA failure rate I see.

Pretty much. Pubbies like to obsess over dumb niche builds because it makes them feel special and unique, without realizing that there's a reason nobody with any sense builds a ship like that. Tanking* is basically pointless in space PVE since any competently built ship will have high durability and high damage, and dedicated healing is pretty much in the same boat. People seem unable to accept that the space game isn't a tank-and-spank fantasy MMO.

_{_{*There's some queues like Korfez where pulling aggro off NPCs is important, but that's different from traditional tanking and still requires good damage anyway.}}

Bloodly posted:

Science Vessels/Carriers can, Cruisers and Escorts often have too many slots and not enough energy to keep up with the kind of energy loss of 7/8 weapons, so they throw one on.

At least, that was the thinking a while back. Hard to say whether it's still current thinking.

This hasn't really been true in a while, nah. Between warp cores, plasmonic leech, and other additions to the game over time it's trivially easy to keep weapons power maxed out even with eight beam arrays. This is a big part of why Engineers are sort of crap in space right now, since getting damage from power management is no longer really relevant. Handy for getting the full warp core AMP bonus on undergeared alts though I guess. :geno:

Unrelated, regarding the antiproton torpedo...

Borticus posted:

- Does not benefit from Weapon Power
- Does not suffer from Range drop-off
- Benefits from Torpedo Combo Abilities (Torpedo Spread, High Yield, etc)
- Enhanced by any items/bonuses that are "+Antiproton Damage" but not "+Beam/Cannon Damage"
- NOT Enhanced by +Torpedo Damage items/bonuses
- Deals Antiproton Damage, so is not subject to the same Strengths/Resists as a standard Kinetic Torpedo (this includes the Rademaker console that was asked about, though a standard Feedback Pulse WILL reflect this Torpedo)

So it's basically a weird not-energy weapon that uses torpedo skills. Which from the sound of it also means it doesn't splash uselessly against shields either like kinetic damage does. Hm.

EDIT:

g0del posted:

You can run DHCs/turrets if you really want to be The Sisko, but that build hasn't been competitive in quite awhile.

Really, the damage from DHC/turret is fine if you're looking at them in a vacuum. The real problem is the limited fire arc is crippling over the length of a longer queue. You'll be spending 10-20% of your time repositioning and turning to actually get your cannons to bear, and even in queues like CCA where it's fine to sit and turret you wind up losing out on the 10% damage bonus Pedal to the Metal gives. (The Anchored trait might make up for it, but that has other downsides and is a lot less generally useful). There's also the weird fact that being able to broadside means that beamboats wind up much more active and mobile as they do damage since you can circle around (or above, or below) a target and keep firing the whole time, rather than having to do strafing runs and wasting a lot of potential damage.

Asimo fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Mar 3, 2015

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Lafarg: Jul 23, 2012

Tunicate posted:

Might make DBB omniAP gimmick builds a little less gimmicky, maybe.

Depends on how it interacts with torp spread and stuff.

A high yield might be something comparable in damage to a beam overload.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 03:29

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

I'm getting differing opinions online - do partigens boost proton damage?

# ? Mar 3, 2015 04:40

Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

Nope. They boost exotic damage from stuff like gravity well or other science powers and a few weird consoles, proton damage is basically an energy type like phaser or disruptor and only boosted by things that explicitly boost proton damage. Which at the moment are the dyson console set bonuses and the crapass dyson tac consoles. :geno:

The proton DHCs on the dyson destroyers are buffed by generic cannon consoles, but the rep proton weapon isn't counted as a beam or a cannon so it doesn't get that option.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 05:02

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

Game dead.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 05:04

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Asimo posted:

Nope. They boost exotic damage from stuff like gravity well or other science powers and a few weird consoles, proton damage is basically an energy type like phaser or disruptor and only boosted by things that explicitly boost proton damage. Which at the moment are the dyson console set bonuses and the crapass dyson tac consoles. The proton DHCs on the dyson destroyers are buffed by generic cannon consoles, but the rep proton weapon isn't counted as a beam or a cannon so it doesn't get that option.

drat.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 05:05

DonDoodles: Aug 18, 2010; by general anime

A pubbie posted his entire complaint to Cryptic Customer service, their answer, and his response. He especially mad at Dreelix for suggesting that Dentals would be the custodians of the memorial.

quote:

From the detailed complaint filed the day of Leonard Nimoy's passing:

This person was just one of the many members, mostly from the same fleet, repeatedly trolling & annoying the largest portion of attendees @ Vulcan #1, with so many others complaining also; he's a member of Starfleet Dental Fleet, & from the Zone Chat, they were in all of the instances, annoying & trolling & making things generally very stressful to so many. I added a very large number to my Ignore list, if only I could save the chat & PM logs somehow..? Captain Smirk seems to be a Dev & he was there, along with Taco, another Dev. It completely soured my whole experience having party balls forcing me to dance, with colors & streamers & balloons, with every appearance placed there simply to annoy. So many people were complaining & they just wouldn't listen. I also have in my PM a chat with Dreelix@repetitiveepic where s/he said that Starfleet Dental prevailed to Capt. Smirk to allow the partyballs again, after them originally not being allowed. If these kinds of situations are going to continue, esp w/ Dreelix saying that Starfleet Dental is going to be custodians & operating the Nimoy Memorial, not only is it going to alienate a lot of players, it's going to drive them out & away from both the memorial & perhaps even the STO game. I look fwd to discussing further if possible. As it is, I put in my Bio that I'll be Ignoring "Starfleet Mental" members on sight as a result of their actions & communications today. //

Excerpted from Eypreel's response: "...You can take additional action by using /ignore CharacterName@Handle to ignore this player in your chat..." //

& my follow-up:

Very frustrating. The responder [Eypreel, Game Master, Perfect World Entertainment] seemed to completely miss my point, or not understand what seems to me to be a very detailed & clearly explained description of the situation giving rise to the complaint. I was dismayed to see that 1 of the Devs actually relented & allowed the situation to occur. I'm further distressed to understand as a result of a private message back & forth between myself & the party named from 1 of the "Starfleet Mental" fleet members saying that since they 'do so much for the community' that it gave them license to be as annoying, insensitive & inconsiderate as they wished. From many discussions with others similarly annoyed, this seems to be a consistent pattern with that fleet & occurs at any similar public gathering/event. Simply putting every member of that fleet on my "Ignore" list (alas, only a limit of 999!) does nothing for the effects of what may be, at best, described as childish antics. I'm further distressed hearing from that same party that they plan on being the custodians & managers of Leonard Nimoy's memorial; I can hardly think of a more repugnant & disrespectful turn of events & would serve, if not corrected/prevented, to negatively affect players' impression of not only STO but also PWE. If it is the wish & desire of PWE to be appearing as both welcoming to those who are yet considering purchasing a subscription to the STO game, & also being thankful & respectful of those who've already spent good money in buying a subscription, this certainly is not the the path to be following. I look forward to further discussions if the owners, staff & management as so inclined. Most Sincerely, S.W. "Cestovatelka"

[Eypreel, Game Master, Perfect World Entertainment] responded (excerpted): "...We understand how you feel, however, for comments or feedback, we may recommend to post this via our forums page for review."

Well, as you wish, Eypreel, although this isn't the only forum where this might be found posted. "...We appreciate your continued patience and cooperation."

So do I, so do I.

I posted it here, because there's no doubt the thread will be closed or removed very soon. Here's the link anyway: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1390701&page=2

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Korgan: Feb 14, 2012

WarLocke posted:

So I'm still in GoonTrek, the old chat channel. Apparently we're using a new one?

Can I get an invite for Ryllynyth@Ryllynyth?

You're in.

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Hal_2005: Feb 23, 2007

Hey, what happened to the Westley Crusher Wiki ? Did the access reset for inactive users ? Wanted to check what's the FOTM build now going into season 10.

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LordCo: Jun 25, 2005

I sort of accidentally removed the channel from my alt. If @lioneltrane could be added again it would be appreciated.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 07:47

Korgan: Feb 14, 2012

Hal_2005 posted:

Hey, what happened to the Westley Crusher Wiki ? Did the access reset for inactive users ? Wanted to check what's the FOTM build now going into season 10.

Your account is still showing as active to me, check your pms.

LordCo posted:

I sort of accidentally removed the channel from my alt. If @lioneltrane could be added again it would be appreciated.

Nope, you get one add and that's it. :argh:

# ? Mar 3, 2015 07:57

Aleth: Aug 2, 2008; Pillbug

Hal_2005 posted:

Hey, what happened to the Westley Crusher Wiki ? Did the access reset for inactive users ? Wanted to check what's the FOTM build now going into season 10.

It was rehosted a few weeks back so everyone needs to log back in, shouldn't have hosed up anything more than that though.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 08:03

Jethro_E7: Dec 11, 2014

Can someone explain to me our strategy as outlined here?

Magnificent!

I find the thought of some guy joining us and writing daily reports because those are his orders deeply fascinating and demand to see evidence.

I do find the way we are trolled on the forums shocking, considering our kindness as demonstrated here.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 08:45

BombermanX: Jan 13, 2011; I'm afraid of other people's opinions when they differ from my own. Please do not hurt my feelings.

http://pastebin.com/uRpbeEYA

some good things posted:

[3/2 11:45] [Zone] Angel@mynameissirmiste: respect is earned and this mofo just dis earned my respect
[3/2 11:46] [Zone] Angel@mynameissirmiste: clearly your being dumb and ignorant
[3/2 11:52] [Zone] Angel@mynameissirmiste: if it was interlecual you prob should not RP a dead dude

# ? Mar 3, 2015 09:10

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

I'm very interlecual.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 10:23

BombermanX: Jan 13, 2011; I'm afraid of other people's opinions when they differ from my own. Please do not hurt my feelings.

I really had hopes for this crowd.

Strong hopes.
:sigh:

# ? Mar 3, 2015 19:05

Valatar: Sep 26, 2011; A remarkable example of a pathetic species.; Lipstick Apathy

I've pulled down around 180m EC last night from omega sales and have about another 250m worth up in the exchange, hopefully that'll be enough to get the upcoming completely balanced and not P2W ship when it hits. I have another 105 fragments that I could stick on the exchange if need be, but I'd rather make them into upgrades.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 20:10

hakimashou: Jul 15, 2002; Upset Trowel

BombermanX posted:

I really had hopes for this crowd.

Strong hopes.

It is so good

# ? Mar 3, 2015 20:19

hakimashou: Jul 15, 2002; Upset Trowel

Valatar posted:

I've pulled down around 180m EC last night from omega sales and have about another 250m worth up in the exchange, hopefully that'll be enough to get the upcoming completely balanced and not P2W ship when it hits. I have another 105 fragments that I could stick on the exchange if need be, but I'd rather make them into upgrades.

The longer you hoard it the more it will be worth.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 20:32

Valatar: Sep 26, 2011; A remarkable example of a pathetic species.; Lipstick Apathy

This is true, however the rumored ship is supposedly arriving in the not-distant future, putting a bit of a crimp on my ability to sit on the omega stuff for months. But in the meanwhile I've been using my current cash to buy up the cheapest omegas on the market and relist for higher, so hopefully that will help on the revenue front while maintaining my stock of omegas to sell down the road for more.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 21:29

Celoth: Jun 21, 2014; Technically, Tribbles can't say No.

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9079533

Queue the rage.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 21:49

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

Celoth posted:

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9079533

Queue the rage.

On screen.

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1391521

# ? Mar 3, 2015 22:30

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Tunicate posted:

On screen.

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1391521

The rage is beautiful.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 22:33

Lagomorphic: Apr 21, 2008; AKA: Orthonormal

Yeah on the one hand the whole thing is a super lovely dick move. On the other hand making you buy all of your overpriced poo poo again is the whole point of raising the level cap so anyone with any sense has seen this coming for months.

Lots of pubbies didn't see it coming apparently.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 22:38

Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

Yeah. I'm not pissed or anything since it's not like I'm going to spend money on that bullshit, but this is a pretty huge mistake for Cryptic in the long run and really shows how desperate they've gotten after Delta Rising failed. It's one thing to sell upgrades to c-store ships, since those are "guaranteed" and there's no pressure for gambling addict types to dump lots of money. But the special reward ships are another matter, and Cryptic's always been smart about upgrading existing ones (to fleet, then to T5u) whenever the baseline got raised. Having one be outright replaced like this is a horrible idea since it means the special ships are no longer a safe "investment", and subtle things like that are a huge discouragement in the long run.

It's frittering away player confidence for a short term budget injection. There's been a lot of hosed up decision making from Cryptic, but this really does put the writing on the wall to how bad things are there right now.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 22:49

Lafarg: Jul 23, 2012

SKY COQ posted:

The rage is beautiful.

They are up to almost half a dozen rage threads already.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 23:28

Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

Well, as noted, it's pretty inevitable. Cryptic made the biggest mistake they could possibly do: loving over the insane whales who dump thousands into their dumb game.

It'd be more fun to watch it all if the current devteam weren't busy running the game into the ground meanwhile.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 23:36

Preechr: May 19, 2009; Proud member of the Pony-Brony Alliance for Obama as President

Asimo posted:

Well, as noted, it's pretty inevitable. Cryptic made the biggest mistake they could possibly do: loving over the insane whales who dump thousands into their dumb game.

It'd be more fun to watch it all if the current devteam weren't busy running the game into the ground meanwhile.

There's an explanation on the leaks page.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 23:44

Asimo: Sep 23, 2007

Yeah, I know. I can totally see why Cryptic's so desperate, but they made their own bed with Delta Rising, and the more they pull blatant cash grabs like this the more they're bleeding away their long term revenue. And all it would take to fix it would be unfucking the PVE content, but... whelp.

Anyone who's still giving money to this game post-Delta-Rising deserves what they get I guess. They've driven away the casual players and spenders, and now they're screwing the whales, game's dying RIP.

# ? Mar 3, 2015 23:47

Coq au Nandos: Nov 7, 2006; I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Preechr posted:

There's an explanation on the leaks page.

Jeeeeeeeeeesus

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wdarkk: Oct 26, 2007; Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

Preechr posted:

There's an explanation on the leaks page.

Fuuuuuuuuuck.

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