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I would run 4-of Zurgo over my Firedancers honestly. I'm gonna miss Crowd's Favor more than Foundry Street Denizen when M15 rotates personally. Also Satyr Hoplite, Titan's Strength, Dragon Mantle, Hammerhand, and Coordinated Assault. Man my whole Sligh deck dies to rotation. I'll have to build a deck with a curve and poo poo. 
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All I'm saying is that Sligh is a junky gimmick deck for dirty poors who want to pick off a few unsuspecting schmoes in MODO 2-man queues don't shoot the messenger okay?
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Mar 5, 2015 20:30
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On the plus side Anger of the Gods and Drown in Sorrow are rotating too, and there's currently no replacement in Khans that's remotely as good. I mean, imagine not having to play around those. Every matchup would be like UW heroic
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Mar 5, 2015 20:34
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Angry Grimace posted:All I'm saying is that Sligh is a junky gimmick deck for dirty poors who want to pick off a few unsuspecting schmoes in MODO 2-man queues don't shoot the messenger okay? Someone's salty.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:34
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Rimusutera posted:Someone's salty. Gimmick deck player spotted.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:36
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Irony Be My Shield posted:On the plus side Anger of the Gods and Drown in Sorrow are rotating too, and there's currently no replacement in Khans that's remotely as good. There will be a new mini wrath in the first set post rotation.
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Angry Grimace posted:All I'm saying is that Sligh is a junky gimmick deck for dirty poors who want to pick off a few unsuspecting schmoes in MODO 2-man queues don't shoot the messenger okay? In the time it took for you to type this, I played my third land, cast Hordeling Outburst, and swung with a 4/1 Denizen and 2/3 Swiftspear.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:36
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Rimusutera posted:Besides the "Guys, Isamaru was a 4x in Zoo" comments, the highest I've seen was 2x. And yeah, the logic is you can't play more than one. if you dash it has haste so obviously it's something you want late game and not early 
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Mar 5, 2015 20:37
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bhsman posted:In the time it took for you to type this, I played my third land, cast Hordeling Outburst, and swung with a 4/1 Denizen and 2/3 Swiftspear. Cool is it okay if I play Drown in Sorrow now thanks (yes, I would love to scry this Siege Rhino to the top)
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Mar 5, 2015 20:38
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Angry Grimace posted:All I'm saying is that Sligh is a junky gimmick deck for dirty poors who want to pick off a few unsuspecting schmoes in MODO 2-man queues don't shoot the messenger okay? Sligh and RDW own and always have owned, haters vacate
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Mar 5, 2015 20:39
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bhsman posted:In the time it took for you to type this, I played my third land, cast Hordeling Outburst, and swung with a 4/1 Denizen and 2/3 Swiftspear. I stare at the top card of my deck for appears to be an eternity. I put it back. Then I drown in sorrows, and go back to staring at the top card of my library.
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Angry Grimace posted:Gimmick deck player spotted. I'm not exactly sure how sligh of all decks counts as a gimmick but I agree that a lot of cards from Theros/M15 hurt the deck pretty hard.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:39
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Angry Grimace posted:Gimmick deck player spotted. I play the more Midrangey RW. Nice try.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:40
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TheKingofSprings posted:There will be a new mini wrath in the first set post rotation.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:41
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If you decide to play new Zurgo in your deck, of course you have to play at least 3x. He's so much worse anywhere but the opening hand. But actually between him and Lightning Berserker, Mono-R is going to get pretty nuts when Dragons comes out. I'm thinking Dragon Fodder might even see some play, because Foundry Street into Fodder seems great.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:42
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Nice to see a shoutout to Ironclaw Orcs too, a weirdly iconic card in its own way.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:43
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qbert posted:If you decide to play new Zurgo in your deck, of course you have to play at least 3x. He's so much worse anywhere but the opening hand. Sligh's problem isn't the available card quality. Its that there's a shitload of answers to Mono-R. I'm not saying Sligh will be uncompetitive - its Tier 2-3 competitive now - its that unless it finds a way to engineer turn 3 on the play kills, its entire game plan can repeatedly be disrupted by a single card and really, top tier red decks (R/W to be specific) can already interact with sligh before turn 3 by Slashing, Spraying and Striking. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Mar 5, 2015 20:45
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... between Foundry Denizen, Scout, Heelcutter, Rabble and the two token generators, could we see a Obelisk of Urd Goblin deck? gently caress it, I'll jam Zurgo in there and run it at FNM or something, just for shits and giggles.
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Rimusutera posted:... between Foundry Denizen, Scout, Heelcutter, Rabble and the two token generators, could we see a Obelisk of Urd Goblin deck? but orcs arent goblins 
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Mar 5, 2015 20:46
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Angry Grimace posted:Sligh's problem isn't the available card quality. Its that there's a shitload of answers to Mono-R. The deck still wins A LOT. Also you're ignoring that the new good cards in question DODGE Drown in Sorrow and Anger.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:49
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Angry Grimace posted:Cool is it okay if I play Drown in Sorrow now thanks (yes, I would love to scry this Siege Rhino to the top) Woah man that sounds like a gimmicky deck for players with more money than skill.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:50
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qbert posted:The deck getting more good cards that can dodge Drown in Sorrow and Anger isn't worth discussing? Back up the train there a bit, everything about Magic is worth discussion in the Magic topic. Dash avoids Drown and Anger, but I think that's less of a benefit than you're imagining because dash actually sucks in a deck with 18 lands in it. You're not playing more threats than the opponent can deal with, you're playing one tiny threat over and over just to play around a single card.
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Mar 5, 2015 20:51
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Starving Autist posted:Because you'd like to actually draw it in your opening hand in a decent number of games. You don't want 4, since drawing multiples sucks, but only having 1 isn't that great either since you won't get to open with it very much. OH
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Angry Grimace posted:Back up the train there a bit, everything about Magic is worth discussion in the Magic topic. Dash avoids Drown and Anger, but I think that's less of a benefit than you're imagining because the dash sucks in a deck with 18 lands in it. I don't know how well you've kept up with the archetype, but I haven't seen a Mono-R deck play only 18 lands in a long time. Secondly, if you're not trying to stifle discussion on the deck, then perhaps don't just reply with "whole deck dies to Drown, moving on". You're treating Dash like either the pilot will play 1 creature the whole game, or vomit out their entire hand. It's actually possible to play strategically and offer enough threats early on that need to be answered with a Drown or they die, yet still hold back significant hasty threats post-wipe to finish them off. qbert fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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qbert posted:I don't know how well you've kept up with the archetype, but I haven't seen a Mono-R deck play only 18 lands in a long time. Did someone confirm a stifle reprint?
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Mar 5, 2015 20:55
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bhsman posted:Woah man that sounds like a gimmicky deck for players with more money than skill. Yes winning, truly the most gimmicky tactic of all
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Rimusutera posted:... between Foundry Denizen, Scout, Heelcutter, Rabble and the two token generators, could we see a Obelisk of Urd Goblin deck? im going to do it and splash for jeskai ascendancy and attack for 20 on turn 4
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qbert posted:I don't know how well you've kept up with the archetype, but I haven't seen a Mono-R deck play only 18 lands in a long time. Making a legitimate point is not stifling a discussion, that's you getting angry that someone has a point you don't like.
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I wonder when sligh started meaning "balls to the wall aggro deck". That wasn't what it was initially, the first successful build of sligh included brothers of fire and orcish artillery, and later builds had Cursed Scroll.
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Mar 5, 2015 21:04
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Zoness posted:Did someone confirm a stifle reprint? No but in a surprise twist, the next block is actually Half Life 3.
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Mar 5, 2015 21:04
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Elyv posted:Cursed Scroll.
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Mar 5, 2015 21:07
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Elyv posted:I wonder when sligh started meaning "balls to the wall aggro deck". That wasn't what it was initially, the first successful build of sligh included brothers of fire and orcish artillery, and later builds had Cursed Scroll. There isn't a good standard burn deck anywhere that wouldn't run 4x Cursed Scroll if the option were there, that card is ludicrous for that style of deck
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Mar 5, 2015 21:07
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but you see it was a card made for bluffing
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Mar 5, 2015 21:09
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Spiderdrake posted:"Fireblast" before showing that both cards in his hand are Fireblast, a crucial midrange tactic in an era of ritual ritual hatred? I remember Paul Cheon losing a streamed game by not knowing how Cursed Scroll works. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Mar 5, 2015 |
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Mar 5, 2015 21:10
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Angry Grimace posted:I seem to remember Paul Cheon losing a streamed game by not knowing how Cursed Scroll works. cards work on modo?
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Mar 5, 2015 21:12
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Zoness posted:cards work on modo? He had one card in his hand and was trying to kill his opponent's Man-O-War so he named Man-O-War. LSV was on the stream commentating along with Paul and just said nothing and let him lose because, quote, "I didn't say anything because it was just too funny"
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Mar 5, 2015 21:13
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that is a masterstroke of flavor if not a masterstroke of actual card playing he was playing the cursed scroll as a deathnote!!
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Mar 5, 2015 21:13
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animeeeee
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Mar 5, 2015 21:14
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Force of Will is going to slot right into my Torrent Elemental deck.
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Mr. Peepers posted:Force of Will is going to slot right into my Torrent Elemental deck. I can't wait to jam 4 Force of Will into my Siege Rhino deck
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