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Vox Nihili posted:Well? Can it? No. The womb acts as a "shield other" spell because vaginas are magical.
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Vox Nihili posted:Well? Can it? If it's physical damage that doesn't pass through this, no. I.e. fireball. Bless/curse, sleep, etc - yes (the DM loved the idea of loving us over when casting sleep on a bunch of goblins, but Wait! one goblin is female with a litter of goblins inside her and thus no one else falls asleep, level 1 party will now die) Fetus is a relevant target once 'quickening' occurs since, after all, this is fantasy middle ages and that's the word they used. Further exploration of this topic will happen next session, I'm sure. I'm glad a thread full of lawyers can appreciate this concept. Lawyers actually make for pretty good D&D players because we reach the edge cases almost immediately and demand a ruling but then, after making argument, accept the ruling and move on mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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In utero fetuses are unconscious though! And "[s]leep does not target unconscious creatures, constructs, or undead creatures." This ruling is a travesty, better get a writ on this DM. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/
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mastershakeman posted:Lawyers actually make for pretty good D&D players because we reach the edge cases almost immediately and demand a ruling but then, after making argument, accept the ruling and move on Lawyers make for terrible D&D players because they're constantly pushing the edges and delaying poo poo with half-hour long arguments about the rules, because that is their fetish. They can make decent GMs if they're creative, though.
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Abugadu posted:Lawyers make for terrible D&D players because they're constantly pushing the edges and delaying poo poo with half-hour long arguments about the rules, because that is their fetish. See, e.g., my post, supra.
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Vox Nihili posted:In utero fetuses are unconscious though! The hell they are.
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http://observer.com/2015/03/california-prosecutor-falsifies-transcript-of-confession/ quote:Kern County prosecutor Robert Murray added two lines of transcript to “evidence” that the defendant confessed to an even more egregious offense than that with which he had been charged—the already hideous offense of molesting a child. Zarkov Cortez fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Zarkov Cortez posted:
Nothing will happen to anything. Well, he might get promoted. Welcome to Republican California! That CalFire case cited in there is also amazingly hosed up and the US Attorney did it. They might actually get sanctions because federal court and the wronged party was Sierra Pacific and not some poor black guy. One of the main reasons I'm getting out of crim here, is I can't stand the prosecutorial misconduct certain people get away with here. Even from the other side, you feel like you're enabling it, no matter how much you yell. Nothing ever happens. California is broken. We're allegedly liberal, but as far as criminal goes we might as well be the deep south. edit: Holy poo poo, he might get a reprimand! http://members.calbar.ca.gov/courtDocs/14-O-00412.pdf nm fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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What the actual gently caress?????? Who does that? That's just..... I am absolutely disgusted by that. If that happened here he'd be run out of town. Hell, our prosecutor's bar completely shunned someone just for working out a code with a witness. (Wasn't sure eyewitness could make in court ID. Told witness she would offer her water during direct. If witness took water it means she's ready to make ID) she ended up having to leave the state or spend the rest of her career collecting traffic fines. I'm just appalled that this could happen. He should be disbarred.
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ActusRhesus posted:The hell they are. Invasive experiments in rat and lamb pups and observational studies using ultrasound and electrical recordings in humans show that the third-trimester fetus is almost always in one of two sleep states. Called active and quiet sleep, these states can be distinguished using electroencephalography. Their different EEG signatures go hand in hand with distinct behaviors: breathing, swallowing, licking, and moving the eyes but no large-scale body movements in active sleep; no breathing, no eye movements and tonic muscle activity in quiet sleep. These stages correspond to rapid-eye-movement (REM) and slow-wave sleep common to all mammals. In late gestation the fetus is in one of these two sleep states 95 percent of the time, separated by brief transitions. What is fascinating is the discovery that the fetus is actively sedated by the low oxygen pressure (equivalent to that at the top of Mount Everest), the warm and cushioned uterine environment and a range of neuroinhibitory and sleep-inducing substances produced by the placenta and the fetus itself: adenosine; two steroidal anesthetics, allopregnanolone and pregnanolone; one potent hormone, prostaglandin D2; and others. The role of the placenta in maintaining sedation is revealed when the umbilical cord is closed off while keeping the fetus adequately supplied with oxygen. The lamb embryo now moves and breathes continuously. From all this evidence, neonatologists conclude that the fetus is asleep while its brain matures.
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Growing a fetus in my uterus suggests to me they are at least occasionally awake.
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ActusRhesus posted:she ended up having to leave the state or spend the rest of her career collecting traffic fines. Oh word? Didn't know blarzgh used to be a prosecutor in your state.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Oh word? Didn't know blarzgh used to be a prosecutor in your state. First I was a traffic ticket lawyer, now I was a disgraced wood elf lawyer in a past life?
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nm posted:Nothing will happen to anything. Well, he might get promoted. Welcome to Republican California! Doesn't California have some sort of criminal charge for obstructing justice?
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ActusRhesus posted:Growing a fetus in my uterus suggests to me they are at least occasionally awake. You kick and stuff in your sleep, sometimes. You can also react to stimulus while unconscious. Anyway, I think the thrust of the study was persuasive (and seems to be the popular stance in the scientific community). Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Also, that prosecutor belongs in prison.
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Zarkov Cortez posted:Doesn't California have some sort of criminal charge for obstructing justice? And who would charge him? The Attorney General! You think it is hard to charge cops? Try prosecutors. blarzgh posted:First I was a traffic ticket lawyer, now I was a disgraced wood elf lawyer in a past life?
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Zarkov Cortez posted:Doesn't California have some sort of criminal charge for obstructing justice? Only for poors.
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Vox Nihili posted:Also, that prosecutor belongs in prison. Also this.
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Just a reminder that nothing has happened to the prosecutor who perjured himself in front of a jury to get a man convicted and bolster a snitch's credibility. Despite the 9th Circuit recommending charges, he doesn't even have a state bar charge.
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nm posted:Just a reminder that nothing has happened to the prosecutor who perjured himself in front of a jury to get a man convicted and bolster a snitch's credibility. Despite the 9th Circuit recommending charges, he doesn't even have a state bar charge. Gross.
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nm posted:Just a reminder that nothing has happened to the prosecutor who perjured himself in front of a jury to get a man convicted and bolster a snitch's credibility. Despite the 9th Circuit recommending charges, he doesn't even have a state bar charge. Presumably he wasn't stupid enough to say "lol jk" on the record though.
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nm posted:And who would charge him? The Attorney General! I'm just a small-town pizza lawyer.
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blarzgh posted:I'm just a small-town pizza lawyer. This is my dream. Hat and all. edit: What it takes for a prosecutor to get a reprimand from the bar: http://www.calbarjournal.com/March2015/TopHeadlines/TH5.aspx nm fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Back to scotch chat. When they started aging my scotch in 1979, my parents hadn't met yet. edit: This bottle is almost dead and making me sad.
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mastershakeman posted:Lawyers actually make for pretty good D&D players because we reach the edge cases almost immediately and demand a ruling but then, after making argument, accept the ruling and move on Until they demand an appellate DM.
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echopapa posted:Until they demand an appellate DM. Interlocutory appeal on issue of whether AOE can hit a fetus with injunction against further damage.
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I remember reading in crim law about the dude that kneed his preggo gal in the stomach a few times in Cali back in the 60s but wasn't able to be charged with homicide because at the time the fetus wasn't considered alive or whatnot. So, yeah, the fetus definitely can get hit by pretty much everything. Unless there is some kind of magical ward cast by the mother of someone else, someone is getting an abortion.
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This is why I stick with WH40k. In the grim darkness of the far future, fœtuses are grown only in test tubes
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# ? Mar 6, 2015 13:57 |
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I just play my catlady dressup simulator and that's about it these days.
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# ? Mar 6, 2015 13:59 |
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Perk to being admitted to the supreme court bar, you get a secret address to mail appeals to the d&d supreme court staffed by ginsberg, scalia, and kennedy afterhours. Strangely scalia is the swing vote.
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Kennedy plays a halfling, doesn't he?
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# ? Mar 6, 2015 19:47 |
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Pretty sure Scalia is a dwarf
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# ? Mar 6, 2015 19:49 |
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I just got my financial aid letter. I wonder how many people take the maximum offered. EDIT: My maximum possible debt would be a little over 93K, I'm probably looking at 61,500. Toona the Cat fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Mar 6, 2015 |
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Most people?
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Look Sir Droids posted:Most people? I guess I'm just naive about these kind of things. I've had one loan ever in my life and that was for my first house.
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Toona the Cat posted:I just got my financial aid letter. I wonder how many people take the maximum offered. Ugh
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ActusRhesus posted:Pretty sure Scalia is a dwarf Only if it's a system where dwarves can be bards.
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Toona the Cat posted:I guess I'm just naive about these kind of things. I've had one loan ever in my life and that was for my first house. Stop now.
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Toona the Cat posted:EDIT: My maximum possible debt would be a little over 93K, I'm probably looking at 61,500.
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