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King Vidiot posted:Maybe the reason I have no complaints with HM2 is that I never got good at the first game. The first time I played it was around release time, and through a combination of poor optimization and my low-end video card I cheesed my way through it thinking I was awesome at the game. I'd regularly get A or A+, occasionally B, and thought I was playing it as intended. It turned out that the game was running at like a 1/3rd of the speed it should've been at the entire time, so I basically beat the game in slow-mo. Second playthrough was after a computer upgrade but before the new engine, so it was a little tougher but not bad. Then I put it away until like a few months ago, and I've been sucking ever since. I'm making my way through the new one fine but I'm getting D rankings. A lot. But I'm still having fun with the game because dying isn't punishing, you can reload in a second and start again a-la Super Meat Boy. Or with how the randomized AI works, nobody pays attention to you blasting a guy right in front of them except for a guy on the other side of the level who blindsides you with a shotgun snipe through a window.  Some dumb idiot fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Der Shovel posted:Finished the game. I don't want to play it again. Like, ever. And I've completed Hotline Miami four or five times on various platforms. This just wasn't fun. Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Whoever said it was like making a ROMHack of a game was spot on. Sure, you've made Mega Man or whatever harder and more precise but you've also sucked a lot of the soul out of it.
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Mar 11, 2015 14:07
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The entire design of the game is so at odds with HM1, save for the visuals and audio. Enemy placements, level design, the jumping around in the story... It feels like the devs weren't aware of what made HM1 good. I don't regret playing it, but it's not an impactful sequel. It's not even "more of the same", it's "more of the same, but worse". And jesus, gently caress that mouse acceleration.
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Mar 11, 2015 14:08
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The AI ain't that randomized at all, actually. If a guy that's close to you doesn't hear gunshots, it's because he was programmed to be deaf.
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Mar 11, 2015 14:08
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How do I beat the Swans when I'm tripping balls. Tried attacking each head, the body, throwing the axe. Tried running away, but I just get shot. Ok, so you kill the first head by waiting for the mouth open, but the other one is always miles away by the point? Just did it. No idea what I did differently but the "gun" head only shot 3 rounds that time instead of its usual 6 million Diesel Fucker fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Mar 11, 2015 14:09
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Ledgy posted:The AI ain't that randomized at all, actually. If a guy that's close to you doesn't hear gunshots, it's because he was programmed to be deaf. Waiting for the level editor to be released so we can find out that there are actually flags for enemy sight and hearing radius. Or stuff like "has headphones on" or "is nearsighted", "not a team player" or even "just doesn't give a poo poo". edit: Actually for the first game, didn't Jonaton or Dennis reveal that some of the AIs are programmed to stay totally in place and not respond to sounds? That's probably it right there. King Vidiot fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Mar 11, 2015 14:12
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King Vidiot posted:Waiting for the level editor to be released so we can find out that there are actually flags for enemy sight and hearing radius. Or stuff like "has headphones on" or "is nearsighted", "not a team player" or even "just doesn't give a poo poo". Some are designed to never leave their post or their path unless they see you, in which case they'll give chase but if you lose them they'll return to their post. Which is pretty dope. Skunkrocker fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Mar 11, 2015 14:26
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The hit detection around doors and corners feels even worse than the first game somehow.
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Mar 11, 2015 14:33
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ultra fast bugged prisoners on crack running through doors and corners were not fun in the least.
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Mar 11, 2015 14:34
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Someone will probably make an argument for Hotline Miami 2 on the basis that it's some sort of satire on Hollywood sequels, especially the ones from the era that the game is set upon... but I ain't the one, cause this game is hella dumb, more often than not I'll just rip the soundtrack off it
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King Vidiot posted:edit: Actually for the first game, didn't Jonaton or Dennis reveal that some of the AIs are programmed to stay totally in place and not respond to sounds? That's probably it right there. They did, that's why I said that. Some guys just won't budge unless they see you. Wild Horses posted:ultra fast bugged prisoners on crack running through doors and corners were not fun in the least. They're basically reskinned dogs, man. Bait one out, run for a police baton and put him down. You can even slow them by shooting at them. Ledgy fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Mar 11, 2015 14:45
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Ledgy posted:They're basically reskinned dogs, man. Bait one out, run for a police baton and put him down. You can even slow them by shooting at them. Incorrect. They throw a wrench in the works with their design; literally, you have to throw and hit them with something first before they can be killed. They duck if you shoot them and if you try to hit them before you throw something at them they'll ignore you and squish yer head. Going back into the fray, wish me luck.
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Honest Thief posted:Someone will probably make an argument for Hotline Miami 2 on the basis that it's some sort of satire on Hollywood sequels, especially the ones from the era that the game is set upon... but I ain't the one, cause this game is hella dumb, more often than not It's the Gremlins 2 to Gremlins except Gremlins 2 was fun.
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Skunkrocker posted:Incorrect. They throw a wrench in the works with their design; literally, you have to throw and hit them with something first before they can be killed. They duck if you shoot them and if you try to hit them before you throw something at them they'll ignore you and squish yer head. You don't need to throw something at them. Regular melee works fine if you time it right (not sure about punches). Obviously though that timing is a bit of a bitch to get.
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Honest Thief posted:Someone will probably make an argument for Hotline Miami 2 on the basis that it's some sort of satire on Hollywood sequels, especially the ones from the era that the game is set upon... but I ain't the one, cause this game is hella dumb, more often than not The weird thing is that it's actually getting really good reviews, this thread is the only place I've seen any real negativity I finished it last night and was really just kinda disappointed overall. I'll play through on hard and hope it's maybe more fun a second time through. Like I replayed the first one probably 10+ times but I can't really see that happening here, it just felt like a slog
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Mar 11, 2015 14:56
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It's not a horrible game by any means, but it feels inferior to it's predecessor. Mainly because of the level design, and that really doesn't become that apparent until later in the game.
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Mar 11, 2015 14:58
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Just marathoned it and I gotta say, not sure why everyone's been having so much difficulty. The power plant especially, if you're not abusing the ridiculousness that is the sniper rifle for the big guys, then just baiting the normal guys then you should be. Also, too much 
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Argh, who decided that an automatic, lengthy dog killing animation should leave you vulnerable.
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Skunkrocker posted:Incorrect. They throw a wrench in the works with their design; literally, you have to throw and hit them with something first before they can be killed. They duck if you shoot them and if you try to hit them before you throw something at them they'll ignore you and squish yer head. Really ? I've been able to melee them fine. Their attacks really remind me of dogs, they have more range than your standard goon. If you don't swing the baton soon enough they'll get you, that's for sure. Edit: I didn't know you could just punch them, but in this game you don't really have time to execute guys.
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Help Im Alive posted:The weird thing is that it's actually getting really good reviews, this thread is the only place I've seen any real negativity Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Mar 11, 2015 14:59
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The game is good, it's hard but good, not always fair but good  Edit: Also, an update just dropped ?
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Mar 11, 2015 15:02
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What was the song from the bank heist? That poo poo was great and somehow I can't find it.
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Ledgy posted:The game is good, it's hard but good, not always fair but good Yeah this is my impression too, people are just backlashing pretty hard. Maybe it'll get worse as it goes, like everybody's saying? I'm taking the game in bite-sized chunks, rather than having pulled an all-nighter and played it in one sitting. Also I think people are putting the first game up on a pedestal. It was pretty great, but it wasn't a Perfect Flawless Masterpiece and neither is this one. But this one's still really good.
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Really confused which Hotline Miami everyone played because getting shot offscreen and manipulating AI to run in straight lines into doors to take them out one by one was like 90% of the first game
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Yardbomb posted:What was the song from the bank heist? That poo poo was great and somehow I can't find it. Acid Spit by Mega drive. The level select screen has the music details for every level.
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King Vidiot posted:Yeah this is my impression too, people are just backlashing pretty hard. Maybe it'll get worse as it goes, like everybody's saying? I'm taking the game in bite-sized chunks, rather than having pulled an all-nighter and played it in one sitting. I don't hold the first game up on a pedestal (outside of the soundtrack), so that actually makes 2 seem worse since it's more of what I didn't like about the first game. Also it's easy to excuse the first game's flaws because it was a new, weird thing, and not a largely identical sequel that ultimately doesn't add much of anything to the table. It doesn't even fix most of the first game's problems.
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Accordion Man posted:The release day hype is still in effect, I guarantee that in a couple of months people won't be looking back at this game very fondly, though it will still have its fans (Which honestly eludes me) 
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i think most people are just upset that it's not literally HLM1 but new levels, which would have been nice as a DLC but is not what i was expecting out of a sequel.
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Mar 11, 2015 15:25
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I'm confused by all of the negativity too Maybe it's because I only played Hotline Miami for the first time last week and I didn't have to wait for years to play the sequel but I'm really enjoying it so far. I'm only on chapter 8, so maybe I'll change my mind later.
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Mar 11, 2015 15:27
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Chapter 11 is when the emphasis on larger levels, and how that hurts the flow, really starts to kick in.
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Larry Parrish posted:i think most people are just upset that it's not literally HLM1 but new levels, which would have been nice as a DLC but is not what i was expecting out of a sequel. That's basically what it is, though? It totally feels like a Lost Levels-type expansion and not a new game that actually learned and evolved from its predecessor.
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Larry Parrish posted:i think most people are just upset that it's not literally HLM1 but new levels, which would have been nice as a DLC but is not what i was expecting out of a sequel. People are upset because it's a sequel that brings nothing worthwhile to the table and a whole heap of stuff nobody wanted. Nobody wanted to have their character choices limited by stage. Nobody wanted more sprawling levels filled with one-hit kill shotguns. Nobody wanted a non-lethal option. HM2 wants to be story-focused and the plot was bar none the least important aspect of this series. What mattered was obliterating men with a variety of weapons to acid-laced techno music. Even the weapon variety's been hacked down.
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Oxxidation posted:Nobody wanted a non-lethal option. I got a pretty big kick out of giving the writer a proper Hotline Miami thirst for blood though 
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I love lots of things about this game, but some of the levels are draining my enthusiasm.
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People complaining about the nonlethal levels confuse me because other than not using guns nothing is different about them and normal levels.
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Oxxidation posted:People are upset because it's a sequel that brings nothing worthwhile to the table and a whole heap of stuff nobody wanted. Nobody wanted to have their character choices limited by stage. Nobody wanted more sprawling levels filled with one-hit kill shotguns. Nobody wanted a non-lethal option. Except for the fact that all the new stuff rules. Why are you complaining about a non-lethal section when it plays in exactly the same way, just with less red everywhere?
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The game isn't particularly clear that you can go non-lethal with "executions" or that baseball bats fall outside the domain of lethal.
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I really like the non-lethal stuff, I just can't stand the open levels and the huge amount of windows.
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I liked the writer levels, because at least those were balanced around not using guns.
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Oxxidation posted:People are upset because it's a sequel that brings nothing worthwhile to the table and a whole heap of stuff nobody wanted. Nobody wanted to have their character choices limited by stage. Nobody wanted more sprawling levels filled with one-hit kill shotguns. Nobody wanted a non-lethal option. I liked every level immensely so far and the reason it feels harder and more frustrating is because gameplay chunks that used to be one floor long are now about a quarter of a floor, so if you gently caress up you have more stuff to do which is a little annoying but that's OK. Also I've actually read all the 'plot' so far and it's basically all the same length as the HL1 plot bits except with slightly more walking. Also, there's technically less variety but it hardly matters because more than half the weapons in HLM1 were just reskins of the bat or the knife or whatever. On top of all that, having, uh, 'enforced' character gimmicks just makes the levels feel more tightly designed, IMO. On top of that no matter which mask I picked in HLM1 it hardly seemed to ever make a difference unless it was Tony or the faster movement ones.
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