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This season has sucked because nothing is happening (relative to what we have come to expect from the show). Season 1 had some bad episodes, but overall was a lot better than this season, which has easily been the worst so far. Sara dies, Laurel takes up intro to vigilantism...and that is all we have. There has been zero character development other than Felicity flipping from being the lighthearted fun character, to this overly emotional, melodramatic anchor that is weighing everything down. Ra's barely even qualifies as the big bad guy of the season, when all he has done so far is show considerable restraint given what he is supposed to be. He wanted a mass murder brought to justice, then asked for the killer of one of his agents be turned over. The big stakes this season seems to be save Thea's life/conscience, which is incredibly tame given what is usually on the line. This used to be a show founded on the fact that there are consequences for everything, and this season has pretty much thrown that aspect out the window. Unless DC have secretly planned for this final third of the season to be loaded with backdoor pilots and character introductions for their upcoming shows, I don't see how they salvage this season. Provoking Ra's to the point where Thea and Merlyn aren't the only ones threatened, then teaming up and beating him is going to be pretty dull. The other option seems to be that we get something completely nonsensical - on par with whatever is going on with Fish Mooney every week on Gotham.
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Xtanstic posted:Does Roy fit into the Robin archetype beyond the superficial comparisons? I like the little character moments between him and Ollie, like that time they had a late night dinner at Dig's and were each other's dates.
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Mar 4, 2015 02:38
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Thea takes Ollie's plans to start and control a gang war and attempts to use them to clear up the Glades. That would actually be rad as gently caress.
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Mar 4, 2015 02:41
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They're internally calling the next villain "Damian Dark" and thus the internet has decided Ollie will be fighting a tween next season. Also someone's dying. My money's on Black Driver.  http://comicbook.com/2015/03/04/damian-wayne-rumored-for-arrow-villain/
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Mar 4, 2015 02:50
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According to the TVline source, it's probably this guy.
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Mar 4, 2015 02:59
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E: ^^^ Oh poo poo, HIVETyrantWD posted:This season has sucked because nothing is happening (relative to what we have come to expect from the show). Season 1 had some bad episodes, but overall was a lot better than this season, which has easily been the worst so far. I don't really see it that way. I feel like the way the season has progressed, with Ray setting himself up to be a hero and an alternative to The Arrow while various factors - Thea, Merlyn, and Laurel being the notable ones - cause a lot of internal strife in Team Arrow (and with Ray going out there, possible literal fracturing of the team with Felicity leaving), and poo poo like Ra's's offer to Ollie, this season isn't really about an external threat the way the previous seasons were. In season 1 you had Merlyn and his Undertaking, season 2 was about Ollie's past coming back to haunt him with Slade's vengeful assault. With this season, the theoretical external threat comes from the League of Assassins, but instead of bringing their forces to bear (at least so far), Ra's asked Ollie to take his place. The way I see it, this season is a lot more personal: it's about the team, about The Arrow's role in the city, and the choices that Oliver makes - as contrasted to the choices Thea and Ray are making. This season is entirely about Oliver's personal arc, much more than the previous two seasons were. King of Solomon fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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Mar 4, 2015 03:05
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Did anyone else get some hardcore Scandal flashbacks from Ray and Thea in the car outside the dead cop's house?
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Mar 4, 2015 03:06
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BrianWilly posted:According to the TVline source, it's probably this guy. All those resources and connections and he's just shot to death by a caveman? Sweet.
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Mar 4, 2015 03:15
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Whizbang posted:That would actually be rad as gently caress.  It's the plot to Batman:Wargames
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:
Yes, and it was rad as gently caress then too.
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Mar 4, 2015 04:22
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Chokes McGee posted:Where's the fun? They should've worked through the whole tragic back story thing already Flash is using up all the fun.
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Mar 4, 2015 05:19
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I absolutely love this show and am still excited for it (and Flash) each week. Regardless, I'd have to agree this season feels weaker than the first two. I guess for me it's partly because I have no idea where they're going with the season's overall arc yet, so I may enjoy the season more overall in hindsight once the season is finished. I do think this season has had some pretty drat great moments though such as the Flash crossover, boxing glove arrow, Ollie vs Ras duel etc. I think my biggest problem with this season is I really disliked how they handled Ollie's "death". It seems like the show got cold feet with that one and instead of embracing the lazarus pits at that moment they instead fell back on "just kidding he was okay after all".
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Mar 4, 2015 05:40
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I think the problem with this season, beyond the obviously weaker flashbacks, is that it felt like it wasn't progressing much in the beginning."We have to find Sarah's killer!" next episode, "we still need to find Sarah's killer!" next episode, "we continue to need to find Sarah's killer!" and through it all, they made zero progress towards finding Sarah's killer. But it's past that now and should be pretty good going forward.
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To me the season's big misstep was with the Ray Palmer storyline. Like, it was interesting when he came in as a foil to Ollie and it looked like he was going to tie directly into his arc and the legacy of his parents with the whole takeover/Star City thing, but then he just got shunted over to the wayside, just to show up in one scene an episode to have sexual tension with Felicity or to do something with his suit -- and that's basically all he's done this season. It's like how in Burn Notice you'd have a main plot and then some throwaway scene at the end of the episode to advance the big season metaplot, except Ray's not the main character so it feels totally disconnected
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:To me the season's big misstep was with the Ray Palmer storyline. Like, it was interesting when he came in as a foil to Ollie and it looked like he was going to tie directly into his arc and the legacy of his parents with the whole takeover/Star City thing, but then he just got shunted over to the wayside, just to show up in one scene an episode to have sexual tension with Felicity or to do something with his suit -- and that's basically all he's done this season. It's like how in Burn Notice you'd have a main plot and then some throwaway scene at the end of the episode to advance the big season metaplot, except Ray's not the main character so it feels totally disconnected Bring him back to center stage in the story by having his first superhero outing with the suit be awesome and successful. Then the city loves and adores him. And he uses his wealth for good. All while Oliver broods in the basement of his sister's club.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:To me the season's big misstep was with the Ray Palmer storyline. Like, it was interesting when he came in as a foil to Ollie and it looked like he was going to tie directly into his arc and the legacy of his parents with the whole takeover/Star City thing, but then he just got shunted over to the wayside, just to show up in one scene an episode to have sexual tension with Felicity or to do something with his suit -- and that's basically all he's done this season. It's like how in Burn Notice you'd have a main plot and then some throwaway scene at the end of the episode to advance the big season metaplot, except Ray's not the main character so it feels totally disconnected The suit's finally done, so that plotline should start tying into the main story now, but I basically agree there, if not in the precise details. I think he should have finished the suit either during the midseason finale, the episode immediately following it, or right at the end of the Brick three-parter. That said, while I like this season a lot - I don't currently feel like it's better than Season 2, but large chunks of it are certainly on par, and it's definitely better than Season 1 - I feel like its biggest misstep is a failure to properly communicate itself.
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I think my main problem with this season is a combo of two things. The first is that there's too much hero stuff and not enough personal stuff. We're basically left with no regular human people at this point. The second is that it seems like nothing is actually happening with the superhero stuff. I guess the third is that Ollie dying fighting Ras was the incredible and then the events following that have been really boring and they didn't deal well with it at all.
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evenworse username posted:Also bear in mind that when the chips were really down, Oliver did beat Merlyn. He had to cheat horrendously to do it, but he still got the result. There's no such thing as cheating, only survival and death.
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BrianWilly posted:If we kicked out everyone who ever called Laurel a horrible name I think this thread would be down to you and...possibly me, though I admit I may or may not have participated in Doritogate. Yo! I'm pretty sure i never did. I don't like her mask and she sucks at fighting. But whatevs. Hate watchers are like aids.
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I wonder what the situation is gonna look like when they kill Roy off in the season finale. Gotta say, I'm gonna miss having Colton Haynes around.
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Mar 4, 2015 08:17
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Like it's not going to be Felicity
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Mar 4, 2015 08:25
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Bad Moon posted:Like it's not going to be Felicity Emily Bett Rickards isn't the one getting fitted for a mask to take his character's job.
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Bad Moon posted:In other words bring on Lady Shiva for Ollie. Oh and Cheshire for Roy tia. If you're throwing Cheshire into the mix, you might as well bring out the best DC villain. Sportsmaster 
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Bad Moon posted:Like it's not going to be Felicity You could see that tumblr explosion from space
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PowerBeard posted:If you're throwing Cheshire into the mix, you might as well bring out the best DC villain. Sportsmaster is a master of all sports. Archery is a sport. Therefore, he's a master of archery. Repeat for target shooting, martial arts, etc.
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PowerBeard posted:If you're throwing Cheshire into the mix, you might as well bring out the best DC villain. I've been singing that song for a while now. They would be a dopest villains, i can't think of anyone who could play him though. Lady Shiva, Cheshire, Sportsmaster, Bring Guardian in as Roy's long lost uncle. It'll be amazing. Thea in battle mode with Cheshire, Laurel getting some League training.
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Mar 4, 2015 10:28
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Elias Koteas as Sportsmaster.
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The pacing has been terrible, largely because Oliver and team haven't actually had someone to punch in the face. Even before season 2 gave us Slade, we had Brother Blood running around. This year, we had "find Canary's killer" which led to "train/protect Thea" which led to... whatever else they've got coming. Its all fundamentally passive, and backed up by the Hong Kong flashbacks feeling more like a stroll than a defining chapter in Oliver's life. Ray feels disconnected from the show, but so does a LOT of the world. We had 12 episodes with next-to-no word on how Palmer industries is changing Starling, or even what Starling City is going through. And then the show veers off into that territory with Brick, and it doesn't feel like a fun return so much as a last ditch effort. I don't buy for a second that these problems stem from Laurel et al. being let in on the secret. They instead stem from the writers really lacking one coherent thread to tie everything together. Season 2 also lost character arcs left and right for episodes at a time, but it could all be brought to Oliver and Slade. I still like Arrow, and find it to be more enjoyable than The Flash. But I like angst and my superheroes grimmer and less smiley, so that's not a huge surprise. I just think the show's writers had some really fun breakdowns for the season, got WAY too into outlining, and then fell down when it was time to turn that into a coherent and consistent show.
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boom boom boom posted:I think the problem with this season, beyond the obviously weaker flashbacks, is that it felt like it wasn't progressing much in the beginning."We have to find Sarah's killer!" next episode, "we still need to find Sarah's killer!" next episode, "we continue to need to find Sarah's killer!" and through it all, they made zero progress towards finding Sarah's killer. Finding Sara's killer sounds like a good half season long arch on paper, but there just wasn't enough mystery there to be remotely worthwhile. If it was more complicated they could have the cast gradually put together clues and close in to the killer, but there really wasn't anything to investigate. It had to be one of the already introduced significant characters so there was only 3-4 people it could feasibly be. So they just ended up writing a string of pointless red herrings that did nothing to hide the fact they were just marking time till the mid season finale reveal so the plot could finally start moving. It was
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It's not so much Ray as it is Felicity. They felt Felicity needed to have her own plot so they gave her Ray, instead of linking him to Oliver somehow. Ray would be fine if his story was integrated into the rest of the show. This is why you don't listen to your fans.
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All that said, I'm curious about how Nyssa will handle Ra's decision to train Oliver. I sense tension brewing! 
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enraged_camel posted:All that said, I'm curious about how Nyssa will handle Ra's decision to train Oliver. She gotta do him and bear Ras a true heir.
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greatn posted:She gotta do him and bear Ras a true heir. Nyssa needs to bag herself another Lance sister so she and Ollie can be double Eskimo brothers.
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Bad Moon posted:Nyssa needs to bag herself another Lance sister so she and Ollie can be double Eskimo brothers. Looks like she might get his sister.
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I agree with many of the criticisms of this season's pacing and overall plot - its just very slow and awkward, especially compared to last season. That being said, they've still put together a few amazing full on amazing episodes, even if those are more the exception than the rule this season. Off the top of my head, The Brave and the Bold, The Climb and the most recent episode have all been very entertaining. I'm hoping that in the future we look back on Season 3 of Arrow as an aberration, a hiccup in a strong show.
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http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/416203-promo-photos-from-episode-3-16-of-arrow-titled-the-offer Set images for Episode 16
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The Undertaking is actually happening right now in The Glades IRL thanks to a massive chemical fire at the port the show always like to film at People in East Vancouver are ordered to stay inside.
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^^^ Merlyn! Ollie should have killed you in Season 1 
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Reverse Centaur posted:The Undertaking is actually happening right now in The Glades IRL thanks to a massive chemical fire at the port the show always like to film at Eh, I agree with Merlyn about East Vancouver people.
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Whizbang posted:Eh, I agree with Merlyn about East Vancouver people. Me too. Maybe after half the city dies I can buy a house for less than $1,000,000. hahahah hoohohohohoho heehehe yeah right
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