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Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

It's almost as if people who say "tf2 is dead" actually mean "I don't enjoy it anymore", but feel the need to make it some kind of universal truth.

Nobody's denying that the TF2 scene is missing some good things that it once had, but the core is still functional and fun and the potential for regrowth is still significant.

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Mar 8, 2015

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Butt Detective
Mar 24, 2013

Only the dead can know peace from these hats.
I don't know if it's an issue with the game itself or my laptop or what, but TF2's gradually been running worse and worse for me. It used to run just fine and I'd get an average of 80 fps, then a month or so ago I started getting problems where every so often, my framerate would drop to ridiculous levels, the game would lag like hell and the sound would completely glitch out. It'd last about 10-ish seconds and then go back to normal like nothing happened. It was annoying, but didn't happen too often. Now my game's stopped doing that in favour of stuttering now and then and sometimes just completely freezing at random, forcing me to have to tab out and exit the game. I want to believe it's something easily fixable, but considering I'd have the laggy glitchy sound problems in Minecraft occasionally too, I fear it might actually be my laptop dying. :(

For reference, my laptop's a HP ENVY TouchSmart 15-j051ea Notebook PC.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009


Look out boys, we got one of them PRO PROGRAMMERS in the house.

Sea Lily
Aug 5, 2007

Everything changes, Pit.
Even gods.

Peanut President posted:

It's as if all those games I listed are dead games unlike tf2.

so you're telling people to play dead games ironically or something instead of providing feedback for a game they like and want to see improve? what are you trying to tell people here

also

BillehS posted:

How is Overwatch dead when it isn't even in closed beta yet?

pgroce
Oct 24, 2002

BillehS posted:

How is Overwatch dead when it isn't even in closed beta yet?

If you want to argue about when life begins go to D&D.

bara godzilla
Jul 27, 2010


well, there it is, folks,

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




BillehS posted:

How is Overwatch dead when it isn't even in closed beta yet?

Exactly. How can we even call it alive when we can't even hold it in our hands?

Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under


RareAcumen posted:

Exactly. How can we even call it alive when we can't even hold it in our hands?


Like what are video games even?










Seriously what are they?

El Burbo
Oct 10, 2012

Life begins at alpha

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

Hihohe posted:

Like what are video games even?










Seriously what are they?

They're dead

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




the wildest rear end posted:

Life begins at alpha

Schrodinger's Access. Before we are able to play the game can it even be classified as alive or dead? We are still unable to play them. Do they fall under the same rules of unlife as Frankenstein's monster?

Hats Wouldnt Fly
Feb 9, 2010

.
Redfont is my hero.
Tonight I joined a Valve 5CP server and there were 3 or 4 decent people on both teams and then some not so good people to fill in the rest. There were no sentries at first point until necessary, there were snipers and scouts that were good enough to be infuriating, each team had a medic. It was just a spontaneous thing and I had fun.

After that, I went to a couple payload and CP servers and they were full of high ping idiots. It was awful. I told some friends it was TF2 time, we filled in both teams, and we lead our pubby squads against each other. I put some effort into creating a sense of teamwork and it became fun.

It is 1 am and there are 57,000 people playing Tf2. Tf2 Center has 400 people currently playing or looking for lobbies.

I don't really have a point except that you're all babies.

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

xzzy posted:

Look out boys, we got one of them PRO PROGRAMMERS in the house.

"a full rewrite of the game into a new engine is beyond any amount of effort they've put into the game in years." is wrong. Rewriting the game for a new engine is a ton of work but 2 bad updates doesn't erase the eight loving years valve have put into this.

Also Overwatch is dead because I hate it just like how TF2 is dead because people in this thread hate valve servers.

Anarch
Feb 22, 2011

In the midnight hour...

Peanut President posted:

It's as if all those games I listed are dead games unlike tf2.
There's always Loadout.

... oh wait.

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003
these forums are more dead than tf2

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




When the blood falls from the sky and corpses litter the trails, when the sun burns black and death has become us all, think Mann Co.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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VideoGames posted:

these forums are more dead than tf2

I've been too busy playing notorious dead game, Team Fortress 2, to post on the forums as of late. Got my first Hales Own (It's a Stock Sniper Rifle) a few days back.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Anarch posted:

There's always Loadout.

... oh wait.

What happened to that one? I haven't kept up with it.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Dr. Fetus posted:

What happened to that one? I haven't kept up with it.

The devs decided to retool what kind of game it was after the playerbase began to dwindle as happens in F2P games, but then that didn't work so they were like "ah gently caress it".

Toys For Ass Bum
Feb 1, 2015

Anarch posted:

There's always Loadout.

... oh wait.

I actually used to play loadout when I wasn't playing TF2 :smith:
https://www.loadout.com/forums/index.php?threads/australian-and-south-american-servers-were-disabled.6840/

quote:

Unfortunately, after reviewing the history of our various game servers traffic seemed that our Australia and South America servers were not seeing enough traffic to support players the ideal match, resulting in waiting times too long for matches degraded efficiency the matchmaking system.

loving BULLSHIT. The real reason they started shutting down servers was because people weren't buying anything from the in-game store.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Dr. Fetus posted:

What happened to that one? I haven't kept up with it.
They fired the PC version development team and are focusing on a PS4 port that's apparently months behind the PC build content-wise.

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug
Here is a q&a about overwatch : http://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/2y8e8p/developers_qa_including_questions_about_pay_model/
blizzard servers only, very limited modding, very limited hud customisation, player progression, game is dead rip

qnqnx
Nov 14, 2010

The Kins posted:

They fired the PC version development team and are focusing on a PS4 port that's apparently months behind the PC build content-wise.
im glad I didnt buy a single thing in there

awesmoe posted:

Here is a q&a about overwatch : http://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/2y8e8p/developers_qa_including_questions_about_pay_model/
blizzard servers only, very limited modding, very limited hud customisation, player progression, game is dead rip
lmao

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


awesmoe posted:

Here is a q&a about overwatch : http://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/2y8e8p/developers_qa_including_questions_about_pay_model/
blizzard servers only, very limited modding, very limited hud customisation, player progression, game is dead rip

quote:

Q: Is the field of vision adjustable?
A: No, the field of vision won't be adjustable. It's already fairly wide compared to some games at 80, but it's not the 120 that some players might want. The developers are keen to avoid the level of modding that's prevalent in some other games, in an attempt to provide a level playing field for experienced and inexperienced alike. The Field of Vision is also helpful for players who suffer from motion sickness, as it's considerably wider than some more problematic games.

quote:

Q: How will the game work with servers and the like?
A: The game will be run on Blizzard's servers, which players will log into. With Blizzard's history of high-population games and low latency requirements, they are confident that they will be able to offer high quality.

Incredible. :allears: Just incredible.

Elth
Jul 28, 2011

It's not a TF2 killer without mario kart and orange maps.

El Burbo
Oct 10, 2012

awesmoe posted:

Here is a q&a about overwatch : http://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/2y8e8p/developers_qa_including_questions_about_pay_model/
blizzard servers only, very limited modding, very limited hud customisation, player progression, game is dead rip

That's unfortunate

1-800-DOCTORB
Nov 6, 2009
That sounds pretty terrible but I'm not really surprised.

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Hello! I am from the future year of 2016! We are still playing the dead game of Team Fortress 2. There is still no competition. Valve's last event was underwhelming again, but hey, they keep trying.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Saoshyant posted:

Valve's last event was underwhelming again, but still better than Overwatch.

Dr. Dos
Aug 5, 2005

YAAAAAAAY!

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Incredible. :allears: Just incredible.

To be fair it's pretty dumb the number of disadvantages you'll have playing tf2 with default settings vs knowing what they're for and do. I don't think "Everybody has the same FOV" is a horrible design choice.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Elth posted:

It's not a TF2 killer without mario kart and orange maps.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Wait people actually thought that Overwatch was going to have custom HUDS and custom maps and community servers? Have they ever played any Blizzard game ever?

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Fojar38 posted:

Wait people actually thought that Overwatch was going to have custom HUDS and custom maps and community servers? Have they ever played any Blizzard game ever?

Well the entire point of modding in WoW was the HUD.

Custom maps were definitely a thing for Warcraft and Starcraft.

Zero!
Apr 13, 2011

You're gonna have to try a little harder than THAT.
I can't remember whether this was posted earlier or not but a guy on TFTV found a way to get translucent viewmodels as long as you're running DirectX9. It's unironically one of my favourite TF2 "updates" in the past year or two.



Dr. Dos posted:

To be fair it's pretty dumb the number of disadvantages you'll have playing tf2 with default settings vs knowing what they're for and do. I don't think "Everybody has the same FOV" is a horrible design choice.

Definitely agreed when it comes to network settings and stuff like that, and I guess I can get where they're coming from re: fixed viewmodel size as a balance mechanic, but FOV really should be an adjustable value. 80 isn't too bad, assuming it's being calculated a similar way to TF2, but I'd want it at least at 90 if they're going to lock it down. I mean TF2 lets you run 90 even when there's a class whose whole gimmick is sneaking up behind people so I don't see why you need to be more tunnel-visioned than that when playing Overwatch. In any case, whether they change it or not, we'll see how it plays when the beta comes out in ~6 months. I'm really looking forward to giving it a spin.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
If you want another vid on overwatch, this guy was the only "comp" player that attended the event. It's just him talking to the camera but I appreciate his opinions as some one who loves tf2 and talks about how it actually plays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-_9OWkz4EE

El Burbo
Oct 10, 2012

Jippa posted:

If you want another vid on overwatch, this guy was the only "comp" player that attended the event. It's just him talking to the camera but I appreciate his opinions as some one who loves tf2 and talks about how it actually plays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-_9OWkz4EE

That's b4nny

I'd trust what he says.

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwXsUvgxfNI
star_ says a lot of the same things as b4nny really.

e: hahah banny talking about the tf2 v dev showmatch and how he lost and "that's fine" - you KNOW that's keeping him up at night

awesmoe fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Mar 8, 2015

Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under


Is there an Overwatch Thread? Cuz there is a lot of talk about overwatch.

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

Hihohe posted:

Is there an Overwatch Thread? Cuz there is a lot of talk about overwatch.

yes but it's boring because they theorycraft about how specific class matchups will turn out when it's 6 months till closed beta

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Dr. Dos
Aug 5, 2005

YAAAAAAAY!
Sounds like the good old days of interpreting class unlocks



So he's immune to hitscan weapons, but can still be defeated by projectiles. Can he cap when he uses it? Can he shoot? What does this mean for scout vs heavy???

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