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zoux posted:We all ridiculed him for thinking that wearing glasses would trick people into thinking he was smart, and then it worked Who beyond stupid teabaggers thinks this?
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Crowsbeak posted:Who beyond stupid teabaggers thinks this? Who beyond stupid teabaggers matter in Republican primary politics?
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Mar 10, 2015 21:37
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Crowsbeak posted:Who beyond stupid teabaggers thinks this? Rick Perry. Although this is likely redundant.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:37
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a shameful boehner posted:Ah, but not just 47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wncTgMi3pWc
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Mar 10, 2015 21:38
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zoux posted:Who beyond stupid teabaggers matter in Republican primary politics? Pretty incredible there are close to 70 million voting Republicans. Probably more than that, I don't remember Romney's vote get. edit: Also yeah the tea party dominates the primaries which probably have few voters to begin with.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:38
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I look forward to "Have you signed the Cotton Letter?" being the tax cut litmus test of the coming Republican primary debates.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:41
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Actually the lesson of the 2012 GOP primary imo is that ultimately the Tea Party will tear apart its own darlings allowing the establishment to swoop in at the last minute and get their guy, but the mere fact that Rick Perry isn't being laughed out of the room everywhere he goes means his rebranding has been somewhat effective.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:41
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There's also a petition on whitehouse.gov with almost 50,000 signatures to go after the 47 under the Logan act. Nothing will happen of course but it still makes me happy to see. 
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Mar 10, 2015 21:44
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Mister Bates posted:Some people griped about the police being sent to protect the fratboys, but honestly, with the mood on campus, without a police escort there's a very real chance they would have all had the poo poo kicked out of them. People were pissed. You had the racial minorities and the progressive groups angry about the racism, and more importantly, you also had the sports people angry about embarrassing the school, which is even worse than racism as far as they're concerned. Yeah at least one OU football player was none too happy: http://youtu.be/LAL3jCnf4kI
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Mar 10, 2015 21:46
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Fix posted:I look forward to "Have you signed the Cotton Letter?" being the tax cut litmus test of the coming Republican primary debates. They'll start un-ironically calling themselves Cotton pickers.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:47
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FlamingLiberal posted:Rick Perry should always be formally referred to as 'Rick Perry, Super Genius' "Look, Dad, its Rick Perry!" "No way son, Rick Perry wears glasses. That guy isn't wearing glasses"
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Mar 10, 2015 21:48
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zoux posted:Do you think that Congress inviting foreign leaders to speak against a sitting president and promising to void deals made by that president strengthens or weakens America's position at the diplomatic table? Probably weakens it, slightly. Now, another question: why shouldn't Congress be able to do that, if it wishes? Obviously, they picked an absurd and idiotic method of doing it, a letter lawsplaining the constitutional democracy to a head of state, but it's not substantively different than any of the many speeches they've given saying they're fully opposed to the negotiations, or the bill they're drafting opposing the negotiations, or the newspaper op-eds they've written opposing the negotiations, or the ads they're running opposing the negotiations.
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Mar 10, 2015 21:57
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Yeah at least one OU football player was none too happy: This is fantastic. Edit: Joementum posted:Obviously, they picked an absurd and idiotic method of doing it, a letter lawsplaining the constitutional democracy to a head of state, but it's not substantively different than any of the many speeches they've given saying they're fully opposed to the negotiations, or the bill they're drafting opposing the negotiations, or the newspaper op-eds they've written opposing the negotiations, or the ads they're running opposing the negotiations. eNeMeE fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Mar 10, 2015 21:59
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Joementum posted:Probably weakens it, slightly. Now, another question: why shouldn't Congress be able to do that, if it wishes? I'd say it goes back to the old maxim that "politics stops at the water's edge". It's one thing for politicians to give speeches about foreign policy aimed at their own constituents, but quite another for them to directly address a foreign leader and say "hey, nice negotiations you've got going here, shame if something were to happen to them".
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Mar 10, 2015 22:03
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DaveWoo posted:I'd say it goes back to the old maxim that "politics stops at the water's edge". It's one thing for politicians to give speeches about foreign policy aimed at their own constituents, but quite another for them to directly address a foreign leader and say "hey, nice negotiations you've got going here, shame if something were to happen to them".  if you think the Greatest Show on Earth, the farce that is American Politics can be bounded by mortal and earthly constraints like borders and foreign sovereignity
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a shameful boehner posted:There's also a petition on whitehouse.gov with almost 50,000 signatures to go after the 47 under the Logan act. Yea I signed it earlier today and since then it has gained about 20,000 sigs, nothing will come of it but if it makes more people aware of what in the hell is going on I'm all for it
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Mar 10, 2015 22:06
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Joementum posted:Probably weakens it, slightly. Now, another question: why shouldn't Congress be able to do that, if it wishes? No, I'd argue it is. There is a lot of form and protocol to formal international relations, and actually addressing a letter to a foreign government is different than political rhetoric at home. As for whether Congress should or not, I think as a matter of practicality it's important that other nations hear a singular message that is consistent from the US and it has traditionally been the executive branch that heads that up for a reason.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:08
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Joementum posted:Probably weakens it, slightly. Now, another question: why shouldn't Congress be able to do that, if it wishes? Gotta disagree (with strengthen vs weaken, not congress doing this, on the latter I'm with Brian Beutler) I'd say it strengthens the chance of a deal. As the Iranian minister pointed out, this is a deal with the P5+1. Which means that even if the U.S. decides that the executive agreement means nothing and wants to go hard, the others are still bound by international law, and will be highly unlikely to join in. By signaling this is their intent should a Republican win the presidency, it tells Iran to take the deal now, don't walk away, that way it is much harder for the others to go back on it later. That's the thing the GOP forgot about trying to play bad cop to Obama's good cop - the exercise ends with the person taking the good cop's deal.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:09
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Just loving arrest the Congressional Republicans under the Logan Act, suspend elections and fix the drat country already Obama. He can assume the title of Caliph too, and use that leverage to reign in ISIS
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Mar 10, 2015 22:09
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icantfindaname posted:
Once upon a time I think it was probably the case. Except Joe will be along momentarily to tell us all the times this poo poo has been done before.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:10
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icantfindaname posted:Just loving arrest the Congressional Republicans under the Logan Act, suspend elections and fix the drat country already Obama. He can assume the title of Caliph too, and use that leverage to reign in ISIS Finally, we can realize our collective dream of joining Obama's Brownshirts Brigades and putting MIGF up against the wall.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:13
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zoux posted:No, I'd argue it is. There is a lot of form and protocol to formal international relations, and actually addressing a letter to a foreign government is different than political rhetoric at home. I'll agree that a formal letter skirts the line a bit, but I think it's clear that the Iranians are smarter than Tom Cotton and have read the bits of our Constitution that point out the Senate has no actual ability to make formal agreements with foreign governments (in fact, the Senate doesn't even ratify treaties, it advises and consents to have the President ratify them) and they can, therefore, ignore him. I just don't have much of an issue with Congress speaking out against policies it doesn't like.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:16
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Joementum posted:I'll agree that a formal letter skirts the line a bit, but I think it's clear that the Iranians are smarter than Tom Cotton and have read the bits of our Constitution that point out the Senate has no actual ability to make formal agreements with foreign governments (in fact, the Senate doesn't even ratify treaties, it advises and consents to have the President ratify them) and they can, therefore, ignore him. I'm not terribly concerned that this Cotton letter is going to collapse American foreign policy, but I am a bit worried about the trend, since this is the second major breach of diplomatic protocol and tradition that Congress has committed in as many weeks.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:20
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Joementum posted:I'll agree that a formal letter skirts the line a bit, but I think it's clear that the Iranians are smarter than Tom Cotton and have read the bits of our Constitution that point out the Senate has no actual ability to make formal agreements with foreign governments (in fact, the Senate doesn't even ratify treaties, it advises and consents to have the President ratify them) and they can, therefore, ignore him. Because that sounds Articles of Confederationy and that thing blew rear end.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:21
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a shameful boehner posted:Finally, we can realize our collective dream of joining Obama's Brownshirts Brigades and putting MIGF up against the wall. You make it sound like a bad thing.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:22
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icantfindaname posted:Just loving arrest the Congressional Republicans under the Logan Act, suspend elections and fix the drat country already Obama. He can assume the title of Caliph too, and use that leverage to reign in ISIS Also open up the FEMA camps, and invite the UN to bring order.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:22
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Charging them under the Logan Act would get nowhere and only allow them to play their beloved victim card and scream "SEE! HE IS A TYRANT!" Just letting them look like morons to everyone is sufficient, albeit at the cost of showing the world once again that yes, American politics really are that dumb.
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Nonsense posted:Because that sounds Articles of Confederationy and that thing blew rear end. Except not at all because Congress is part of a federal government as has no power to negotiate with other countries, just an advisory role.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:24
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icantfindaname posted:Just loving arrest the Congressional Republicans under the Logan Act, suspend elections and fix the drat country already Obama. He can assume the title of Caliph too, and use that leverage to reign in ISIS there was once a dream that was LF~
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Mar 10, 2015 22:25
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the dream of lf is alive in congress
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Mar 10, 2015 22:27
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a shameful boehner posted:Finally, we can realize our collective dream of joining Obama's Brownshirts Brigades and putting MIGF up against the wall. Are we married to being brown shirts? I thought we agreed on refractive light shirts.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:28
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Quote of the day, "There are two important things you did not hear from any of today's Republican speaker. One is a commitment to collective bargaining. [standing ovation] The second is a commitment to funding public safety." ~ Martin O'Malley, to the International Association of Fire Fighters.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:30
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Joementum posted:I just don't have much of an issue with Congress speaking out against policies it doesn't like. But this isn't speaking out against a specific deal. This is speaking out against any deal. You know as well as I do that the 47 Senators, and anyone else attached to that letter, have absolutely no interest in negotiating with Iran. They view it as a rogue state run by irrational actors. They view a nuclear Iran as not simply an undesirable complication to the geopolitical situation, but as an existential threat. Just like Netanyahu, they view an American-led war against Iran as not just an acceptable outcome, but a desirable one. This is not a political disagreement being voiced. This is an active attempt, however childish and ineffective it may be, to undermine peace negotiations between the President of the United States and a foreign Head of State. For these past six years we have seen inexcusable obstructionism and undermining of executive authority in the name of Checks and Balances that has been unprecedented in our modern history. This right here is as good a hill as any to take a stand on. Because the longer we take it the longer it will take us to climb out of the hole we have been tumbling down. Am I wrong?
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Mar 10, 2015 22:32
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zoux posted:I'm not terribly concerned that this Cotton letter is going to collapse American foreign policy, but I am a bit worried about the trend, since this is the second major breach of diplomatic protocol and tradition that Congress has committed in as many weeks. American foreign policy has been a cartoonish farce for literal decades, hth
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Mar 10, 2015 22:34
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Am I wrong? Not at all. Their objection is absolute, counter-productive, and idiotic.
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How are u posted:there was once a dream that was LF~ i still believe
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Mar 10, 2015 22:35
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icantfindaname posted:American foreign policy has been a cartoonish farce for literal decades, hth A cartoonish farce that has killed hundreds of thousands to millions of civilian though. 
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A Winner is Jew posted:A cartoonish farce that has killed hundreds of thousands to millions of civilian though. #BetterCivics is what conservatives believe millennials need to be taught about this issue. This Congress has already surpassed 1996 and 2004 in its sheer stupidity and hubris. The fact that any kind of improvement on an already farcical foreign policy can be scuttled and this is 'constitutional' can go blow rear end, it's time to right wrongs.
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Mar 10, 2015 22:48
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The Senate just adopted a resolution calling for an investigation into the death of Boris Nemtsov. Too far?
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Crosspost from the pic thread, but relevant and (I think) funny enough to post here re: Sen. Cotton's letter:
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